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Monster Rain wrote:I don't think anyone is mad.

Just saddened and slightly disappointed by your ignorance in this matter.


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Peter Wiggin wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

I beleive the point he was making was that if they do go to one of these countries then they have very limited rights and can be killed legaly

So how does that tie in with the call to refuse to rent or work with Arab's?

How does 30 people writing a letter about that subject tie in with Israel endorsing nazi policies?

Hi, I know how to get people to look at a thread. Too bad none of them take the time to actually read the article and consider the implications.

Gibbsey wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

I beleive the point he was making was that if they do go to one of these countries then they have very limited rights and can be killed legaly

So how does that tie in with the call to refuse to rent or work with Arab's?

It doesent, same way you bringing in a completely different topic does not tie in to my post

Peter Wiggin wrote:Hi, I know how to get people to look at a thread. Too bad none of them take the time to actually read the article and consider the implications.

We did.

We just think your conclusions are ridiculous.

Gibbsey wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

I beleive the point he was making was that if they do go to one of these countries then they have very limited rights and can be killed legaly

So how does that tie in with the call to refuse to rent or work with Arab's?

It doesent, same way you bringing in a completely different topic does not tie in to my post

Its not a different topic. Read the damn article before you comment.

Its a call for jewish women not to DATE or MARRY Arab men, and also to refuse rental to Arab's, as well as refuse to work in the same building with them. That IS related because its the SAME letter issued by the SAME people.

Well Israel does issue license plates based off ethnicity. Yellow for Israelis, white or blue plates for Palestinians.

Peter Wiggin wrote:Its a call for jewish women not to DATE or MARRY Arab men, and also to refuse rental to Arab's, as well as refuse to work in the same building with them. That IS related because its the SAME letter issued by the SAME people.

Yeah, but that wasn't what we were discussing when you brought it up.

Red Herring ftl.

he letter was initiated by the head of Lehava, an extreme right-wing group that says it aims to prevent the "assimilation of the Jewish people" and works at "saving Jewish girls from Arab villages."

Should sum it all up there....but if the popular sentiment is that these kinds of sentiments are fine if directed at Arab's by Jew's...then ok I'll bow out. Honestly, that IS what it seems like you guys are saying. Thats not a troll, thats honesty. If I'm wrong....enlighten me.

Would you be supporting a similar letter issued against Latino men by some Christian organization here in the US?


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Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Its a call for jewish women not to DATE or MARRY Arab men, and also to refuse rental to Arab's, as well as refuse to work in the same building with them. That IS related because its the SAME letter issued by the SAME people.

Yeah, but that wasn't what we were discussing when you brought it up.

Red Herring ftl.

Its in the exact same article about the exact same letter written by the exact same people. How is it NOT pertinent?

Methinks perhaps you didn't actually read the article. Interesting.


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avantgarde wrote:Well Israel does issue license plates based off ethnicity. Yellow for Israelis, white or blue plates for Palestinians.

Wow, seriously?

Peter Wiggin wrote:

he letter was initiated by the head of Lehava, an extreme right-wing group that says it aims to prevent the "assimilation of the Jewish people" and works at "saving Jewish girls from Arab villages."

Should sum it all up there....but if the popular sentiment is that these kinds of sentiments are fine if directed at Arab's by Jew's...then ok I'll bow out. Honestly, that IS what it seems like you guys are saying. Thats not a troll, thats honesty. If I'm wrong....enlighten me.

Again, I've posted something from the Jordanian Penal code twice that makes it seem like there is at least a cause for concern.


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Peter Wiggin wrote:Would you be supporting a similar letter issued against Latino men by some Christian organization here in the US?

Do Latinos have a stated policy about it being acceptable to kill their wives?

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

I beleive the point he was making was that if they do go to one of these countries then they have very limited rights and can be killed legaly

So how does that tie in with the call to refuse to rent or work with Arab's?

It doesent, same way you bringing in a completely different topic does not tie in to my post

Its not a different topic. Read the damn article before you comment.

Its a call for jewish women not to DATE or MARRY Arab men, and also to refuse rental to Arab's, as well as refuse to work in the same building with them. That IS related because its the SAME letter issued by the SAME people.

My post was clarifying something someone else had said relating to women having no rights in some arab countries. My point was valid, you chose to ignore the point and bring up a completely different one. So basically i was refering to the letter in part and was just clarifying something someone else had posted

<Insert strawman picture here which every internet warrior seams to love even though it just comes across as being an arse> (I can say arse american tv told me so )

Peter Wiggin wrote:Its in the exact same article about the exact same letter written by the exact same people. How is it NOT pertinent?

Because we were discussing a particular point, not the entire article.

Peter Wiggin wrote:Methinks perhaps you didn't actually read the article. Interesting.

False.

Monster Rain wrote:

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Peter Wiggin wrote:Would you be supporting a similar letter issued against Latino men by some Christian organization here in the US?

Do Latinos have a stated policy about it being acceptable to kill their wives?

Now now now sir, thats a fallacy and you know it. The subject at hand doesn't involve hypothetical stuff (although I did bring em up), it involves the concrete fact that this letter is aimed solely at spreading MORE hatred in a hate torn region.


The letter isn't JUST about "saving jewish girl" (oh god, save our women from those negros), its about 100% bigotry and discrimination based on ethnicity, not the individual.




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Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Its in the exact same article about the exact same letter written by the exact same people. How is it NOT pertinent?

Because we were discussing a particular point, not the entire article.

Peter Wiggin wrote:Methinks perhaps you didn't actually read the article. Interesting.

False.

I think that in this case its not really appropriate to discuss specifics of the letter without looking at the implications or sentiment as a whole. You can disagree if you want, matters not to me.

Peter Wiggin wrote:Now now now sir, thats a fallacy and you know it. The subject at hand doesn't involve hypothetical stuff (although I did bring em up)...

So why try to weasel out of it? You bring it up, I destroy it, and now its off the table?

Peter Wiggin wrote:The letter isn't JUST about "saving jewish girl" (oh god, save our women from those negros), its about 100% bigotry and discrimination based on ethnicity, not the individual.

And those 30 people who wrote that letter may be wrong.

Your contention that the entire country of Israel is now the 4th Reich is still extremely silly. You also want very badly to equate this with racism in America against black people, but its quite a bit different.


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Peter Wiggin wrote:I think that in this case its not really appropriate to discuss specifics of the letter without looking at the implications or sentiment as a whole. You can disagree if you want, matters not to me.

I don't disagree with you. I'm telling you that you're completely wrong.

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Now now now sir, thats a fallacy and you know it. The subject at hand doesn't involve hypothetical stuff (although I did bring em up)...

So why try to weasel out of it? You bring it up, I destroy it, and now its off the table?

Peter Wiggin wrote:The letter isn't JUST about "saving jewish girl" (oh god, save our women from those negros), its about 100% bigotry and discrimination based on ethnicity, not the individual.

And those 30 people who wrote that letter may be wrong.

Your contention that the entire country of Israel is now the 4th Reich is still extremely silly. You also want very badly to equate this with racism in America against black people, but its quite a bit different.


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Peter Wiggin wrote:I think that in this case its not really appropriate to discuss specifics of the letter without looking at the implications or sentiment as a whole. You can disagree if you want, matters not to me.

I don't disagree with you. I'm telling you that you're completely wrong.

Aight, no point in further discussion then. <shrug>


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Monster Rain wrote: You also want very badly to equate this with racism in America against black people, but its quite a bit different.

Actually, its not. Not in the least.


Racism is racism. Bigotry is bigotry. There is literally no difference in my mind between this and folks calling for drinking from a seperate water fountian. I don't care that it isn't on the law books, I care that enough of a portion of the population supports this message that it got onto CNN's front page.

If you think thats wrong, fine. <shrug>

Gibbsey wrote:<Insert strawman picture here which every internet warrior seams to love even though it just comes across as being an arse> (I can say arse american tv told me so )

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

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Peter Wiggin wrote:Would you be supporting a similar letter issued against Latino men by some Christian organization here in the US?

Do Latinos have a stated policy about it being acceptable to kill their wives?

Now now now sir, thats a fallacy and you know it. The subject at hand doesn't involve hypothetical stuff (although I did bring em up), it involves the concrete fact that this letter is aimed solely at spreading MORE hatred in a hate torn region.

Seriously? like 2 posts later?

Since when were valid comparisons fallacy's? Dont you think there would be warnings to american girls if they're rights would be severly limitted?

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Its in the exact same article about the exact same letter written by the exact same people. How is it NOT pertinent?

Because we were discussing a particular point, not the entire article.

Peter Wiggin wrote:Methinks perhaps you didn't actually read the article. Interesting.

False.

I think that in this case its not really appropriate to discuss specifics of the letter without looking at the implications or sentiment as a whole. You can disagree if you want, matters not to me.

Fine, just dont respond when we bring up parts of the article and dont refer to it as a whole

Peter Wiggin wrote:Racism is racism. Bigotry is bigotry. There is literally no difference in my mind between this and folks calling for drinking from a seperate water fountian. I don't care that it isn't on the law books, I care that enough of a portion of the population supports this message that it got onto CNN's front page.

If you think thats wrong, fine. <shrug>

Thinking you're wrong about condemning 8 million Israelis as Nazis because of 30 people and their letter isn't a tacit approval of racism, Peter.

Your refusal to engage the point that I've made about Jordanian law and why people might not want their daughters to move to that country is telling as well. The skin color or religion of the people enforcing those laws is quite irrelevant to me.

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Racism is racism. Bigotry is bigotry. There is literally no difference in my mind between this and folks calling for drinking from a seperate water fountian. I don't care that it isn't on the law books, I care that enough of a portion of the population supports this message that it got onto CNN's front page.

If you think thats wrong, fine. <shrug>

Thinking you're wrong about condemning 8 million people as Nazis because of 30 people and their letter isn't a tacit approval of racism, Peter.

You are so hung up on the title of the thread that you miss the point of my posts. Screw it, next time I won't make a title thats so violatile. Jesus H Christ.


yes imad. I take this stuff seriously, and I've managed to debunk my own thread with humor. I actually think most of you agree with me, you would just rather pick apart my logical fallacies than look at the content of the words. Ugh. Yes, it backfired on me. I admit it.

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Racism is racism. Bigotry is bigotry. There is literally no difference in my mind between this and folks calling for drinking from a seperate water fountian. I don't care that it isn't on the law books, I care that enough of a portion of the population supports this message that it got onto CNN's front page.

If you think thats wrong, fine. <shrug>

Thinking you're wrong about condemning 8 million people as Nazis because of 30 people and their letter isn't a tacit approval of racism, Peter.

You are so hung up on the title of the thread that you miss the point of my posts. Screw it, next time I won't make a title thats so violatile. Jesus H Christ.


yes imad. I take this stuff seriously, and I've managed to debunk my own thread with humor. I actually think most of you agree with me, you would just rather pick apart my logical fallacies than look at the content of the words. Ugh. Yes, it backfired on me. I admit it.

Man threads deciding the topic through their title? Who knew!

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Racism is racism. Bigotry is bigotry. There is literally no difference in my mind between this and folks calling for drinking from a seperate water fountian. I don't care that it isn't on the law books, I care that enough of a portion of the population supports this message that it got onto CNN's front page.

If you think thats wrong, fine. <shrug>

Thinking you're wrong about condemning 8 million people as Nazis because of 30 people and their letter isn't a tacit approval of racism, Peter.

You are so hung up on the title of the thread that you miss the point of my posts. Screw it, next time I won't make a title that's so violatile. Jesus H Christ.


yes imad. I take this stuff seriously, and I've managed to debunk my own thread with humor. I actually think most of you agree with me, you would just rather pick apart my logical fallacies than look at the content of the words. Ugh. Yes, it backfired on me. I admit it.

Because you're not trying to convince us with the "content of the words" or some kind of logical reasoning.

You posted an inflammatory title, didn't actually post the content of the article(just a link to the article) and seemingly hoped people just leap to your side.

avantgarde wrote:Well Israel does issue license plates based off ethnicity. Yellow for Israelis, white or blue plates for Palestinians.

Holy crap I did not know that.

I can see how this would come about as Israel is besieged on all sides but I can see how they are going to live with their neighbors long term with polices like that.

I also understand how a few incidents could generate this kind of response with regards to human rights for Israeli people. But once again this kind of thing does nothing to enhance the future of Israel in the region. I can't see how Israel can look at its neighbors from a gun site forever.

Kanluwen wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Racism is racism. Bigotry is bigotry. There is literally no difference in my mind between this and folks calling for drinking from a seperate water fountian. I don't care that it isn't on the law books, I care that enough of a portion of the population supports this message that it got onto CNN's front page.

If you think thats wrong, fine. <shrug>

Thinking you're wrong about condemning 8 million people as Nazis because of 30 people and their letter isn't a tacit approval of racism, Peter.

You are so hung up on the title of the thread that you miss the point of my posts. Screw it, next time I won't make a title that's so violatile. Jesus H Christ.


yes imad. I take this stuff seriously, and I've managed to debunk my own thread with humor. I actually think most of you agree with me, you would just rather pick apart my logical fallacies than look at the content of the words. Ugh. Yes, it backfired on me. I admit it.

Because you're not trying to convince us with the "content of the words" or some kind of logical reasoning.

You posted an inflammatory title, didn't actually post the content of the article(just a link to the article) and seemingly hoped people just leap to your side.

No, I hoped people would take the time to read the article and think about it before they posted. Sue me.


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veritechc wrote:

avantgarde wrote:Well Israel does issue license plates based off ethnicity. Yellow for Israelis, white or blue plates for Palestinians.

Holy crap I did not know that.

I can see how this would come about as Israel is besieged on all sides but I can see how they are going to live with their neighbors long term with polices like that.

I also understand how a few incidents could generate this kind of response with regards to human rights for Israeli people. But once again this kind of thing does nothing to enhance the future of Israel in the region. I can't see how Israel can look at its neighbors from a gun site forever.

This.

Peter Wiggin wrote:No, I hoped people would take the time to read the article and think about it before they posted. Sue me.

I read it, thought about it, and decided that your behavior in this case was worse than that of the people in the article.

Hence our discussion.

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:No, I hoped people would take the time to read the article and think about it before they posted. Sue me.

I read it, thought about it, and decided that your behavior in this case was worse than that of the people in the article.

Hence our discussion.

The internet is a twisted place.

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Racism is racism. Bigotry is bigotry. There is literally no difference in my mind between this and folks calling for drinking from a seperate water fountian. I don't care that it isn't on the law books, I care that enough of a portion of the population supports this message that it got onto CNN's front page.

If you think thats wrong, fine. <shrug>

Thinking you're wrong about condemning 8 million Israelis as Nazis because of 30 people and their letter isn't a tacit approval of racism, Peter.

Your refusal to engage the point that I've made about Jordanian law and why people might not want their daughters to move to that country is telling as well. The skin color or religion of the people enforcing those laws is quite irrelevant to me.

I can say without a doubt that the 30 people who wrote the letter are the worst form of bigots. Bigots who have forgotten what its like to have prejudice thrust on them. Its like black people in America being prejudice against the whites, how soon we all forget.

As a quick side note Monster Rain you best be black with that avatar or your whole argument is invalidated...

veritechc wrote:As a quick side note Monster Rain you best be black with that avatar or your whole argument is invalidated...

What?

Boxxy Brown is the greatest cartoon character of all time!

Boxy Brown is one of the greatest leaders in modern history.


Its refreshing to see that at least one person in here can grasp the fundamental premise of my post while not getting hung up on the title. I'll know better next time.

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:No, I hoped people would take the time to read the article and think about it before they posted. Sue me.

I read it, thought about it, and decided that your behavior in this case was worse than that of the people in the article.

Hence our discussion.

The internet is a twisted place.

Agreed.

See, you may find it humorous to throw around the whole "Nazis and Jews" thing, but for me it just makes me think of millions of dead people so I don't find it the source of amusement that you do.


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veritechc wrote:I can say without a doubt that the 30 people who wrote the letter are the worst form of bigots. Bigots who have forgotten what its like to have prejudice thrust on them. Its like black people in America being prejudice against the whites, how soon we all forget.

If they had just made a public information campaign about the laws concerning womens' rights in neighboring countries they could have made the same point without looking quite so stupid.

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:No, I hoped people would take the time to read the article and think about it before they posted. Sue me.

I read it, thought about it, and decided that your behavior in this case was worse than that of the people in the article.

Hence our discussion.

The internet is a twisted place.

Agreed.

See, you may find it humorous to throw around the whole "Nazis and Jews" thing, but for me it just makes me think of millions of dead people so I don't find it the source of amusement that you do.

Its not about humor, its about getting people to read the article. I do see disturbing similarities, and I do have grave concern for the future of folks in palestine and israel. Specifically the kids growing up on a steady diet of hate and violence.

I just assume people are capable of looking past a volatile title and actually look at historical comparissons. Don't assume I take it as comedy....my family left Europe due to the Nazi's. I take the entire concept of bigotry and hatred very very seriously.

Monster Rain wrote:

veritechc wrote:As a quick side note Monster Rain you best be black with that avatar or your whole argument is invalidated...

What?

Boxxy Brown is the greatest cartoon character of all time!

Well now I can see how misunderstandings can happen. I never heard of Boxy Brown and frankly just from the look of the Avatar I could easily be offended. If you had showed me that in person without explanation I would have punched you.

Perhaps something like that is going on here. Perhaps it goes on every day in Israel.

Maybe we all just got a bit of insight?

veritechc wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

veritechc wrote:As a quick side note Monster Rain you best be black with that avatar or your whole argument is invalidated...

What?

Boxxy Brown is the greatest cartoon character of all time!

Well now I can see how misunderstandings can happen. I never heard of Boxy Brown and frankly just from the look of the Avatar I could easily be offended. If you had showed me that in person with explanation I would have punched you.

Boxy Brown is a character from Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and he's the greatest. http://video.adultswim.com/aqua-teen-hunger-force/im-friends-with-a-toilet-paper-tube.html Here's a good one.

What's so bad about the picture, by the way?

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corpsesarefun wrote:I agree with Peter here, this is rather similar to a certain set of Nazi laws.

Lolwat?
No it's not. They're not pulling people aside checking their noses, ears, eyes, or skulls to see if you're "pure Jew".

No but they have been known to round up Palestinian men and boys to tattoo barcodes on their arms for identification. Sound familiar?

Jewish people = no beef from me. Israel, the state = bunch of bullying arseholes. Palestine, the state = rather too many dickheads just looking for a fight.

I'm pretty sure the majority of Israelis and Palestinians want to be left in peace as much as I do.

Mr Mystery wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:I agree with Peter here, this is rather similar to a certain set of Nazi laws.

Lolwat?
No it's not. They're not pulling people aside checking their noses, ears, eyes, or skulls to see if you're "pure Jew".

No but they have been known to round up Palestinian men and boys to tattoo barcodes on their arms for identification. Sound familiar?

Jewish people = no beef from me. Israel, the state = bunch of bullying arseholes. Palestine, the state = rather too many dickheads just looking for a fight.

I'm pretty sure the majority of Israelis and Palestinians want to be left in peace as much as I do.

"No but they have been known to round up Palestinian men and boys to tattoo barcodes on their arms for identification"

I've never heard that before....

And pretty much this "Jewish people = no beef from me. Israel, the state = bunch of bullying arseholes. Palestine, the state = rather too many dickheads just looking for a fight."

I dont think everyone fully supports what Israel does