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Good, Bad....he's the guy with the FIST!

It would be awsome if Sternguard became troops.

of course then he would be Waaaaaaayyyyyy undercosted.

Sternguard with 8 Combi-flamers and 2 Heavy flamers or 8 combi-meltas and 2 melta guns would be everywhere.

I dont understand Lysander or Pedro. Lysander makes your squad better shots and Pedro gets more attacks, yet Pedro gets murdered in CC with a 3+4++ and no invul and Lysander has no gun.

Pedro's +1 Attack Bonus does not stack with the honor guards banner.

DooDoo wrote:I dont understand Lysander or Pedro. Lysander makes your squad better shots and Pedro gets more attacks, yet Pedro gets murdered in CC with a 3+4++ and no invul and Lysander has no gun.

Pedro doesn't have to be in the combat for the unit to get the bonus.

His bubble expands 12" around him. a 24" diameter circle will get the benifit and it applies to everything capable of fighting in CC.

i have never taken Honor Guard for him, but he is devestating when combined with Assault Terminators and IClad dreadnoughts. he also makes any Tac or Sternguard squads pretty decent in CC too.

I will definitely look into taking him with HG now and maybe VGV as well.

I see him used very effectively with sternguard in drop pods. They drop on the objectives & combat squad. Usually with a PF & some combi-flamers/combi-melta depending on what you prefer. Now you have 2 5 man sternguard squads to hold an objective & I find them as one of the games best defensive units.

Also:

DooDoo wrote:3+4++ and no invul

What do you mean no invul? You just stated he has a 3+/4++ .

I really like Pedro Kantor with Thunderhammer storm shield termies...

I hear +1 attack thunder hammers are good...

Not to mention most people play him wrong. He ishould be used in a COUNTER assault army where you can make the most out of that +1 attack ability. Not an assault army.

Thaylen wrote:Pedro's +1 Attack Bonus does not stack with the honor guards banner.

Yup, therefore you are getting a Chapter Banner effectively included in Pedro's 175. Sternguard are just "Ninja" I do like to cheap out for objective camping with a 10man Scout Sniper unit (Including Telion and a ML) gives them a very long reach, you can camp on your objective and still reach out and touch other units or even pick out an individual using "the Eye of Vengeance" So you can pick off that FNP unit or Character or specific ability. Good MC killers too! The points I save I can upgrade my Sternguard or Tactical Squad. I do like a Devastator Sternguard squad, 2 LC or PC can be real game winners plus with PEDRO you can score with them.

For me Pedro seems like a Skillful players character, Lysander is a monster and can cut through anything (regardless of your tactical skill) Vulkan is annoying, Abbadon and mephiston are so powerful they don't skill to employ and don't even start me on the Space Puppies!

Vote Pedro.

ICs and power fists dont make the best combination.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:ICs and power fists dont make the best combination.

No, but you don't buy him for that and he can hide and still contribute his abilities.

well personally I dont want to pay 175 points for someone who has to hide. his abilities are fine but he just doesnt have enough punch. (get it? crimson fist? punch? hahahahahahaha I kill me. but no seriously...)

Well, for his equipment he certaintly is a fair purchase.

a Vanilla Chapter master with PF and Stormbolter is 153 points.

for 22 points more you get all Pedro's rules and bonuses.


if your going to take a Chapter master you might as well take Pedro.


It certaintly won't be a bad purchase no matter what army you run. Stubborn has it's uses, +1 attack for multiple units can turn otherwise so-so assault units into beasts. Tactical marines on the charge become nasty.


as with any force multiplying Character or rule you need to build your list around him, but that isn't so hard.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:

Also:

DooDoo wrote:3+4++ and no invul

What do you mean no invul? You just stated he has a 3+/4++ .

There's that screen name- post quality correlation again...




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Thaylen wrote:Pedro's +1 Attack Bonus does not stack with the honor guards banner.

Yes, but it saves me 25 points though, and is better!

AbaddonFidelis wrote:ICs and power fists dont make the best combination.

+1 to this.

This is why I always go for the relic blade when using captains. You gotta be able to take advantage of that I5.

absolutely. you're still wounding almost everything on a 2 and you can still hurt the big stuff.

Relic Blades are very good, it isn't too bad if you want a point sink Honour Guard unit with Pedro. The Honour Guard all sporting Relic Blades would make up for Pedro's lack of Punch(!???!) in Close Combat however that would be a hell of a unit and probably only an APOC unit really.

I've tried fielding full relic blade honor squads and they are indeed nasty. But for the points it is often better to run the Hammernators for CC goodness.

On Apoc, I once ran Pedro+Khan+10man Honorguard w/ relic blades in a LR Crusader. My opponent made the mistake of sending a squad of gaunts to charge my honor guard alongside a combat with 3 of his monstrous creatures. I put one guy on each MC and allocated everyone elses attacks to slaughter the gaunts and forced 15ish saves on all of the squads and MC. Furious charge plus relic blades is a nasty thing that no powerarmor army wants to see come out of the landrader. Pity it requirese 2 HQ slots.

I ran him with hammernators in a spearhead game at my flgc,they do indeed rock.I tend to experiment,not sure if thats a good or a bad thing though.I will be putting together some lists from the suggestions here and see how they go.I make lists around him and sternguard mainly,but will branch out and see what happens.

Pedro your not allowed to vote, its wrong if you vote for yourself.

I just had to....

Its really Expensive but i"ve played kantor with a full 10 man squad of honour guard, all with Relic Blades and a Chaplian. They just wrecked shop with the LRR as the cannons burned gak, then the squad charged out the sides and they just wiped out the board. I like Pedro cuase hes good for an all around list.. the only downfall is the 3+ save

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

I just had to....

And so did I. Kantor is a solid choice that I rarely see people use in favour of Vulkan.
I'm planning on running him, for his points he's one of the most solid characters in the dex
I don't get too hung up on not having 2+ since anyone who wants to kill you will be nailing you with more wounds than you can save. Not even Terminators are safe.

Drop-Podding Pedro Sternguard is an absolutely terrible glass-cannon army, that takes your Marines and throws them into the jaws of the enemy, and is relatively easy for armies with massed cheap infantry to positionally counter.

Marines should not be in assault, except for Bike Command Squads or Assault Terminators. Hence why Stubborn is bad.

With Assault Terminators is the only way I could see him being used, and this means you're going to have to strip for efficiency elsewhere.

For most Marine lists, a regular Librarian or Forgelord provides more overall utility. Or a Bike Captain if you want to do that type of list.

MagicJuggler wrote:Drop-Podding Pedro Sternguard is an absolutely terrible glass-cannon army, that takes your Marines and throws them into the jaws of the enemy, and is relatively easy for armies with massed cheap infantry to positionally counter.

Marines should not be in assault, except for Bike Command Squads or Assault Terminators. Hence why Stubborn is bad.

With Assault Terminators is the only way I could see him being used, and this means you're going to have to strip for efficiency elsewhere.

For most Marine lists, a regular Librarian or Forgelord provides more overall utility. Or a Bike Captain if you want to do that type of list.

Drop podding in Sternguard is fragile?

2 squads with either combi-flamers or combi-meltas can split into 4 seperate units upon coming in and light up 4 different units. that is 4 units that are hurting or dead.

Stubborn isn't bad in an assault. it means you are more likely to stick around and thats a good thing. you just can't choose to fail your Ld test and it is VERY useful in the event of Ld modifiers.


and Pedro is cheap enough to be used WITH a Libby or a MOTF. i use him with a MOTF all the time.

The reason Stubborn is bad for Marines is because they shoot better than they assault, even with Pedro nearby. This becomes especially compounded in the case of Sternguard, where the damage inflicted by their Combi-weapons/Special Issue Ammunition outpaces the damage done by their assaults. Being able to autoflee from shooting, or assault, rally, then bolter-tap an enemy, is normally preferable to taking extra losses.

Stubborn is terrible for vanilla marines. It replaces one of their core abilities (combat tactics) and basically just ensures that they die in an assault.

Why all dissin on Stubborn? i mean really with all the stupid modifiers out their even marines sometimes are in trouble. I've lost more marines with combattactics then i ever had with stubborn as i play with an IG player who loves his PBS and their damn modifying LD ability. Droping marines down to LD 2 or less is just wrong. Plus im less likely to be pinned for a whole turn. And if they get stuck in combat that gives me a whole turn to redeploy something to hit back at them with. I held off a demon prince the whole game with just 1 marine squad becuz they never retreated with Stubborn. So i wanna see first hand why you think Stubborn is so bad. and another thing if you takevulkan or shrike or even khan you lose combat tactics anyways and you dont even get stubborn. that means you wont get the chance to fall back anyways.

-Stubborn only protect against modified Leadership for purposes of Morale Checks.
-Morale Checks are a specific form of Leadership Check.
-Pinning Checks are not Morale Checks.
-Therefore, Stubborn does not protect against Leadership modifiers for purposes of Pinning.

As Vulkan or Shrike usually revolve around bringing Terminators or another beatstick into the fray, if your units need to take Morale checks in melee, this means they're losing bad and Stubborn probably wasn't going to help anyway...

(PS: Vulkan's list can BS Stubborn to a lesser extent if you really wanted to, by bringing some Book of St. Lucius Sisters; plus they'd benefit from his melta/flamer loving).

MagicJuggler wrote:The reason Stubborn is bad for Marines is because they shoot better than they assault, even with Pedro nearby. This becomes especially compounded in the case of Sternguard, where the damage inflicted by their Combi-weapons/Special Issue Ammunition outpaces the damage done by their assaults. Being able to autoflee from shooting, or assault, rally, then bolter-tap an enemy, is normally preferable to taking extra losses.

the problem with your auto flee idea is that the only armies who are going to be assaulting you with units that have a lower initiative than you are going to be orks (for the most part)

Tyranids, Eldar, Dark eldar will all take our beautiful combat tactics rule and shove it in our recently de-bodied face