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So, what you're saying is... we kill the prisoners, feed them to the cows, then feed the cows to the soldiers and other humans, so that they can kill the zombies.

BRILLIANT!

Melissia wrote:So, what you're saying is... we kill the prisoners, feed them to the cows, then feed the cows to the soldiers and other humans, so that they can kill the zombies.

BRILLIANT!

Wouldn't that be a form of cannibalism?

Though possibly only if you got the cows too fast.

Oh, Ok. But what if the Zombies sacrifice themselves (and their meals) to be dog bones?
***The weiner dogs approve this sacrifice to the Greater (Weiner) Good.


Also, my mom likes your wiener dog picture.
***Excellent.


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Melissia wrote:You know, if it weren't for the inmates in it, a jail would be a great, easily defensible place for you to hide out in.

The difficulty is power. I do not know how the doors work without power, but yea it could be effective, if maximum security. Mom always said I'd end up at Huntsville!

A federal courthouse would be good to. They are generally pretty fortified, at least the one here in Houston.

fall0fdark wrote:No one ever say thay where unorganize thay could be the zombies out of the novle cell

and im shooked that no ones gone mad at me because my house has soler power and tank warter meaning i all ways have power and a good serply of water

If they "go mad" at you, it won't be because of your solar power and tank water. It will be for your spelling, lack of punctuation and lack of capitalization. ; )


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If I've got an hour, I'm doing well.

1) Call my parents and brothers. Tell them to load up & get over to my place or find out where we're holing up. My place is best, for some important resources, though (see below).
2) Go to dad's house (.75 miles away) and help him load everything he can into his truck. Bring his truck & Mom's Aztek to my house.
3) Do the same for my closest brothre, if needed (less than 2 miles away).
These 3 steps should take up the first hour or so.
As it happens, contrary to the OP's post, I *DO* have a rather large supply of 2x4's. I've got left overs from completing the man'cave in my basement and, if necessary, I can tear out the walls of the man cave for even more..
The house is not large, and we would be a little bit cramped, but we'd be close together and with people we all trusted.
While I have no firearms or ranged weapons, my dad & brothers do. They're the hunters. I'm the thinker. I make the plans. I pull things off. That's just how it works.

The front windows of my home and the rear basement "walk out" doors need to be reinforced first. That is priority. The nature of my home is such that none of the other windows are anything that Zombies could get through. The back door would need some boarding up, too, but that's a lower priority.

With the various automobiles we'd have parked in my garage, driveway and lawn, we'd have a good supply of gasoline.

After a day or 2, I would start making "house calls" to "check on" the neighbors. Anyone not home or dead would voluntarily give me any of their possessions I could carry.

Eventually, I would build a reinforced walkway to the neighbors house (close by) to expand the compound.
Yes. I have the tools and wood/etc. to do so.

Eric

Not an attempt to "hijack" the thread,but I was wondering how prepared people would be without the "pick 10 items" hemingway suggested.

If you had only 30 minutes warning,and no time to get supplies of any kind,would you have things in your home to aid in your survival? and could you conceivably defend your dwelling? or would you have to make a run for it?

For instance..

ATM I have readily on hand

A Mossberg 500 with about 150 rounds (00 buck and slug)
A Taurus PT-92 with about 100 rounds
a Colt 1911 with about 100 rounds
A Rossi .357 with about 25 rounds
KBar knife
2 aluminum baseball bats
3 cases of bottled water
cabinets fairly well stocked with canned food (about 2 weeks worth..maybe 3)
Dry Foods as well (tons of ramen,mac and cheese,4 loafs of bread,rolls, etc)
Fridge is full as well.
First aid kit (nothing special)
Tools (standard tool box,hammer nails,screwdrivers etc)
candles and flashlights.
BRB-Q grill on patio (2 bags of charcoal+ can of lighter fluid).
lots of heavy furniture for barricading.

I live on the 2nd story in an apartment,so it could be possible to barricade/destroy the two staircase leading up to my building.

After that...I suppose my family and I could hold out for a few weeks..but ultimately would have to make some sort of escape attempt.

FITZZ wrote:Not an attempt to "hijack" the thread,but I was wondering how prepared people would be without the "pick 10 items" hemingway suggested.

If you had only 30 minutes warning,and no time to get supplies of any kind,would you have things in your home to aid in your survival? and could you conceivably defend your dwelling? or would you have to make a run for it?

Now thats a better question. If you had 30 minutes to 1.5 hours what do you have or get a hold of?

Frazzled's Abode O doom.
15 minutes to find THE KEY ("honey have you seen my end of the world key? I can't find it...")
30 seconds to reach the Door
5 seconds to unlock the Door
1 second to leap clear from ultimate DOOM pouring through the Door.
1 minute to cackle maniacally
15 minutes for coffee.

FITZZ wrote:Not an attempt to "hijack" the thread,but I was wondering how prepared people would be without the "pick 10 items" hemingway suggested.

If you had only 30 minutes warning,and no time to get supplies of any kind,would you have things in your home to aid in your survival? and could you conceivably defend your dwelling? or would you have to make a run for it?

Yes. And that is all I am willing to say on an open internet forum. Lets just say that myself and my close friends are what people would call 'survivalists'.

And like iv seid im ready for them

With 30 minutes from now...

Well, at the moment I am at work (which, unfortunately, is a hospital so that would probably mean a zombie hot spot, though it would probably be one of the first places to be "saved" by the armed forces, so a mixed blessing).

Though I would probably try to convince people to block off the external doors (which unfortunately there are many) and to do an inventory of food, water, medicine etc, before sitting in for the wait.



If I were at home I could quickly nip over the road to the supermarket/hardware store (literally 1-2 minutes walk away directly over the road) and stock up on foods and some tools (spade, crowbar) and other gear (perhaps wind up radio? fire striker, etc) and be back to my apartment with plenty of time to spare.

Then the plan would be as before, wedge all the external building doors shut, block up the front window and door, then sit it out for as long as possible.

the shotgun is four feet away but however the shells are all in their seperate components....the cow however is bout 30 seconds run away and if i threw my cup of coca i could probaly hit the recurve bow

One thing I have to point out, while having a hand to hand weapon is a good idea in this situation it should be purely a weapon of last resort. You nail someone with a crowbar and blood, fluids, and tissue will go flying, all of which is infectious and on the same level as your face with all your most easily infectable avenues.

1.) Wrecking Bar - Crowbars are nice but I prefer a bit more heft and I just like the one I've got at home.
2.) XD .45 - Big, slow, but hits like a freight train with ball ammo, forget personal defense stuff.
3.) M14 w/ Scope - Semi-auto reducing the chance I'll waste ammo but still letting me empty the clip if I have to. Bigger bullet = more damage and less chance I'll have to use more than one shot.
4.) 12 Gauge Shotgun - The M14 is for range but if things get close a load of buck shot in the center of the chest has a good chance of killing or at least stopping them.
5.) First Aid Kit - I've got a good one at home the size of a small suitcase.
6.) K-Bar - My family laughed when I lept at the chance to pick up the old military issue ones my father had in the service. Just a good dependable knife.
7.) Binoculars - The farther away I can spot trouble the better.
8.) Basic Tool Kit - Hammer, multi-head screw driver, etc.
9.) CB Radio w/ Hand Crank Generator - Communication with other survivors/government entities will be important.
10.) MREs - Food.

11.) My own personal bug-out-bag at home.

The big reason I went with larger caliber weapons is that you can't count on someone who's already dead caring about a 9mm or 5.56mm bullet wound. All the usual methods those kill you don't work with Zombies. You need massive trauma and immediately either to damage or kill. I suspect a lot of people who empty a 9mm handgun into a zombie's chest are going to be sorely disappointed when it shambles onward and eats them.

I have three very big problems.
1) A family, my wife and three kids (4, 2, 7 month). While my wife is level headed and very rational my kids are... kids. They'll never grasp the concept that the living dead now walk/run amongst us looking to feed on the flesh of the living. That plus a 7 month old who just very inconviently weened herself mean that running isn't really an option.
2) I work half an hour from my house with few options on how to get home. For the first half the trip home I have one 7 mile strech of two lane road that services about five large housing developments. Once I get out of there I have two major north/south roads and 3 east/west roads to choose from to get home. Again, all will be slammed. If everyone hears about this at the same time there would be almost no way I could get home quickly if at all. So in the interests of not starting the scenario virtually having to write off my entire family we'll assume I hear about it at home which gives me a lot of options namely my tools, weapons, bug out bag, and pretty much everything I need.
3) I live in the middle of a city. Admittedly its a Florida city so it's spread out not up, but I am surrounded for miles in every direction with urban terrain. For the cherry on top I live on the I-4 corridor meaning the entire width of the state for within 10 to 15 miles is heavily populated. Running puts me out in the open for a lot of potential zombies.

Assuming I learn about the undead at home I'm in pretty good shape. Everything on my list is already in my house and I've already got a survival/bug-out-bag prepared. I've even got a fire place and a big pile of firewood for cooking and heating. I've also got my pile of guns and ammo, fishing tackle, and all kinds of other goodies. It's tempting to stay in my home. I have a carpentry hobby so I actually could board up most of my house. We keep a decent food supply on hand so we could last probably three week to four weeks just at home. Depending on how well my neighbors/zombie fodder make out I'd even have a decent number of homes in the immediate area to scavenge in. The downside is pretty huge though. While boarding up and staying low would keep the zombies off my ass it's a bright flashing sign to donkey-caves who have taken up looting to stay alive. It's hard to judge how bad a threat that really is though since I don't know ahead of time how bad we're talking in terms of infection. There's a sweet spot between most of humanity dying but enough surviving to enforce some kind of order and so many people dying that you think you're the only one. Between those extremes is a nasty area where I'm more worried about other survivors than zombies. Still, holing up is tempting. I can wait out a couple of weeks on just the food I've got on hand to let things settle out, hopefully with survivors killing a lot of the biggest concentrations of zombies and maybe the rest getting out in the open. Sorting out the survivors between those smart enough to survive and those dumb enough to be a liability. Just in general letting the initial panic of a zombie apocalypse pass over me.

Two weeks later, after the inital panic and collapse of western society I use my radio to try and find other survivors and maybe gauge the level of what's gone down. I also start to forage around my neighborhood. This is really the dangerous part since I'll be entering people's homes. If they're human and alive I might get a gun in the face. If they're zombies I'll be dealing with them in close quarters (safety glasses and mouth coverings are a must). However I could potentially score more food and water to keep my family going, maybe even more supplies hopefully some gas for my truck. I've got a good sized neighborhood and a small industrial area nearby to scavenge.

Eventually I know we'll have to move which is why gas for my truck is a priority. I'll be saving my MREs for when we do have to bug out to eat on the go. With luck I'll have a decent stockpile of gas, food, water, and ammunition to head out. From there, I have no idea. For bugging out Florida fething sucks. Checking the coast for an island or boat is one possibility but the coast is heavily developed which will likely mean heavily infested. Probably the best bet is to head for the panhandle and see what I can find. It's a lot less densely populated than down south so there might be hope for finding something off the beaten path and it'll be better for hunting and fishing.

FITZZ wrote:Not an attempt to "hijack" the thread,but I was wondering how prepared people would be without the "pick 10 items" hemingway suggested.

If you had only 30 minutes warning,and no time to get supplies of any kind,would you have things in your home to aid in your survival? and could you conceivably defend your dwelling? or would you have to make a run for it?

Everything in my list I can lay my hands on in about 30 seconds at home. Well except the radio. That's sort of a glaring deficiency in my plan. For some reason or other I've just never gotten a hold of one. If I'm at home I've also got several more rifles, most in .30-06, a couple .223 including the requisite AR-15 clone, and a few handguns, all with a small mountain of ammo. The XD, M14, and Shotgun were just my go to weapons for zombie apocalypse assuming I have to just take what I can carry.

@Tyyr.
Watch more zombie movies. ; )
It's not about stopping power. It's about aim.
You keep talking about hitting them in the chest. All that's gonna do is knock 'em back a couple steps and waste ammo.
What you need is:

Every try to hit a 8" target that's bobbing and weaving while it runs towards you? Good luck with that.

Well I'd either stay at work, i would like to think the DoD facility I work at would be fairly secure

or

I head home and unlock the arsenal that me and my father have been stocking and collecting for years. If you look up gun nut in the dictonary you'll see a picture of my dads face.

just looked at a local free-ads paper off hand, someone is actully selling a zombie survival kit, it contains, among other things a artic magumn....aparently its hard to get guns here...

Tyyr wrote:Every try to hit a 8" target that's bobbing and weaving while it runs towards you? Good luck with that.

Ever see someone try to kill a zombie with a chest shot? Good luck with that.

Eric

i live in middle of woodland on private land that has a 7 foot brickwall around the property and heavy as hell iron gates as main entrance (i know that the buggers are heavy as i fitted them! ) so i'll be stayin at home and thankfully my land lady is one of these people that buy a years worth of food each month as we always get snowed in for 4 weeks in the winter lol so food and drink wouldnt be a problem, weapons wouldnt be hard either as her husband has a huge collection of rifles and shotguns and a metric ton of ammo, plus some WW2 weapons in working order from his days in europe and plenty of ammo still ( 500 rounds for a bren gun!) so my list is as follows........

1,My CBR900 fireblade, full tank of fuel and tank bags/paniers and top box for stowage in case i need to venture out for supplies

2,Jerry cans filled with fuel

3,Lee enfield 308. rifle with 200 rounds and bayonet fitted

4,Full motorcross armour with full motorbike race leathers (like to see a zombie bite his way through that lot!

5,Crash helmet

6,My cigarettes and trusty Zippo lighter

7,Fully stocked first aid kit

8,Crowbar

9,CB radio

10,Maglite with spare batteries

My plan would be to ride to my girlfriends and pick her up and bring her back 30 min trip max ,hold out as long as i can in our house which has 360. view of land and boput quarter mile in all directions to the perimiter wall, weapons positioned at all doors and windows with ammo for said weapons wait for electricity to run out b4 kicking in diesel generator in the yard, live off food stored and veg growing in garder, shoot rabbits and deer in the woods behind house, copious amounts of sex with missus to keep moral up eventually when run oput of supplies jump on the bike with all my gear and head to nearest supermarket and fight my way through zombies (hopefully) to get more supplies, if need be there is a police station not far from me that has an armed response unit there so might have to "borrow" some police armaments along the way, i doubt i will die of being eaten, maybe mal nutrition in later months, naggin from the missus or out of sheer boredom as run out of things to shoot!


or to quote the film shaun of the dead

"go to mum's, kill philip, head over to liz'z grab her, head to the winchester, have a beer and wait for all this to blow over"

MagickalMemories wrote:Ever see someone try to kill a zombie with a chest shot? Good luck with that.

Eric

I never said I'd only be aiming for the chest, but be realistic. Are you that much of a sharp shooter that you think you can just plink them with headshots all day long? If you are that good a shot then kudos. For the other 99.9999999% of the population making that shot would be almost impossible, more blind luck than good shooting. In a situation where every bullet counts I'm not going to be spraying wildly praying that one of the hundred rounds I'm firing might hit one in the head. Instead I'll take weapons that on the far greater chance I'll instead hit them in the arm, leg, or chest will partially incapacitate them.

If these were Romero style shamblers I might think you'd have a chance. Given that we're talking DotD remake style runners you're dead if you think you can just make head shots all day.

4,Full motorcross armour with full motorbike race leathers (like to see a zombie bite his way through that lot!

Yea full leathers and full face shield helmet makes you pretty invulnerable to the zombie horde. Thats the prohblem with the zombie thing. Its too easy to protect yourself from people who don't use weapons. The only real danger time is initially, until people understand what is going on, then its dealable. Frankly the plague or something like that is far more dangerous. You can't kill the Black Death with a Fulton Titan at 600 yards.

Tyyr wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Ever see someone try to kill a zombie with a chest shot? Good luck with that.

Eric

I never said I'd only be aiming for the chest, but be realistic. Are you that much of a sharp shooter that you think you can just plink them with headshots all day long? If you are that good a shot then kudos. For the other 99.9999999% of the population making that shot would be almost impossible, more blind luck than good shooting. In a situation where every bullet counts I'm not going to be spraying wildly praying that one of the hundred rounds I'm firing might hit one in the head. Instead I'll take weapons that on the far greater chance I'll instead hit them in the arm, leg, or chest will partially incapacitate them.

If these were Romero style shamblers I might think you'd have a chance. Given that we're talking DotD remake style runners you're dead if you think you can just make head shots all day.

No. I'm not claiming to be a marksman.
All I'm saying is that, using conventional "Zombie wisdom," your torso shots are going to be ineffective and a waste of ammo. Zombies aren't even slowed down, typically, by your average torso (arm, leg, etc) shot. Not for more than a half-second to full second.
IMO, ammo is more important than a half second or second delay.
Unless you're shooting something with explosive power, of course. If you can take their legs off or rip them apart at the torso, so that they have to crawl with their arms... Well, then that is obviously a good deal.

IMO, instead of wasting bullets on torso shots, you're far better off running for as long as you can, trying to get to some sort of "safe house" and saving your ammo until you're stuck in the "danger zone" and the headshots will be easier. That is not a time when you'll want to run out of ammo. If you did, you'd be cursing yourself for wasting ammo on trying to knee-cap him or something.

Eric

jp400 wrote:
Yes. And that is all I am willing to say on an open internet forum. Lets just say that myself and my close friends are what people would call 'survivalists'.

didn't forget your tinfoil hat though, i see =P

Tyyr wrote:If these were Romero style shamblers I might think you'd have a chance. Given that we're talking DotD remake style runners you're dead if you think you can just make head shots all day

aye, that's why the shotgun w 00 buck is the way to go imo. even a torso shot that misses the heart or spine still might knock out enough flesh to incapacitate the zombie. i watch shows like the walking dead and how he makes headshots with his python, while running, against moving targets, at will, and i lol and lol. even GM class IPSC shooters don't have that kind of aim. sure, it makes good tv, but in a panic situation where you absolutely positively have to kill errry mufuggin zombie in the room, the SA shotgun with mankiller shells is the choice of champions.

MagikalMemories wrote:As it happens, contrary to the OP's post, I *DO* have a rather large supply of 2x4's.

heh, no doubt you do! that was an example i thought would prevent answers that were like 'oh, simple, i'll put up sheets of plywood over all my windows and build an elevator going down to the ground from my 4th floor apartment etc'. because I live in a condo and I can tell you that people who live in condos don't have big sheets of plywood and 2x4s on hand. the rules state, though, that if you have it, and you're holed up, you can use it, so power to you, and best of luck with your mancave (condo owners don't get mancaves =((( )

Thankfully we have a few upstairs rooms which we can use as a refuge (with sleeping bags), appointing people to night watch to guard the (only) door, along with one other room which has only one entrance, but it's an ill-contained greenhouse type room and I'd not want to have to live there. Most of the rooms in the house has windows though, so they'd have to be boarded up somehow.

The garage could also be of use, as there's only one way into it if the garage door is closed.

If I only had thirty minutes:

At Home:

I would run upstairs, grab my parents guns, get in my car, call up some peeps, call my friend to see if I could "Borrow" his house, and then tell the people to meet me there. As it is a farmhouse, it would be well stocked with salvagables, and since Nodak is rather plainy, we would see the Zeds coming from miles away. After the initial fortifications have been erected, I would gather the people I told to meet me up, and we would head back to town to try to scavenge more stuff.

At Work:

Assuming I would be able to escape from work, I would head home and get started with that plan. If not, I have no idea.

But the real question is, are there going to be people that CAN be infected but won't turn into zombies? Like in L4D, the main characters are Carriers that ARE infected, but not zombified.

i guess like all things there will be some out there with immunities to the Z-flu or virus or whatever form brings back the dead to eat us all lol

Speaking of which, what would change your plans if you knew you and three other people were immune (that you know for certain are immune)? Who would you choose?

Slarg232 wrote:
I would grab whatever guns I can, since both a country town and a military base is packing.

I read this, and burst out laughing, reminded of this:-