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I don't have a specific list, but the "hardest" Nids list I have played against had 3 units of warriors, 3 units of stealers, swarmlord, tyrant, hive guard, and pooping trygons..

It was a rough game!

That sounds a illegal list as the Warriors and Stealers take up the troops and the Swarmlord and Tyrant take up the HQ. Trygons cannot "poop" that's Tervigons which you may have been mixed up on, however there's no room for them in this list.

That's it...Tervigons....can't you take them as heavy support? and 1 of the stealer units was ymregal... It was about 3 months ago, kinda sparce but just remember it was an awfull match.....

just2fierce wrote:That's it...Tervigons....can't you take them as heavy support? and 1 of the stealer units was ymregal... It was about 3 months ago, kinda sparce but just remember it was an awfull match.....

Tervigons are HQ but you can take 1 per unit of termagants as troops, so you can have up to 5 if you fill your HQ and Troop slots

HQ
Tervigon - AG, TS, Catalyst
Tervigon - AG, TS, Catalyst

Troops
10 Termagants
Tervigon - AG, TS, Catalyst
10 Termagants
Tervigon - AG, TS, Catalyst
10 Termagants
Tervigon - AG, TS, Catalyst

1125 pts

(Also if all of them spawn first turn thats 15 D6 Termagants, an average of 52.5 termagants )

Would/Do you give Bio-Plasma to `Fexes with two pairs of Scytals?

Aduro wrote:Would/Do you give Bio-Plasma to `Fexes with two pairs of Scytals?

I'd imagine not. Wanna keep points values down, and it has a weak range. Combined that you want the fexes going into vehicles you won't get much out of a S7 small blast power.

I love how this thread contains a lot of support to Carnifex's, despite the Internets constant claim that they suck.

I believe, as has been said, they can be very powerful when used correctly.
For me, a Brood of Carnifex's alongside two Trygons is a good combination, particularly with Tervigons in the back ground.

Just Dave wrote:I love how this thread contains a lot of support to Carnifex's, despite the Internets constant claim that they suck.

I believe, as has been said, they can be very powerful when used correctly.
For me, a Brood of Carnifex's alongside two Trygons is a good combination, particularly with Tervigons in the back ground.

3 (is 3 the correct way to run these or would 2 be good?) Canifex's are 480pts base right?

It seams like their a little expensive, and what upgrades shoould they have? or do you just run them with 2 x ST?

Also, 3 Carnifex's, two trygons with adrenal glands and 2 tervigons with TS,AG, catalyst comes out to 1290 pts

Just Dave wrote:I love how this thread contains a lot of support to Carnifex's, despite the Internets constant claim that they suck.

I believe, as has been said, they can be very powerful when used correctly.
For me, a Brood of Carnifex's alongside two Trygons is a good combination, particularly with Tervigons in the back ground.

Absolutely, the Fex still has places in lists. Most of the units that fall into the "suck" category for the general internet populace can work just fine if used in the right place and the right time. The problem for them comes in more when trying to come up with a min-maxed all-comers tournament list. Most of the black sheep units excel in a narrow range of function for their points cost, but in the all-comer's lists you tend to look for more points efficiency and flexibility, which many of the units start losing out on. This is true for any codex really.

Why the Lash whip/Bonesword on the Prime? The way I figure it is that your Prime and Shooty Warriors hang back and take pot shots at things, usually in cover. This is where I see the whip going to waste since units charging into cover will be @ I1 anyway unless they have grenades, which even then the Prime will often have superior WS to hit first. I'd either give him Scything Talons or go all out with 2 Boneswords, just my 2 cents. Cheers

The warriors and marines have the same int if I remember right. The lash would come into play and put that PW wielding fool down to strike last and hopefully let the wounds wipe him before he can strike.

Tyranid Prime with lash whip and bone sword, toxin sacks all the way. They are cheap, IC that can wound and kill anything. Always either embedded into a unit of Hive guard or attached to a swarm of gaunts.
3Zoanthroap do have their place. the ability to pop AV anything pretty much makes them a essential in the lists that i play. Synapse is a nice touch.
3 Hive gaurd for the other elite slot work wonders on opposing rhinos etc. Mech marines seems to be the norm around here.
Gargoyel. About 20 to act as a shield for everything, maybe tie up a unit for a turn or two in melee.
Tervigon, one. Take catalyst, toxin sacks and adrenal glands. Your gaunts get so much better in melee. And they can scratch tanks on the charge.
Two units of guants 20. One swarm with devourers the other just strait termagaunts. The devourers are pretty spendy but the amount of shooting they can put out is ridiculous.
Gargoyel. About 20 to act as a shield for everything, maybe tie up a unit for a turn or two in melee.
Tervigon, one. Take catalyst, toxin sacks and adrenal glands. Your gaunts get so much better in melee. And they can scratch tanks on the charge.
Two units of guants 20. One swarm with devourers the other just strait termagaunts. The devourers are pretty spendy but the amount of shooting they can put out is rediculous AND.... only 1050pts. You still have all of your HS and an elite slot left to mess with. This is my standard base. I just build from there.
Usually a big unit of stealers helps fill out the troops slot and you can add the doom spod, a second prime etc. Nids are a very versitle list. I used to hate em but i have started to come around.

Question. How does the logic follow that you can attatch a prime to a unit of fex. I though IC could not attatch to units like MC

sennacherib wrote: Tyranid Prime with lash whip and bone sword, toxin sacks all the way. They are cheap, IC that can wound and kill anything. Always either embedded into a unit of Hive guard or attached to a swarm of gaunts.
3Zoanthroap do have their place. the ability to pop AV anything pretty much makes them a essential in the lists that i play. Synapse is a nice touch.
3 Hive gaurd for the other elite slot work wonders on opposing rhinos etc. Mech marines seems to be the norm around here.
Gargoyel. About 20 to act as a shield for everything, maybe tie up a unit for a turn or two in melee.
Tervigon, one. Take catalyst, toxin sacks and adrenal glands. Your gaunts get so much better in melee. And they can scratch tanks on the charge.
Two units of guants 20. One swarm with devourers the other just strait termagaunts. The devourers are pretty spendy but the amount of shooting they can put out is ridiculous.
Gargoyel. About 20 to act as a shield for everything, maybe tie up a unit for a turn or two in melee.
Tervigon, one. Take catalyst, toxin sacks and adrenal glands. Your gaunts get so much better in melee. And they can scratch tanks on the charge.
Two units of guants 20. One swarm with devourers the other just strait termagaunts. The devourers are pretty spendy but the amount of shooting they can put out is rediculous AND.... only 1050pts. You still have all of your HS and an elite slot left to mess with. This is my standard base. I just build from there.
Usually a big unit of stealers helps fill out the troops slot and you can add the doom spod, a second prime etc. Nids are a very versitle list. I used to hate em but i have started to come around.

Question. How does the logic follow that you can attatch a prime to a unit of fex. I though IC could not attatch to units like MC

i think it only applies to multiple fex's, you cant join a single mc but you can join a squad i think

You can't join an IC to a unit that always consists of a single model regardless of if it's a Monstrous Creature or not, so you couldn't join a Prime to a Tervigon or T-Fex, but you'd be fine joining it to a normal `Fex since you can take them in units of more than a single model.

sennacherib wrote: Question. How does the logic follow that you can attatch a prime to a unit of fex. I though IC could not attatch to units like MC

BRB pg 48 (important parts bolded) Independent characters are allowed to join other units. They cannot, however, join vehicle squadrons and units that always consist of a single model (like most vehicles and monsterous creatures).

Carnifexes don't always consist of a single model as you can purchase 1-3 of them, so attaching an IC to a single carnifex does not violate this rule. The bit about monsterous creatures is simply an example of a type of unit that usually only consists of a single model, which is the case for most of the. There are a few exceptions though, the carnifex being one of them.

thanks all for decifering the IC MC thing. It still just feels wrong to do that. Im pretty sure the only reason that part of the BRB was already written and not with the intent that Fex would be allowed to run in units with IC. You can do it with RAW but its a little janky.
On with the discussion.
has anyone tried to use mulitples of the broodlord to reduce your foes LDR so that Hive tyrant powers like Psychic scream or leech essence work more effectivley.

Unfortunately, due to the timing of all the different leadership powers of various units, there is very little the broodlord's Aura synergizes with.

Maelstrom808 wrote:

sennacherib wrote: Question. How does the logic follow that you can attatch a prime to a unit of fex. I though IC could not attatch to units like MC

BRB pg 48 (important parts bolded) Independent characters are allowed to join other units. They cannot, however, join vehicle squadrons and units that always consist of a single model (like most vehicles and monsterous creatures).

Carnifexes don't always consist of a single model as you can purchase 1-3 of them, so attaching an IC to a single carnifex does not violate this rule. The bit about monsterous creatures is simply an example of a type of unit that usually only consists of a single model, which is the case for most of the. There are a few exceptions though, the carnifex being one of them.

Sooooo... what about swarmlord with tyrant guard?

Most people only think that Carnifexes suck because they lost a lot of their power and utility, as well as flexablility in lists. I mean, you used to be able to have 2+ save, very high toughness, a good amount of attacks, a tail, WS buff, I buff, and a variety of weapons... People probably miss that more than they do anything else from the last codex. That, and the fact that they were something like 80 Pts. base back then... Personally, I think the new fexes have their place...

Swarmlord with Tyrant Guard is a special unit, and the Swarmlord/Tyrant becomes part of the Tyrant Guard unit, towards which the Swarmlord/Tyrant can no longer be picked out to fire at.

My question was that a swarmlord cannot be joined with an IC, but can a swarmlord with tyrant guard be joined by an IC? Does it now count as a multi model unit so that IC's can join?

EDIT: Well the unit consists of more than one model so of course. Besides, if you want to get technical, the tyrant/swarmlord join the tyrant guard.

Maelstrom808 wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:Sooooo... what about swarmlord with tyrant guard?

What about them? Are you asking how can the Swarmlord join the tyrant guard? If that's the case then as footsloggin said, the tyrant guard have a special rule that allows tyrants and the Swarmlord to join their unit.

Gibbsey wrote:My question was that a swarmlord cannot be joined with an IC, but can a swarmlord with tyrant guard be joined by an IC? Does it now count as a multi model unit so that IC's can join?

Ninjad with response?

Yeah, edited the reply based on your additional post

Maelstrom808 wrote:Yeah, edited the reply based on your additional post

So a swarmlord with tyrant guard would be able to be joined with IC's....

Would this apply to all single model units that can buy additional models (example: BA Techmarine with servitors (BA Techmarines dont have IC special rule))

or would that be a question better left for YMDC?

Probably better left for YMDC...

Yes, it would (on both accounts). Not that it is important to the particular question you asked, but keep in mind that the tyrant guard do not automaticly join the tyrant/swarmlord. They are purchased as an entirely seperate unit that you have the option of joining the tyrant to or you can just leave them by themselves (although there are very few reasons to do so).

A Prime could not join up with Swarmlord, but he Can join up with Tyrant Guard, which are a unit that doesn't not always consist of a single model. Swarmlord just happens to be joined to the Tyrant Guard as well.

And there is a rule in the book for ICs joining up with other ICs outside of units.

Just Dave wrote:I love how this thread contains a lot of support to Carnifex's, despite the Internets constant claim that they suck.

I believe, as has been said, they can be very powerful when used correctly.
For me, a Brood of Carnifex's alongside two Trygons is a good combination, particularly with Tervigons in the back ground.

DakkaFexes rule, combat Fexes don't :(

I still like and use my combat fexes. They are beastly anchors in my line

S10 and I4 is cool thanks to adrenal glands, throw on frag spines too which is pretty tasty. The thing I do not like is how slow they are, but then again a Carnifex can get cover a lot easier than a Trygon. A Carnifex with basic combat upgrades is a decent points price of 175, not bad, it's just the lack of fleet which is a problem for me.