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**shrike**

VikingScott wrote:You're now worthy of my huge ignore list.

Good bye.

Go complain about someone else who is not as technologically adept as you think you are.
Vikings don't do technology duh. Thus mistake with my image tags.

trust me, I am as technologicall adept as a potato. I am worthy of a facepalm when it comes to tech.

**Ruckdog**

Wow...this topic got derailed fast!

I have to admit, I haven't read Prosero Burns yet, but I have a feeling I won't notice as much if there are no SW in the first 150 or so pages. This is mainly because I'm approaching the novel as a Horus Heresy story first, not as a SW book. YMMV, though, especially if you were looking for a all-SW all the time spank fest (try the SW omnibus, maybe?).

As for Dan Abnett hating SW, that is a little out of context. Here is his original post:

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=117886530792

To me, it sounds like he just finds writing for SW difficult, but doesn't HATE the army in the sense of seething anger type hatred.

**Gibbsey**

VikingScott wrote:Vikings don't do technology duh. Thus mistake with my image tags.

Just put the link in url tags, its the lazy way but it works.

**Guitardian**

Rhino-surfing-eldar... definitely WAY more ridiculous than a race of beings whos technology only works because they think it does, or 4 factions of messed up evil living in a dream-like oblivion and randomly infecting mortals with tentacles... or a group of S&M freaks who like to cut themselves and others while wearing spikey bondage strap-ons locked in battle with hot space nuns who are the symbol of purity, or god forbid, a fearsome fighting force that survives by the doctrine of cannon fodder as a viable strategy... yeah, climbing up on top of a vehicle is pretty far fetched.

**Gibbsey**

Guitardian wrote:Rhino-surfing-eldar... definitely WAY more ridiculous than a race of beings whos technology only works because they think it does, or 4 factions of messed up evil living in a dream-like oblivion and randomly infecting mortals with tentacles... or a group of S&M freaks who like to cut themselves and others while wearing spikey bondage strap-ons locked in battle with hot space nuns who are the symbol of purity, or god forbid, a fearsome fighting force that survives by the doctrine of cannon fodder as a viable strategy... yeah, climbing up on top of a vehicle is pretty far fetched.

Um

1. Eldar - okay fine here

2. Rhino - ooookkkkayyyy... what are the Eldar doing with a rhino?

3. Surfing - O_o

Also i think its kind of a problem when you have an APC and you decide to ride on top for no apparent reason, the fact that all space marines have multilasers is another problem entirely.

And as i've said before Consistancy would be nice, you cant have 3 sentaces about the same vehicle and end up calling it 3 different things.

**Grimm**

I liked the Awsome Scouts riding the Awsome Bikes, plus some more awsome for good measure. I know that having the same word three times in two consecutive sentences is bad, so surely a 'profesional' writer should too.

Back on Abnet, the only book I've read by him was Eisenhorn, and that was the best BL novel I've read. He's acknoledged as the best of the bunch by most, so they got him to write it so it sells.

**BluntmanDC**

Guitardian wrote:Leave the guy alone. At least he writes. I don't care if he doesn't obey all the canon of background like a good little thrall. I think he tries to add some imagination to a very generic backdrop and yeah, that may annoy some purists who worry about whether or not its a multilaser or a gattling laser or a lasblaster or etc etc. Its fantasy fiction in space for gods sake, it doesn't have to make sense. It's not like he is defying the laws of physics in true hardcore Science Fiction type genre, he's just telling a story. In my mind, orcs had black skin and red eyes, as Tolkein described them, until GW came along and insisted they were green and everything about them was green. Now they are Greenskins. Let the imaginations do what they want rather than trying to apply the anal rules of a fictional reality to each and every author who tries his hand creating something within such a limited and restrained pre-existing universe.

tolkein's universe is different from 40k universe, they don't have to be the same.

if you create a universe, with rules, with established physics, with a central backtrop, you stick to. you can expand it, but don't then let a very bad writer

all over it

'at least he writes' the most annoying statement, someone shouldn't be applauded because they can type words in a line, a child can do that.

'pre-existing universe' is key, if you don't like the pre-existing universe, go write something else for another company.

**cadbren**

I see that no one has yet again provided actual evidence of this fad with multi-lasers that Goto is supposed to have, how about some quotes if they even exist.

I'd also like to know why it is wrong for a power armoured space marine to wield a multi laser when both the last chancers and the Tanith have had non modified humans wielding a heavy bolter?

**12thRonin**

I see that no one has yet again provided actual evidence of this fad with multi-lasers that Goto is supposed to have, how about some quotes if they even exist.

He was trying to set the stage that the (IIRC) Mantis Warriors were in hold out mode against the Tyranids and were scrounging whatever weapons were available. However, as with most things he's written it failed horribly. This was Warrior Brood I think. I read about a chapter and a half and then tossed the book. W's coloring books would be more interesting.

I'd also like to know why it is wrong for a power armoured space marine to wield a multi laser when both the last chancers and the Tanith have had non modified humans wielding a heavy bolter?

Fluff reason: Probably due to suspensors or special training. Real reason: Cause one is written by a competent author and the other rolls balls of his own crap together and says it's a story.

Don't forget the joy of back flipping terminators or kids bringing down a Falcon with rocks...

**AlmightyWalrus**

cadbren wrote:I'd also like to know why it is wrong for a power armoured space marine to wield a multi laser when both the last chancers and the Tanith have had non modified humans wielding a heavy bolter?

The point is that it was TERMINATORS wielding multilaser. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, as not only does the Adeptus Astartes not utilize multilasers as part of their armoury, but Terminators have either heavy flamers, cyclone missile launchers or assault cannons. If you've got access to an assault cannon, why on earth would you take a multilaser (fluff wise, don't come here and point out that the multilaser has 12" longer range than an assault cannon

)?

**shrike**

seriously? I thought he was just a bad writer, but that...even my mum knows that termies can't backflip and you can't kill a tank with a rock. This is the universe where an ork throws a spear at a SM's face- it hits his helmet, he looks at it on the floor, laughs, and shoots the offending ork. C.S.hit is a go.
"at least he can write."- wow, he's not illiterate. My parents can write. I can write. my 6-year-old brother can write. We should lay off this guy because he can write.

**Gibbsey**

cadbren wrote:I see that no one has yet again provided actual evidence of this fad with multi-lasers that Goto is supposed to have, how about some quotes if they even exist.

c. s. goto's use of multilasers is well known, if you want a page number then gladly i cannot give you one. (not because i wouldent want to, i just dont own a book by him)

And before anyone points out any statement like "well if you dont have a book how do you know?" its because its rather common knowledge between BL book readers.

**Monster Rain**

At least C.S. Goto never made a thread about a chuck norris space marine and never posted pics.

I haven't read Prospero Burns yet, though I believe I'll make the trip to Barnes and Noble today to pick it up. I like Dan Abnett, and also am not the biggest Space Wolf fan, so I think I'll enjoy this.

There was an article not too long ago where C.S. Goto was openly mocking people for the nerd rage that his writing inspires. I believe I'll have to find it.

**Vaktathi**

cadbren wrote:

I'd also like to know why it is wrong for a power armoured space marine to wield a multi laser when both the last chancers and the Tanith have had non modified humans wielding a heavy bolter?

Primarily because they aren't, and never have been, available to any Space Marine army in this game ever (except maybe RT when Marines also had Shuricats, IG had jetbikes, and Land Raiders originally couldn't transport Terminators)? It'd be like an IG story with Thunderhammers.

**shrike**

Monster Rain wrote:At least C.S. Goto never made a thread about a chuck norris space marine and never posted pics.

I haven't read Prospero Burns yet, though I believe I'll make the trip to Barnes and Noble today to pick it up. I like Dan Abnett, and also am not the biggest Space Wolf fan, so I think I'll enjoy this.

There was an article not too long ago where C.S. Goto was openly mocking people for the nerd rage that his writing inspires. I believe I'll have to find it.

seriously- get over it. Read my sig. I'm fed up with snide little pointless remarks like that. I have said this so many times- my laptop can't upload pictures. Believe me- I suffer for it a lot more than dakka. So drop it.
Yours

ed off-ly, shrike.

**Gibbsey**

shrike wrote:seriously- get over it. Read my sig. I'm fed up with snide little pointless remarks like that. I have said this so many times- my laptop can't upload pictures. Believe me- I suffer for it a lot more than dakka. So drop it.
Yours ed off-ly, shrike.

O_o where did someone mention that?

**shrike**

Monster rain did. notice he's edited one time? yeah. that's where he deleted it.
sly little troller.

**Gibbsey**

shrike wrote:Monster rain did. notice he's edited one time? yeah. that's where he deleted it.

Ah okay, i've found quoting prevets ninja edits

**shrike**

heh heh heh, I just typed in exactly what he put into a quote. There. The ninja has been ninja'd.
And the balance of life is restored.

**Gibbsey**

shrike wrote:heh heh heh, I just typed in exactly what he put into a quote. There. The ninja has been ninja'd.

But now you've ninjad all my posts....

**shrike**

And now he re-edits, back how it was...

er.