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Am I the only one that think the rider's helmet needs to change in order to work in that riding position?

Scott-S6 wrote:Am I the only one that think the rider's helmet needs to change in order to work in that riding position?

Swept backward like this perhaps?

Yes.

And with the vanes intact too.

Aduro wrote:Most of the Eldar stuff is actually really good and has held up MUCH better than the previous Dark Eldar stuff. Off hand, the only two things that really need new figs are the Jetbikes, which need to be more crotch rocket and less chopper IMHO, and the Avatar, which just needs to be bigger.

Completely disagree. I think the Eldar are in desperate need of a face-lift. New plastics are a must, their Aspect Warriors look boring and/or ridiculous in most cases, and the current Guardians were a great promise that came to fruition with the Dark Eldar Warriors.

Wraithguard
Banshees
Scorpions
Dragons
Hawks
Spiders
Reapers
Shining Spears/Jetbikes
Re-cut guardian sprue
Plastic Warlocks already for the love of God

If they absolutely could NOT do all plastic (as they so often don't), I'd say the last vestiges of metal should likely be Reapers, Wraithguard and Warlocks. But the Aspect warriors all in metal (some single piece) is pathetic when other armies are nearly 100% multi-pose plastic.

What? The aspect warriors just got redone last book, and they look fine. How would plastic help them at all? How would plastic warlocks be a good idea? Just because something exists, doesn't mean it would be better off in plastic.

Plastic wraithguard I could definitely see though.

ph34r wrote:What? The aspect warriors just got redone last book, and they look fine. How would plastic help them at all? How would plastic warlocks be a good idea? Just because something exists, doesn't mean it would be better off in plastic.

Plastic wraithguard I could definitely see though.

I thought only the Dire Avengers were redone?

The DA were the only ones redone in plastic. There were some new models for a few of the aspects and some repackaging with new exarchs if I remember correctly.

DA got redone in plastic, scorpions got redone, banshees got redone, fire dragons got redone, dark reapers got redone. To redo them again would be a laughably bad idea for GW.

Don't forget the Wraith Lord, the Walkers, the plastic weapons platform, the Warlocks, Yriel and the Harlequins.

The last Eldar release was one of the last big releases by GW, with two months of only Eldar models and half the range renewed. All new models a big step ahead of 3rd edition models. And having low bodycount elites made in metal is something GW does up to today (mandrakes, Incubi, Wracks).

ph34r wrote:DA got redone in plastic, scorpions got redone, banshees got redone, fire dragons got redone, dark reapers got redone. To redo them again would be a laughably bad idea for GW.

Wait, the Banshees got redone? As in, still having the same ridiculous hair and fatty thigh Banshees?

I knew the Dark Reapers got redone, same with Scorpions. Thought Fire Dragons and Banshees were just repackaged from the last release?

Kroothawk wrote:Don't forget the Wraith Lord, the Walkers, the plastic weapons platform, the Warlocks, Yriel and the Harlequins.

We're discussing Aspect Warriors though. Of which, none of what you listed are

I thought all current aspect warriors bar the warp spiders and shining spears were the 2nd incarnation after the 90s Jes Goodwin ones?

I don't know, MGS. I think it's time to ask Scooby and the Gang.

Since 2nd edition, Dragons, Reapers, Avengers, and Scorpions have been remade twice.

Banshees and hawks once.

Spears and Spiders not at all.

http://kofler.dot.at/40k/eldar.html

My point is though, they are all still obnoxious to build in metal, and lack all the cross-customization of GW's range that makes other armies awesome to play.

Also, how much easier would it be to customize an Autrarch with plastic bitz? And yes, YES IT IS always better to have plastic kits than metal. They assemble easier, look better, are easier to convert, hold up better, and are generally more awesome.

Scottywan82 wrote:Since 2nd edition, Dragons, Reapers, Avengers, and Scorpions have been remade twice.

Banshees and hawks once.

Spears and Spiders not at all.

http://kofler.dot.at/40k/eldar.html

My point is though, they are all still obnoxious to build in metal, and lack all the cross-customization of GW's range that makes other armies awesome to play.

Also, how much easier would it be to customize an Autrarch with plastic bitz? And yes, YES IT IS always better to have plastic kits than metal. They assemble easier, look better, are easier to convert, hold up better, and are generally more awesome.

Banshees have been remade twice, as well.

2nd ed with Laspistols


3rd ed with Katanas


4th/current edition

Ah, corrected then. How nice would it be though to have plastic Banshees and Scorpions though? Instant combination with the Guardians for Storm Guardians. Ditto special weapons from Fire Dragons.

Aspect Warriors should be redone in plastic. I dont see why they didnt do so before, especially with the move of Aspect Warriors closer to the Guardian form. They should also rework the Guardian sprue, so you can make Storm Guardians from the normal plastic boxset (it really shouldnt be that hard, especially with the huge pricetag on them compared to, say, Chaos Daemons who are worth twice their points, but 10 bucks less).

You know, the Banshees certainly did go down in quality after 2nd ed. The 3rd ones were horrid, and the 4th only slightly better. I use the 2nd ed. ones despite having plenty of the other 2 releases.

Scottywan82 wrote:My point is though, they are all still obnoxious to build in metal, and lack all the cross-customization of GW's range that makes other armies awesome to play.

That is an excellent point (er, points). However, the extremely separate visual identities of the various aspects would make shared kits pretty tricky to do- as tricky as, say, a shared kit for Incubi and kabalites. Plastics for every Aspect seem pretty unlikely too.

MAYBE you could do, say, a heavy armor kit for Scorps/Spiders/Reapers, and then have tons of bitz or separate second frames. But it still seems like you'd lost the opportunity for all the cool detailing on each aspect.

The obvious low-hanging fruit would be Spears, since they share so many parts with regular jetbikers.

And GODDAMN do I hope Star Phantoms and Hornets make it into the next codex, even if they stay resin. That might make the Fast Attack selections actually worth taking.

And agreed on plastic Guardians with stormy options. Can't see that -not- happening, actually. Especially if stormies can get frigging grenades again (grumble, grumble).

Star Phantoms? Hornets?

The only "alternate" aspects I had heard of were the Crystal Dragons and Shadow Spectres.

EDIT: oh wait, those are the new FW vehicles, right.

Also I like the 3rd ed banshees. Awesome big hats.

The Eldar codex is extremely lacking in squad customisation and options in general. I'd hope that along with a move to plastic for some of the units they'll also get more wargear options. The aspect warriors themselves can stay more or less as they are as far as I'm concerned, though perhaps some new exarch blisters with the missing weapon options would be appreciated. Given the limited plastic love that can be doled out, I'd like to see a wraithguard box crammed with new options all available on the sprues, a seer council box with options for a farseer, warlocks and spiritseers, the jetbikes with new fancy wargear and weapons, and something completely new.

I thought the Eldar got a codex update like three years ago?

Temujin wrote:Given the limited plastic love that can be doled out, I'd like to see a wraithguard box crammed with new options all available on the sprues,

Most Eldar units don't make much sense to add new options to because Eldar combat doctrine is for most units to specialize in one thing. However, it always struck me as odd that the wraithguard had no options. There's no clear reason in the background for all wraithguard to be the same, and I rather like the idea of there either being wraithguard robots customized for the feistier souls sitting around in the Infinity Circuit, or for the psycho-reactive wraithbone in the wraithguard to react and alter itself slightly to match the mentality of the spirit within. And wraithguard should have been plastic last edition. It's a travesty that they were skipped over.

a seer council box with options for a farseer, warlocks and spiritseers, the jetbikes with new fancy wargear and weapons, and something completely new.

I think a farseer/warlock plastic box will be hard to do well because of the robes. It would be cool if they could manage it, but I doubt anyone short of Jes could do it, and he sounded Eldared-out. If a miracle happened and the kit could be made well though, I would love to see options to make spirit seers and a bonesinger in it.

To be honest, I can't think of anything the Eldar really need. Short of reintroducing some of the lesser known harlequins (unlikely given the Dark Eldar codex) or Exodites (doesn't sound like there's much studio interest) or the Slicing Orbs of Zandros aspect warriors, there aren't any gaps in the background I can think of. And tactically, are there any gaps in the army? I haven't played Eldar for the last 2 editions, but even back in 3rd you could easily cover all target types from a variety of different parts of the army list.

poontangler wrote:I thought the Eldar got a codex update like three years ago?

Almost double that.

[edit] double checked to be sure. around the middle of 2006. My Printers PDF of the eldar codex is dated "5/22/06".

Hellfury wrote:

poontangler wrote:I thought the Eldar got a codex update like three years ago?

Almost double that.

[edit] double checked to be sure. around the middle of 2006. My Printers PDF of the eldar codex is dated "5/22/06".

Yeah, November 2006, that's 4 years, almost double 3 years
With Grey Knights (March 2003, more than 7 years, 3rd edition), Sororitas (April 2004, more than 6 years, 3rd edition) and Necrons (July 2002, more than 8 years, 3rd edition) still waiting. Black Templars and Tau were also released before Eldar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_%28Warhammer_40,000%29

Eldar was Nov 2006. So, a little over four years.

It is my main codex though, and it feels very out of date playing it recently.

Personally, I think even the oldest Eldar models still look awesome. I am using RT-era Harlequins, Wraithlords and Eldar metal Guardians, 2nd Ed Banshees, Spiders, Reapers and Wraithguard. A mixture of 2nd and 4th Ed Dragons and Hawks, 4th Ed Scorpions, Walkers and Guardians.

All of the "third ed" Eldar stuff was atrocious.


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I think a strong argument can be made that the 3rd Ed codices should be updated before Eldar, but the Eldar codex is arguably a "bigger" codex than Tau or Black Templars. Tau still seems to offer a viable playstyle and not to be in desperate need of an update. Black Templars I know nothing about, but I personally think we have enough MEQ armies! Of the other four 4th Edition codices - Dark Angels, C:CSM, C:CD and Orks, Dark Angel and C:CSM both sound like they need an update to make them worth even using instead of proxying SW, SM or BA lists. Orks still seems like a "recent" list, except for its lack of special characters. I again know nothing about the Daemons list.

If it were up to me, the order would be -

Grey Knights (combined with SoB, but we know that won't happen)
Necrons
Dark Angels/Black Templars
Eldar
CSM
Tau
Whatever MEQ is left over
Orks
Daemons

But by then I think we'll be hitting 6th Ed, and then whatever comes closest to 6th Ed will inevitably be immediately nerfed for another 5-6 years...

I think I'm in the small minority that prefers the 3rd edition Banshees over the current ones.

I liked the 3rd edition banshees too. I also preferred the 3rd edition Fire Dragons to the current ones. But the current Striking Scorpions are so much better than their predecessors that I happily overlook the other changes I don't like as much.

Nope, I'm leaning more towards the 3rd ed ones as well. The helm and the cloth/left arm particularly... Guess I'll either have to track some down when I have the cash or work on my GS skills.

As much as I want to see the new codex out sooner rather than later, I'm actually hopping it's delayed long enough that it comes out after 6th ed. is released.

Savnock wrote:You know, the Banshees certainly did go down in quality after 2nd ed. The 3rd ones were horrid, and the 4th only slightly better. I use the 2nd ed. ones despite having plenty of the other 2 releases.

Are you serious! Are you freaking serious! Never have I heard such blasphemy and heresy in all my life. Those 2nd edition models are absolutely terrible! Are you one of those people who collects stuff because its old? I like the 3rd ones the most.

Please say why you like them over current ones, they really are so bad :|


(Dont mean to sound offensive)

3rd Ed Banshees seem to be the most favoured of the three. I heard alot of people wanting them (I even got an offer to trade my 3rd ed ones for 2 boxes of 4th ed ones, that's 2 more models than I would get). I only dislike the new ones because they look too much like guardians.

4th edition Banshees are the first with a female hip. Otherwise the looks match 2nd edition Banshees, so I added some for diversity. 3rd edition banshees have too distorted heads for my taste. 4th edition was a major step forward for the complete range.

BTW, how is this discussion news or rumours?