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I am drawn to Pedro Kantor as I use sternguard units alot and it could prove decisive in certain games when Sternguard can capture objectives. What does everyone else think of this character?

EDIT I am amazed that i did a vote on Pedro Kantor and there were no references to NAPOLEON DYNAMITE!

I like him.
His army wide special rule is good for objective games and he is great in fluff based armies to boot.
As a special charachter he is also pretty competetivly priced as well IMO.

Mmm i think its a good one.... the only fail i see on him is the armor save.... anyway, it has a cool miniature

I like him quite a bit, using him in higher point value games where one or two units of sternguard make the difference between 3-4 scoring units and 5-6 scoring units. Otherwise, he's a chapter master with a blingy stormbolter and power armor.

IMO, his main drawback is an inability to upgrade to artificer or terminator armor.

He has a 3+ 4++ which isn't bad.
Admittedly it makes no sense for a chapter master to have a normal set of Power Armour instead of Atrificer Armour.

i think we're all thinking about the same

I did neglect to mention his +1A aura, which is pretty kicking combined with assault termies...

He's definitely a force multiplier, which is what good HQ's do.

Gavin Thorne wrote:I did neglect to mention his +1A aura, which is pretty kicking combined with assault termies...

He's definitely a force multiplier, which is what good HQ's do.

That reminds me a battle i saw between few friends of mine... i don't remember what was one of the sides but the others were Crimson fists and SW.... with Pedro inside.... just imagine the rest...

I dislike him as a rule:
-He costs like a Librarian and Razorback while not providing the utility of either. He grants +1 attack to nearby models, putting your Sternguard on par with...Grey Hunters.
-Just to add insult to injury, he replaces Combat Tactics with Stubborn. This is problematic, especially since even with his limited-area bubble, Marines as a rule shoot better than they assault, and stubbornly holding your ground against the oncoming hordes does little but provide your opponents a nice speedbump.
-Finally, if Sternguard were fragile before, making them a Scoring Unit on top only helps to up their threat profile by a considerable margin.

If I were to use Pedro, I'd have to run a sucker-punch list, one that used Scout Bikers and a Gate'd Assault Terminator unit, backed with the usual Marine fire-support options (Predators and Typhoons); since the points to wield him alongside a Librarian could have gone towards 2 of those Predators, or almost 2 Typhoon-Speeders, I find that taking Hunter Killer Missiles becomes a must to offset the fact your firepower is gimped on theirst turn.

In the case of Scout Bikers, their Stubborn actually benefits them in a perverse way, as despite their tendency to lose in melee against stuff, chances are it takes 2 turns to wipe them out, or more if the enemy doesn't allocate units to brush them away. If a unit of Scout Bikers can stop a unit of Long Fangs or BA Devestators or a Rifledread for firing for a turn or 2, it's worth it. Finally, they bring a Beacon for your Termies.

I like him.

with Pedro, you get, an Assault4, AP4 stormbolter, a PF, Scoring Sternguard, Stubborn units(maybe good, maybe not), and a 12" +1 Attack bubble.

a Chapter master with PF and Stormbolter costs 153 points so Pedro's abilities cost less then a PF

in reality he is probably undercosted.


imagine if you combined him with Shrike, a unit of Assault terminators, and 2 IClads.

use Shrikes Chapter tactics to infiltrate the Terminators and Pedro. you then have a Fleet unit of Terminators with +1 attack(including Shrike) and you don't have to possable disadvantage of being stubborn.

LC terminators have 4 base attacks. TH/SS have 3.

i like pedro, the only thing i dislike is his quote from the planetstrike book IIRC "Look To The Sky".

He's fine as a stand alone model but given the hq choices he has to compete with - vulkan, lysander, librarian, captain - I think he's best used for theme projects.

He is terrible for his points cost unless you are playing in a 2500 pt game

he is a very solid all around character, not to flashy or over powered but good enough to outclass a regular chapter master...he should have a 2+ armour save though, my only gripe

DooDoo wrote:He is terrible for his points cost unless you are playing in a 2500 pt game

care to explain?

He's ("only") good for the extra A bubble....

Players who pick a sternguard army make the mistake of including Pedro. Sternguard do better with combat tactics.

DooDoo wrote:He is terrible for his points cost unless you are playing in a 2500 pt game

Obvious troll is obvious.

Anyway he is pretty neat. Run him with Termies and 2 squads of Sternguard.
Also, scoring >> having combat tactics

just2fierce wrote:he is a very solid all around character, not to flashy or over powered but good enough to outclass a regular chapter master...he should have a 2+ armour save though, my only gripe

+1

This is the type of SC I like. I hate to see my opponent groan when I announce who's in my army (Ya! it's fething Lysander/Vulkan AGAIN!). It's much more fun to dig a little and find something less popular/powerful and make it work for me.

I actually have toyed with the idea of combining Pedro and Cato Sicarius for an army of Ld 10 Stubborn Badasses with 9 scoring units.

It's just so hard for me to get interested in Loyalists though...

He makes an already great unit better, and ain't a bad fighter himself.

The only problem as I can see it is that he loses the initiative in the assualt due to the PF. If he went up against a CC MC or Character he would potentially take a hammering in the 1st round due to his save value. Leaving him only what 4A with a PF before probably being overwhelmed. I'm sure someone will mathhammer this, but what about PK vs say an Ork Warboss he should be all over the Greenskin from the Fluff.

Pedro plus GKGM with holy relic and GK terminators pouring forth from a LRC is pretty NASTY!!!

I dislike him as a rule, for the simple reason that he's a little bi-polar.

He makes units better in assault, but his hold the line rule is for shooty armies. He also encourages people to overspend on sternguard - leaving the rest of the army weak.

He's not bad, just not great. Stubborn is the real killer.

What's so bad with stubborn?

I think he's a good character. I'd rather take other Hq's however and don't have enough sternguard to make proper use of him.

I echo the above.

What's wrong with stubborn?

Sticking in combat > suffering no retreat wounds. My Marines tend to do very well when involved in drawn out combats, mainly due to packing a PF in every squad. Drawing a combat out usually means I wipe the enemy unit, or if I need to tie up an enemy, I can do so until my unit dies.

Plus, you ignore some annoying things such as Psyker Battle Squads and other negative Ld modifiers.

Honestly, they should have made him allow sterngaurd to be taken as troops. I prolly wouldn't mind grabbing a few sterngaurd if I didn't already blow 400-500 points on my tactical squads, which fill nearly the same role.

I like Pedro, but my main gripe with him is that he's ultimately a bit of a wuss. He's not a combat monster at all - in fact, if you make him charge, a smart opponent can often kill him before he even gets to hit...

I usually have him with my Sternguards, they'll shoot to soften a target up, and than I have a Tactical Squad (With Pedro in range, they do get 3A on the charge, it can get nasty) or Assault Squad charge said target to finish it up.

You really want to learn to keep Pedro central to your army, so that more unit gets his +1A.

It is pretty lame however that his +1A really only makes your marines on par with Grey Hunter... but I think that's more of a problem with the SW codex being grossely overpowered rather than Kantor not being good enough.

I'm thinking he'd work with Honor Guard. 4 PW attacks per anyone?

Another possible use for him is to hang out inside a landraider with a librarian and hammernators. The libby pushes nullzone and pedro pushes +1 A. Granted I would probably rather run vulkan+ libby rather than pedro +libby.

But alas, in the end Pedro is outclassed by most other special HQ's. Lysander, Marneus, and Vulkan (In no particular order) are all much better choices.

Which they should be, since they are more expensive.

I think he works for specific circumstances/builds.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:I'm thinking he'd work with Honor Guard. 4 PW attacks per anyone?

Oh I am completely sold on this now, Stubborn, +1A with HG plus any other units within 12", Dorns Arrow, Scoring Sternguard, Orbital Bombardment.

115 pts basic HG (AA + 15pt Relic Blades!)
The Champion gets 5A (3A + 1A PK bonus + 1A on the charge!)

4 Attacks with a Relic Blade. If I went for 5 HG that would be a mental amount of attacks, they would cut through anything. Very little would standup to this, It would be a 500 pt unit but with AA it would be quite survivable.