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Arschbombe wrote:

Ouze wrote:
the next Land Raider variant: the Land Raider Zeus. 15 AV all around, immune to weapons, Can deep strike, counts as troops for capturing objectives, sponson mounted railguns, main weapon shoots Terminators which count as assault and get +3 attacks, 220 points.

That sounds awesome! Can Blood Angels take that one?

i suspect they will due to an impromptu alliance with the tau to get access to the railguns. :0

No doubt....god forbid a xenos army have something better than the SM.

Arschbombe wrote:

Ouze wrote:
the next Land Raider variant: the Land Raider Zeus. 15 AV all around, immune to weapons, Can deep strike, counts as troops for capturing objectives, sponson mounted railguns, main weapon shoots Terminators which count as assault and get +3 attacks, 220 points.

That sounds awesome! Can Blood Angels take that one?

No.

Aw, C'mon. And put a Blood Jacuzzi on it so the whole army gets FC and FNP.

warboss wrote:what does he have mounted on the top? are those the HK missles? i thought the dread could only get two (hence the two they supply with the normal ironclad kit).

edit: hmmm. i see the traditional HK missles inbetween the two smaller double pods. is that a new FW ironclad variant?

I think they're Frag Launchers, or something like that.

The Achilles can join the ranks of the Helios as one of the most confused tanks in the game. It has guns that need to be at 12" to be effective... but has a 60" siege weapon... yet can carry troops... but can't really fire its guns if it moves the troops into position... and the troops can't assault out of it as it lacks the frontal ramp.

All for three-hundred points.

Oh God what a mess...


Nice model though. Interesting to see it painted in the Minotaur colour-scheme.

Yeah, it is a bit gak, isn't it. Then again, GW has always followed the Cyberpunk golden rule, "Style before substance". I like that even their writers couldn't think of any scenario where this mongrel tank would be useful, handily saying that it was designed to counter a threat nobody remembers anymore.

Its a pillbox with arty that sits on an objective with troops in it.
That's not too confused.

When the enemy moves up with their mech+troops, you shoot it with the sponsons.

It is expensive though.

I was thinking use the Thunderfire shells to lock the enemy units down while driving forward (at full speed thanks to the machine spirit) to use the bunker busters on the sponsons?

Makes some sense if you imagine needing to break past a bastion line or some such, plus it can weather the fire of the defenders better then almost anything. No fear of getting up close and melta-y like normal land raiders either.

Jack

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Achilles can join the ranks of the Helios as one of the most confused tanks in the game. It has guns that need to be at 12" to be effective... but has a 60" siege weapon... yet can carry troops... but can't really fire its guns if it moves the troops into position... and the troops can't assault out of it as it lacks the frontal ramp.

It is a bit odd. But not if you think of it as some kind of Razorback-esque Fire Support vehicle for an Assault or Tactical Squad in a cityfight.

Dysartes wrote:I find it interesting that the only SM variant not allowed it are the Blood Angels.....

That's cause they'd deep-strike the f***er!

Otherwise I think it's a nice looking model with some funky rules. I don't mind the mixed weaponry, transport capacity or cost, it's that they gave the freakin' thing living metal! Jesus. It's not so much a powerful in-game model, just VERY tough and not the kind of thing you want to go anywhere near.

Then again, since when was the point of FW it's rules? We all love 'em for their lovely models. Which they've just produced. Less whining, more drooling I say.

It's immune to lance and melta.
Attacks get -1 on the damage table.
Even if it can't transport your hammernators, it's not bad.

I love the Ironclad. Very much. And the Hurricane Bolter arm. And the I like the seismic hammer OK.

The only thing I don't like about that Ironclad is the busy mess up top with the HK, Frag Assault Launchers & Auto-Launchers. It's too many little mini-launchers sitting up top.

The rest is ace though.

I don't know why, but I can just see Sgt. Slaughter sticking out of the top of that Achilles, screaming at the top of his lungs while bearing down on Cobra...or the Iron Sheik

ancient electromagnetic algorithms

Do they even know what the hell they're printing? I've not seen technobabble like this since Star Trek Voyager.

Breotan wrote:

ancient electromagnetic algorithms

Do they even know what the hell they're printing? I've not seen technobabble like this since Star Trek Voyager.

Umm. Have you read any 40k fluff before? This is exactly the kind of thing the AM would say because... wait for it... they don't understand any of the technology they use.

I'm surprised it didn't say Ancient Machine Spirit Droppings were smeared on the ceramite in an effort to keep the magic blue smoke from escaping from the hull.

pretre wrote:

Breotan wrote:

ancient electromagnetic algorithms

Do they even know what the hell they're printing? I've not seen technobabble like this since Star Trek Voyager.

Umm. Have you read any 40k fluff before? This is exactly the kind of thing the AM would say because... wait for it... they don't understand any of the technology they use.

I'm surprised it didn't say Ancient Machine Spirit Droppings were smeared on the ceramite in an effort to keep the magic blue smoke from escaping from the hull.

My favorite is still the ceremonial striking of the view-monitor in the name of the Omnisiah in order to quell the static spirits.

That was in an actual fluff piece, though I know I have the wording off.

Scottywan82 wrote:My favorite is still the ceremonial striking of the view-monitor in the name of the Omnisiah in order to quell the static spirits.

That was in an actual fluff piece, though I know I have the wording off.

It was in one of the 2nd Edition books - either the Wargear book or Codex Imperialis, IIRC.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Nice model though. Interesting to see it painted in the Minotaur colour-scheme.

That is what caught my eye - the paint scheme. Last time we saw a strange, somewhat unfamiliar color scheme, it was heralding the Astral Claws new colors. Is this going to be the new Minotaurs color scheme? Most likely given the symbol on it. Thankfully, that means they retired that godawful abomination GW has for them - yellow/red stripes. Hideous!

Also, did anyone else catch the part about reducing (or subtracting) by -1? So that would be: (Result) - (-1)? So, (Result) + 1?

What really gets me about the achilles is that it can actually fire all its weapons if it moves 6" or less.

How???

Well the thunder fire cannon can be fired as a defensive weapon with its tremor shot at strength 4. Then you have one multi melta normally and one using the machine spirit!

The only problem with this is that if you wanted to do any damage with those strength 4 blast shots from the thunder fire cannon you would have to aim at infantry which means you would probably be wasting the non-machine spirit melta shot.

Ouze wrote:I just looked at those rules. Unbelievable. Only forge world could take a 250 point vehicle, add in a 100pt artillery vehicle, a pair of 15 point multi meltas, and make them twin-linked, 15 points for extra armor (so, a 250 point tank with 150 points of wargear), give it immunity to meltas (!!), and reduce all other damage by 1, and call it 300 points. That's just, for lack of a better word, [MOD EDIT - Family Friendly, yes?] Why don't you just give it a Deathstrike missile for 20 points, too?

I thought the Necron Tomb Stalker was kind of overpowered - now I'll have no problem convincing my friends it isn't, just show them this.

They overpower the test rules everytime.
The plague Hulk was terribly good in the test rules, it's pretty balanced now, that's just one of many.
Sometimes they stay unbalanced but still less than test rules.

Ouze wrote:I just looked at those rules. Unbelievable. Only forge world could take a 250 point vehicle, add in a 100pt artillery vehicle, a pair of 15 point multi meltas, and make them twin-linked, 15 points for extra armor (so, a 250 point tank with 150 points of wargear), give it immunity to meltas (!!), and reduce all other damage by 1, and call it 300 points. That's just, for lack of a better word, [MOD EDIT - Family Friendly, yes?] Why don't you just give it a Deathstrike missile for 20 points, too?

I thought the Necron Tomb Stalker was kind of overpowered - now I'll have no problem convincing my friends it isn't, just show them this.

...doesn't this rather ignore taking away the two twin lascannon (which I'd rather have) the twin heavy bolter, the capacity to take another multi-melta (not optioned) ..and the transport capacity and assault ramp? (the latter being the Land Raider's biggest asset coupled with its survivability)?, or the whole techmarine you usualy get with the thunderfire? I think the points are still pretty reasonable, if not a little much given its diversified (but reduced) firepower

To be honest, i don't see the problem with this, in fact I think its rather cool, its a varient which is actually a variant rather than that same thing, different gun, it does something else, and I'm not sure I buy the 'muddled' thing either, its clearly a 'forlorn hope' vehicle for an assault, the great big bullet magnet that gets the rest of the force there, built to survive, the thunderfire for supporting fire and keeping the heads of enemy infantry down and the multi-meltas for close in tank/bunker busting ...oh and if your are relying on rinse and repeat meltas, yes you are in trouble i agree, but i don't see killing it as 'impossible' just difficult otherwise for any army, which would apear to be the point.

My opinon tis all, but i like it

TBH i like the dread but the LR.....meh, it just doesnt have that wow factor, just like the storm raven, its not bad, but could have been better.

just my 2 cents. ( first post WOOT )

Dysartes wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:My favorite is still the ceremonial striking of the view-monitor in the name of the Omnisiah in order to quell the static spirits.

That was in an actual fluff piece, though I know I have the wording off.

It was in one of the 2nd Edition books - either the Wargear book or Codex Imperialis, IIRC.

I thought it was in a bit in White Dwarf. Honestly though, too long ago, lol.

Really FW? I guess its acceptable for FW to put out crazy units like this but...really? I dont know what else to say...

And remember, if anyone buys this horrible model and wants to use it in game, you have to let them or you're a WAAC TFG who is killing the hobby.

Well the dread looks ace... Tempting, very tempting.

The Landraider, well, it would almost be worth fielding one to see the look on your opponents face. I agree though it's a little bit wacko, I mean immune to melta and lance... Your going to need a whole boatload of railguns or lascannons to even stand a chance of scratching the paintwork.

Also what happens if you include the green marine staple Vulcan? - Quad linked MM's for the win...

An here I was getting all set to buy the Iron Warriors dreadnought and they come out with this, damn you Forge World for fueling my indecision!!!

Rinkydink wrote:
Also what happens if you include the green marine staple Vulcan? - Quad linked MM's for the win...

Actually thats a point for not taking it in a Salamander army. You don't get two re-rolls so you are paying points for twin linked multi meltas that you simply wont be getting the benefit for.