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Fexor wrote:I agree the Sniper Rifles in 40K are way underpowered to even todays standard high power rifles.

Everything is underpowered, in terms of the ability to inflict wounds given a certain number of hits. I mean, a bolter fire a small rocket, and when it strikes the target it only takes the target out of the game 2 times out of 3?

This is balanced by the wildly exaggerated rate of hits. The result is that you can't really look at each part of the 'to hit, to wound, armour save' system as it's own thing, because individually they make little to no sense. Heck, put altogether they barely make any more sense.


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Nurglitch wrote:There's nothing wrong with Sniper Rifles, people just wished they worked differently. Me, I think the ability to snipe specialist models is a part of the game that should be spread around more, but I can see the problem with that from a game perspective rather than the curious simulation perspective that so many people seem to take.

Yeah, definitely. It seems like every third rule proposal is either for shotguns or sniper rifles, and the newly proposed rules are created almost entirely from a simulationist perspective.

I think the problem with snipers isn't with their overall lethality, but with the value of the role to which they've been tasked. Plinking wounds off of monstrous creatures just isn't that useful. 'Fixing' this with any other proposed options would just make them too useful in roles they're not designed for, such as killing MEQ. It's a game design conundrum, that people are trying to fix with appeals to snipers in the real world.

Personally, i feel that, on a battlefield as small as the standard 4x6 table is in relation to the models, snipers have no business showing up.

I think the lack of a headshot rule is probably a good thing, I mean once you start ruling that you can aim for a specific part how long is it going to be before people ask to make crotch shots on IG officers?

And before you say the head is always the most lethal shot, it isnt. The head is A lethal shot, and not always a lethal shot, plenty of people have survived being shot in the head (Admitedly not usually by high calibre rounds) but tbh if you fired a 50. cal round into someones heart, their going to die, if you drop both their lungs their going to die, if you drop a knee you could hobble an entire unit while they slow down to help the guy you crippled.

Im telling you, if you start adding rules to overcomplicate things you will get swamped... and the average turn time for a game of 40k will go form long to monolithic.

danp164 wrote:I think the lack of a headshot rule is probably a good thing, I mean once you start ruling that you can aim for a specific part how long is it going to be before people ask to make crotch shots on IG officers?

And before you say the head is always the most lethal shot, it isnt. The head is A lethal shot, and not always a lethal shot, plenty of people have survived being shot in the head (Admitedly not usually by high calibre rounds) but tbh if you fired a 50. cal round into someones heart, their going to die, if you drop both their lungs their going to die, if you drop a knee you could hobble an entire unit while they slow down to help the guy you crippled.

Im telling you, if you start adding rules to overcomplicate things you will get swamped... and the average turn time for a game of 40k will go form long to monolithic.

Hitting a person anywhere with a .50 Caliber bullet is going to kill them as long as it isn't just taking off a finger of an ear...

Sadly though, in 40k all the sniper rifles are usually firing a needle (Space Marines) a single shuriken (Eldar) or a regular lasgun shot just aimed better (IG) and therefore we cannot compare that to real life.

Though strangely enough, Space Marine boltguns fire rounds that are around the size of a .50 caliber, and the Heavy Boltguns are even bigger. 40k makes no sense.

Sorry was thinking about RL sniper rifles when is aid 50 cal round, ok assuming your a a SM sout or eldar ranger with a needle rifle, the objective is to get the poison int the bloodstream, therefore the heart would be the most effective target, not the head.

TBH they need to sub divide rules for needle rifles and long las, in game terms they should be far more different then they are.

Isn't the bolter a .75? If anything sniper weapons should have longer range. It's better to take the points for a devastor squad of solid lascannons than a scout sniper squad.

grayspark wrote:

danp164 wrote:I think the lack of a headshot rule is probably a good thing, I mean once you start ruling that you can aim for a specific part how long is it going to be before people ask to make crotch shots on IG officers?

And before you say the head is always the most lethal shot, it isnt. The head is A lethal shot, and not always a lethal shot, plenty of people have survived being shot in the head (Admitedly not usually by high calibre rounds) but tbh if you fired a 50. cal round into someones heart, their going to die, if you drop both their lungs their going to die, if you drop a knee you could hobble an entire unit while they slow down to help the guy you crippled.

Im telling you, if you start adding rules to overcomplicate things you will get swamped... and the average turn time for a game of 40k will go form long to monolithic.

Hitting a person anywhere with a .50 Caliber bullet is going to kill them as long as it isn't just taking off a finger of an ear...

Sadly though, in 40k all the sniper rifles are usually firing a needle (Space Marines) a single shuriken (Eldar) or a regular lasgun shot just aimed better (IG) and therefore we cannot compare that to real life.

Though strangely enough, Space Marine boltguns fire rounds that are around the size of a .50 caliber, and the Heavy Boltguns are even bigger. 40k makes no sense.

Actually a 50 cal or really any non specialized sniper rifle would go through a target like paper at table top ranges. While that sounds fantastic actual kills come from the kinetic energy of a bullet not the velocity. At these ranges the bullet will pass through the target but leave a clean wound and have absolutely zero stopping power.

Let's not have any Thread necromancy please...

Indeed, not as bad as some thread necros I have seen. Calling a mod!

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