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2010/11/27 05:59:03
Subject: Re:You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
Enough to kill or completely debilitate any zombie it hits within 20 feet, this gun/ammo combination has potential as both a hunter of large game as well as the undead. None of the concerns facing the owner of a break or pump action shotgun are present here: decent magazine size, no downtime for cycling rounds, and enormous destructive power make this the gun of choice before going to the sidearm.
2. Glock 17 with hi-cap magazines & hollowpoint rounds
Arguably the best all purpose pistol in the game, 15-18 9mm rounds have enough stopping power to buy you time for a headshot. Easy to take down, clean, and put back up. Accurate, 100% reliable, lighter than a 1911 or BHP. I take the Glock over the 1911 and variants due to the simple fact of more bang for your buck. 9mm hollowpoints can make coleslaw of a brain or chest cavity and you get up to double the shots of a 1911 chambered for .45 ACP. A 1911 in 9mm is also a viable option, however. Other contenders include a CZ shadow (due to how naturally it aims), S&W M&P in 9mm, or a Beretta M9.
My wife gets my Tokarev TT-33 for her small hands and it's disproportionate stopping power.
3. Aluminum Baseball Bat
Other bludgeons like crowbars scream "SHOOT ME, I'M A LOOTER". I wouldn't take one out with me unless I was certain I was entering an unoccupied area. Edged weapons like katanas are arguably better against a zombie in a 1v1 scenario, however, blades have a strong chance of getting stuck in a zombie brainpan, chest cavity, or thigh, and if you have to try to wrestle it out in an emergency, you're in deep shi*t. Katanas are surprisingly heavy to swing after a few strokes, and 1h weapons like kukris and machetes have less chance of inflicting terminal injury or disability on the zombie because the zombie will presumably reaching for you, trying to get a hold of you. A 12-6 stroke to the crown of the head is the best way to stun, kill, or incapacitate a zombie. Diagonal slashes may be blocked or partially parried by the zombie's arm. Since the bat can be swung many times without a lot of fatigue, doesn't dull, and doesn't get stuck in meat or bone, it's my choice of melee weapon. Also, I have several damn good kitchen knifes that can be used for things like cleaning meat or stabbing zombies as a last resort.
4. Riding leathers with a Hockey helmet.
Warm, highly bite and scratch resistant, waterproof, covers your whole body, and doesn't hinder mobility. What's not to like? The helmet protects you from splatter to the face as well as impacts, on top of which, it doesn't cripple your vision or hearing like other helmets. Sure, you look like you're about ready to get on the short bus to tittertown, but you're very well protected.
5. First Aid Kit. Contents: Gauze, Bandage, Saline rinse, tape, needles, thread, antibiotic topical cream, tylenol & ibuprofen, multivitamins, and a bunch of broad spectrum antibiotics.
There's no reason to think this will cure zombie infection, but it will sure as gak help with anything else.
6. Tarp.
Gathering water, screen, protection from elements. Awesome multi-purpose item
7. Water purification tablets.
No guarantee on how long you'll have fresh water. Rainwater gathered through the tarp will probably need to be treated.
8. CB radio to make contact with other survivors
9. Small hibachi 10. 100m of strong nylon cord.
The Plan
I'm not going anywhere. I'm not bugging out. I'm going to hole up. Especially since, if I go out, I only get to take my 10 items, whereas, if I stay at home, I get them, plus the rest of my guns and supplies.
Going out at all, especially in the early phases of a zombie apocalypse, is the worst thing you can do. The roads will be jammed, there will be accidents, blockages, and panic. You think drivers are bad during rush hour? Imagine them when there's no rules of the road or law of the land. It only takes 2 cars to trap you in traffic, it only takes one small accident to strand you halfway between your home and your bug out zone. You get stuck in traffic, you're pretty much guaranteed to be a corpse before the day is out. Places like military bases, police stations, malls, gun stores, grocery stores, etc, would be guaranteed terminal places to go because you'd either be shot or killed by the owners/squatters (in the case of police stations and gun shops) or eaten by the enormous amount of zombies made from people who thought that the mall or grocery store would be the perfect place to go. The rules of the game state that I have about an hour to get where I'm going before I encounter the infection. Even if the roads weren't completely cluttered (and that's a big 'IF'), especially as the unprepared panic and rush out to get infected, you'd still have to contend with the zombies and any survivors who actually did manage to stay alive inside and don't want you stepping on their turf. Military bases are a gamble as well, because you might just get shot or shelled as you approached, no questions asked, because the place is bare bones due to all the enlisted being out fighting zombies. I wouldn't count on anyone for refuge. I'd try to contact friends and family to get them here, to me, because I actually own firearms and many of them don't. Without firearms, you're dead in the water. If family and friends can make it to the compound, we could organize and plan even better.
Which means my plan has to be to hole up, at least for the first few weeks. Leaving and taking my chances on the road entails significant risk which might be unnecessary to take.
To be honest, I think I'd be safe from zombies, but I'm not sure I wouldn't starve to death. Even with the food and water supplies in my condo being decent, and with rationing, I could probably survive 3-4 months, I'd have to be pretty bold and sharp to not get killed afterwords in search of food and supplies. I don't have a cabin in the bush I can flee to, or any island, but islands are a big gamble to because you have less supplies, less protection from the elements, and no easy way off. The ocean is cold, and the winds on the ocean are cold. Small islands seem like a place ripe for death by exposure or starvation.
There's two entrances to my building. If they aren't compromised when I get the news of infection, I gather up anyone who's in the building and help fortify the front door, which is glass and an enraged zombie might be able to penetrate, and the back gate, which, while likely difficult for a zombie to get through, should be dealt with as well. If the gate or door is broken somehow, I get in my condo, lock and load, and fortify the only viable entrance. I'm on the third floor, and the only ways in are the window and door. I'd have to stack up two of my heavy computer desks to block the window, the use twine to bind it to screws which i'd driven into the studs. That would likely take up an hour of my prep time. Each desk is about 90 lbs, and tied down, a zombie wouldn't be able to gain access through the window, and the door is strong enough that a deadbolt would protect us. I'd draw as much water as possible into all the containers in my house like pots, pans, bowls, what have you, and ration out dry supplies like oatmeal after perishable foods had been consumed. Based on what I have in the house right now, I think that I could survive in house for about 60-90 days, with strict rationing. According to the rules of the game, I had a week to prepare for the apocalypse, so during that time, presumably I bought a half a skid or more of water, lots of dry goods and non-perishables: canned beans, canned fruit, etc. If you are able to light a fire, you are able to cook rice, and a single 20kg bag of rice feeds a family for a very long time.
After that, my plan looks like this:
My balcony overlooks the parking lot and parklands behind the building. From there, I could snipe visible zombies with my SKS, and if needs be, slip out to hunt. There are lots of blacktail deer in this town and around my home, and with luck I'd be able to kill one every few months and cut off a leg or two to bring back home to stave off starvation. If it happened that we were out of mostly clean water and almost out of food, I'd head out in scouting missions at night to check the conditions of the roads. Are they impassable? Where can we go? There are several malls within 800m of my home. I could scout them out and see if scavenging was a viable option. I'd take my shotgun, a ball peen hammer, sidearm, and backpack to see what I could gather.
Being a voracious reader, I have a tonne of books to read, numerous Norton anthologies, and various masterpieces from throughout the ages to work on and teach my son, as well as a few hundred dollars in pencils, pens, paints, various sketch books, and such to pass down time, but I think for the most part I'd be trying to make contact with other survivors and get organized.
I think I could make it a year without dying, assuming I wasn't somehow invaded by heavily armed looters.
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2010/11/27 09:05:15
Subject: Re:You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
hemingway wrote:[rules are you only have enough gas to for 1h driving =)
also, can you be sure the roads will be navigable? are you leaving an urban area? you can probably expect a gongshow stack of dead cars on any outgoing roads from towns of more than 1500.
Oh, right, I didn't know we had limited fuel. Though I did mention getting fuel from the petrol station over the road
And yes, while the main (or indeed many of the) roads may well be jammed, one of the few good things about the UK is that because everything is so close together, there is always another road.
Frazzled wrote:Can I just say I will be sticking my head out the window cleansing the zombie gene pool for fun and profit. Noen of this running crap. I am a Texas by God and that aint kosher. Eventually when the sheriff gets a posse around I'll join that for more fun filkled entertainment. But everyone needs to remember, tweenkies do in fact have a shelf life.
But pasta packets don't. You just need the water and heat to cook them in, which can be problematic. Canned food is better... usually. Beef jerky is good for this as well, as are dried fruits, whole grain crackers, nuts, etc. Plenty of non-perishable foods within easy reach here, but then I'm a college student so that's pretty much what I buy (in bulk sometimes).
Also, while I am a Texan, I'm also the daughter of a veteran, and there's a navy/air force base within very easy reach. It's not running, you're just going back to get more boyz. /ork/
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2010/11/27 13:36:36
Subject: Re:You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
a few things first i will be staying home my home is 2 lv brick house with steel bars on all windows on the lower lv and steel doors i have soler power and tank water
so thats power and water covered frezer full of meat,frige full of food due to the fact i have power and its my house
the ten things i will need are
plant seeds(to grow crops)
video cams around the primiter fence
rife with ammo
more ammo
and more ammo
anouther bag to cary some more serples when cheacking the town
after a month or two i will drive to the nerest town for fule with is 5 min away
if i have a nuffe fule for a retern trip i will drive to the near by raf (roal Austrailan air force) bace
to look for serrvivers and to trade
Frazzled wrote:
Can I just say I will be sticking my head out the window cleansing the zombie gene pool for fun and profit. Noen of this running crap. I am a Texas by God and that aint kosher. Eventually when the sheriff gets a posse around I'll join that for more fun filkled entertainment. But everyone needs to remember, tweenkies do in fact have a shelf life.
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you do know the tweenkies bit is out of zombie land
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2010/11/27 13:56:38
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
I will saunter down to the supermarket on the next block and get a trolley.
I will fill it with tinned food, several cases of booze and cigarettes, and sit out on my balcony with my binoculars chuckling heartily. I will have time for at least three solid trips.
I'll be pretty right up here on the 26th floor. Even with no hope of rescue, I'll probably be a hell of a lot more comfortable than the suckers down there.
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2010/11/27 14:45:14
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
items
1.double barrel shotgun(we irish dont quite have the gun availability of you colonials)
2.recurve bow(for hunting, animals ,zombies and other such things)
3.swiss army knife(good rounder and though it wont be any good agaisnt zombies, itll be good agaisnt any hostile humans)
4.iodine tablets(in case the goverment decides to fix th problem with a nuke)
5. good o' walkin boots
6.a pair of sunglasses. i shall wear them and whenever i see a zombie shall take them off slowly and make a pithy remark before running like hell)
7. mp3 player( eye of the tiger while caving a zombies head in )
8.mobile phone
9. passport
10. a cow(shall explain)
the plan.
get my backside out there, i live on a farm so will make use of the cow as a form of transport and good conversation. will hole up on the tallest hill in the area. there is a old quarry there so will live in one of the office, i shall ride my cow out to the local area for food. i shall surive...
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2010/11/27 15:08:18
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
assultmarine wrote:items
1.double barrel shotgun(we irish dont quite have the gun availability of you colonials)
Don't worry, we're fighting for your gun rights over here. Hell, in Canada, we have to fight--hard--for our own. Some dipsh*ts want to ban the Ruger Mini-14
You're allowed to break the law to acquire items you couldn't normally get, provided it's within reason (wouldn't want to wait out the zombie apocalypse in a jail cell). So, black market firearms could be an option.
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2010/11/27 18:06:03
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
You know, if it weren't for the inmates in it, a jail would be a great, easily defensible place for you to hide out in.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2010/11/27 18:46:38
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
Melissia wrote:You know, if it weren't for the inmates in it, a jail would be a great, easily defensible place for you to hide out in.
In truth,not all of the inmates would be a problem,some could become a great asset.
men (and women) who are not easily shaken up by violence,tend to be quite proficient with weapons and in the cases of some gangs,understand "chain of command" and military like structure,could become useful soldiers.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2010/11/27 19:38:21
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
Melissia wrote:You know, if it weren't for the inmates in it, a jail would be a great, easily defensible place for you to hide out in.
Cruise or Container ship. Get on one of them and you're safe as houses. Plenty food, limited ways for the stinky ones to even get to you. And plenty of hideyholes.
Mr Mystery. Surviving Zombie Plagues with grace and style since 2010.
2010/11/27 19:39:42
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
Melissia wrote:You know, if it weren't for the inmates in it, a jail would be a great, easily defensible place for you to hide out in.
In truth,not all of the inmates would be a problem,some could become a great asset.
men (and women) who are not easily shaken up by violence,tend to be quite proficient with weapons and in the cases of some gangs,understand "chain of command" and military like structure,could become useful soldiers.
heh yeah, depends on the inmate. lots of them are mechanically savvy, and might be good hunters. if they're a bunch of murderers, junkies, psychos and gangsters, they can starve in their cells. if they're some poor bastard who went up on a possession or auto theft beef, they can come out.
2010/11/27 23:04:24
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2010/11/27 23:23:29
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2010/11/27 23:30:15
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
SilverMK2 wrote:Just imagine zombies getting off their faces on junkies
"That zombie is high on PCP! Get your phone out."
"Hah! Look at him, he's taking his shirt off and attacking a police car!"
"Oh, gak, he's biting the pavement, HE'S BITING THE PAVEMENT"
"When the apocalypse is over, this is going on Youtube"
2010/11/28 01:09:56
Subject: Re:You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
Yeah, uh, I would say a group of military trained individuals, already armed and loyal to the country, would be far more valuable.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2010/11/28 01:18:15
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
That's probably true. Anyone that you can order to his death, or who refuses to flee for masculine reasons, is a huge asset to anyone that is concerned primarily with their own survival.
Global elites have known this for the entirety of human history.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2010/11/28 01:22:36
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
Right, and they could train me in marksmanship too, which is a great plus in case I run out of them.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2010/11/28 01:36:28
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
fall0fdark wrote:and the ones that are murderers, junkies, psychos and gangsters cuck to the zombies as a sacriafist
the murders,psychos and gangsters (depending on the "types") could all be useful.
ahah yeah, for stabbing you in your sleep and taking all your supplies.
Again..only referring to certain "types",I'm certainly not foolish enough to believe that an institution filled with prisoners could be converted into a useful "army",however,I am also aware that not every prisoner is a "useless low life",believe me,I'd much rather have a "criminal" with combat knowledge covering my six,than a law abiding citizen who's never been in a fight in their life.
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2010/11/28 01:49:15
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2010/11/28 02:01:41
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
Basically,it would depend on the individual...a "soccer mom" who had a cool head and was an excellent shot would be as useful,IMO,as a convicted "drug dealer" with an equally cool head and marksmanship skills (so long as they could both be trusted).
The fact that someone has been incarcerated does not immediately make them untrustworthy,anymore than someone who has never "broken any law" is worth putting faith in.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2010/11/28 02:45:13
Subject: Re:You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
I am actually told I'm already a pretty damn good shot.
I have only fired a gun once, and that was when I was so drunk I could barely stand (It was their idea, not mine, and hey, I was drunk at the time). They set up a Computer monitor, told me to have at it. Was a pain in the ass figuring out when to shoot while the thing was bobbing and weaving let me tell you, but I nailed every target they set up. First shot took me a good five minutes to line up, but after that I started to kinda rapid fire the gun. Hell if I know what type of gun it was.
Now, I have no idea if I would be able to do this when a zombie is running straight at me and when I'm sober, but hey, I guess I'll find out.
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
2010/11/28 07:36:03
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
It's a 15 minute drive to the Naval space and weapons Research/test facility with an adjoining set of bunkers...
My 10 items..?
nah... I'll just chill at the weapons base...
Something that all zombie apocalypses seem to forget is that, in the U.S. at least, EVERYONE HAS A GUN. And... The military may be bad at PR.. but they really are quite good at killing things dead, and if their targets already are dead... even better.
I mean think about it, when your military "targets" are un-thinking, un-armed, unarmored and onorganized... A highly organized defense will see the shambling undead re-dead. And considering that most countries tried at one point or another to design/train psychic soldiers, I'm pretty sure most also have a zombie contingency plan
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Slarg232 wrote:I am actually told I'm already a pretty damn good shot.
I have only fired a gun once, and that was when I was so drunk I could barely stand (It was their idea, not mine, and hey, I was drunk at the time). They set up a Computer monitor, told me to have at it. Was a pain in the ass figuring out when to shoot while the thing was bobbing and weaving let me tell you, but I nailed every target they set up. First shot took me a good five minutes to line up, but after that I started to kinda rapid fire the gun. Hell if I know what type of gun it was.
Now, I have no idea if I would be able to do this when a zombie is running straight at me and when I'm sober, but hey, I guess I'll find out.
Solution?
Stay drunk
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2010/11/28 11:09:06
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway
Except on cloudy/rainy days, in which case you're doubly fethed because you have no power and you're used to it so your body isn't as adapted to seeing in low light.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2010/11/28 20:03:18
Subject: You, Me, and the Zombie Apocalypse: A Zombie Survival Challenge Administered by hemingway