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Frazzled wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I like this idea of scientific research on imaginary things. It doesn't make it not imaginary though. Still fake, still doesn't adhere to any rules.

Bit like Creationism then.

Or climate studies, or economics.

What makes it funny is that Frazz is wrong but picking what he knows are polarizing subjects politically, not academically or practically.

If in doubt, go for a joyride in a combine harvester.

See if they survive that.

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I like this idea of scientific research on imaginary things. It doesn't make it not imaginary though. Still fake, still doesn't adhere to any rules.

Bit like Creationism then.

Or climate studies, or economics.

What makes it funny is that Frazz is wrong but picking what he knows are polarizing subjects politically, not academically or practically.

Wo! Way too serious on a thread about...Zombies...

Besides you ever looked at the "science" behind economic theories.


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Mr Mystery wrote:If in doubt, go for a joyride in a combine harvester.

See if they survive that.

Now there's a man who's going to make it to the semi finals of the Zombie games for sure.

Frazzled wrote:Besides you ever looked at the "science" behind economic theories.

Besides not being a science, yes. It is a combination of mathematics and humanities.

Don't forget to reverse over the remains just to make sure.

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Besides you ever looked at the "science" behind economic theories.

Besides not being a science, yes. It is a combination of mathematics and humanities.

I think you can only reference a Rodney Dangerfield movie once per day and you already did that. I'm calling the cops.

Ahtman wrote:I think you can only reference a Rodney Dangerfield movie once per day and you already did that. I'm calling the cops.

Wait, I did?

Mia Culpa. Here, I'll reference one of my favorite films.

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I think you can only reference a Rodney Dangerfield movie once per day and you already did that. I'm calling the cops.

Wait, I did?

Mia Culpa. Here, I'll reference one of my favorite films.

The "where do we go kids?" "the house of pain" bit is from Easy Money.

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I think you can only reference a Rodney Dangerfield movie once per day and you already did that. I'm calling the cops.

Wait, I did?

Mia Culpa. Here, I'll reference one of my favorite films.

The "where do we go kids?" "the house of pain" bit is from Easy Money.

You mean Island of Doctor Moreau?

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I think you can only reference a Rodney Dangerfield movie once per day and you already did that. I'm calling the cops.

Wait, I did?

Mia Culpa. Here, I'll reference one of my favorite films.

The "where do we go kids?" "the house of pain" bit is from Easy Money.

You mean Island of Doctor Moreau?

That line was in Easy Money to, what an odd reference lol.

Agreed, interesting that.

My personal anti-zombie weapon of choice. (Also works for clearing sunbathers from beaches, queue management and removing Eva Longoria Parker's makeup)

yea baby yea!

yea baby yea!

+1 With a crab mine flail, the question about whether a Zombie can be killed by a headshot or not is totally irrelevant. Those things are the incarnation of "no saves whatsoever apply".

Ah yes! The Zom-B-Gone 2000 from Mystery Industries!


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Why not ask about our range of optional extras?

I got the Dead Rising 2 limited edition, so I'm covered in case of infection. Well, for a day at least. Should give me enough time to get to tha choppa before making a heroic last stand.

The Dreadnote wrote:I got the Dead Rising 2 limited edition, so I'm covered in case of infection. Well, for a day at least. Should give me enough time to get to tha choppa before making a heroic last stand.

+1

sexiest_hero wrote:I'm sitting with my film school alum and friends, and the topic comes to zombie films. My favorite films are night of the living dead and return of the living dead. In both movies, zombies had the basic motor skills to wield basic rocks and turn knobs. However Return of the living dead Did something that hasn't been repeated, Head shots not killing zombies. I think that most zombie flicks fail because the zombies are so easy to take down they devolve into either mow them down action flicks, or somebody making an unrealistic stupid mistake. There is no horror, just pop out scares. If you are in a room with 5 zombies and a gun, as it stands, you should be fine. How what if you had to deal with one zombie, and your gun doesn't mean anything. that's where the horror lies. My buddies would have non of it. Zombies have to die when you head shot them, I was told. They don't in fantasy settings, and the return series, and I don't think they have to be now. I think the action is over and the horror starts when you blast a zombie right between the eyes, and he just sits back up. Thoughts?

It's truthfully a lot harder to head shot a moving target that people think. Even though the typical movie zombie is slow and uncoordinated,they move in a herky jerky pattern that can make things difficult. On top of it all,the prospect of your impending zombiefication is going to generate an adrenaline rush which can make your hands quite shaky. Plus,you have to put the bullet into or through the brain matter. Glancing shots that ring off the side of the skull are worthless. If you're in a typical room with a 6 shot revolver and 5 zombies between you and the door advancing on you,you're in real trouble. You've got 6 shots,and 5 of them have to count. Miss twice,and you're done. Don't cap that nearest zombie quickly enough and your done,too.

Only one of them will have to count if you want to avoid death by zombie. If your hand shakes you can steady the barrel with your teeth.

er....OK. So if the only way to kill one is a head shot, what happens if you set them on fire? Do they "live" until they are consumed by the flames?

What about if you cut one in half, does the part with the head still survive?

You get zombies on fire

You could have zombies that don't die from headshots by making it a virus that takes over the whole body, having a low form of sentience that doesn't rely on the human host at all. It is possible without being magic, and it'd be as believable as any other zombie explanation.

Whether or not people would accept this would depend on how well you work the idea. I could see a pretty decent horror movie being made out of a few zombies that take all kinds of horrific wounds, beheaded, cut in half and worse, where each piece just keeps coming...

Terminator style. I like this.

Herbert West: Re-animator?

snurl wrote:er....OK. So if the only way to kill one is a head shot, what happens if you set them on fire? Do they "live" until they are consumed by the flames?

What about if you cut one in half, does the part with the head still survive?

Yep. Flaming zombies are a dangerous hazard. As for bisection, legless zombie torsos have still been known to attack. I think your safest bet is to separate the head from the heart.

Monster Rain, are you telling me that your suspension of disebelief doesn't allow for zombies that can be killed, but allows zombies that are unkillable?

Seriously though the 'scientific research' done on zombies is loosely based on human physiology itself. The thing with zombies though is that they aren't necessarily 100% like humans.

In fact I believe that the 'scientific' explanation for zombies is the fact that they don't have much of a metabolism. No pumping blood, just electrical impulses created by something. This something is usually a virus or some other form of biological species.

We all know that muscles spasm when hit with electricity in spite of the fact that there is no signal from the brain to cause it to spasm. The virus or what have you usually controls the brain and gradually destroys it and relegates thought to the basic needs of the virus, food.

Now there is little metabollism in a zombie which explains their shuffling gait, or as I call it a 'crip walk'. Low metabolism means slow movement and slow digestion, in fact I believe Max Brooks says that zombies have no digestive system at all(seeing as though the gastric juices are no longer flowing thanks to a destroyed autonomic nervous system) and the stuff that the zombie eats actually just decays and helps nourish the virus inside of the body which helps with the suspended reanimation.

So, zombies are not actually their own sentient beings, but a tool for a very witty and crafty virus or biological miscreant. After all, everyone knows that a successful virus can infect a host and keep said host alive for as long as it is needed.(Bad viruses are the ones that kill the host before the host can infect others).

Now to muscle movement, we have two very nice types of exercise available to us; aerobic and anaerobic. The main difference being that one uses oxygen and the other does not, that being said zombies could very well be using an anaerobic process to move their muscles, we do it all the time when we run and lift weights. Unfortunately for us we build up lactic acid and start to feel pain, zombies don't feel pain though. Also, I doubt that zombies would build up lactic acid in the first place seeing as though the virus/biological form would find a way to supplement the zombie's muscle movement by providing some sort of nourishment back to it.

In terms of the degradation of the human flesh, it should decay faster seeing as though its exposed to the elements and going under continuous wear and tear. I don't agree with the whole 'zombies last forever' thing.

Yes Monster, my suspension of disbelief doesn't allow for zombies that last forever but allows decaying zombies.

As far as magic zombies go, the writers were lazy.

I believe many of us are aware of the saying, "It's magic I don't have to explain gak.".

halonachos wrote:Monster Rain, are you telling me that your suspension of disebelief doesn't allow for zombies that can be killed, but allows zombies that are unkillable?.

I'm saying that it allows for both, because they're imaginary.

Saying one type is more "real" than the other is patently illogical. Considering the guy who invented the genre had these alleged "Magical Zombies" I really don't see what the problem is.

Get me some bearded zombies and watch the fun! warone would scream like a girl and run a mile! the bigger the beard the harder to kill!