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Gibbsey wrote:I dont think everyone fully supports what Israel does

Does anyone fully support everything that any country does?

Monster Rain wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:I dont think everyone fully supports what Israel does

Does anyone fully support everything that any country does?

Nope which was kind of my point, but Israel has done some dickish things

Oh sure they have.

That's a rather... turbulent part of the world.

I do agree with Peter that the comments made by these 30 or so people do plant seeds for further strife amongst the two groups.

The important question here is:

Do I care?

And no, no I dont.

Soladrin wrote:The important question here is:

Do I care?

And no, no I dont.

Then why are you here?


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FITZZ wrote: I do agree with Peter that the comments made by these 30 or so people do plant seeds for further strife amongst the two groups.

Same but "Endorsement of Nazi policy by Israel" isnt a very good title to invoke discussion, kinda flame bait.

This thread is terrible even by the low standards of our normal threads that regard the Middle East.

The letter that was issued is clearly racist, as it requests that Jewish people consider race when breeding.

The title of this thread is clearly meant to be inflammatory, as many, many other groups have concerned themselves with racial purity. It is not merely a "Nazi thing".

The OP has continued his nominal course of misconstruing arguments, by either inability to understand or unwillingness to do so. No one has argued that they support the letter's meaning, but that is the strawman he is arguing against. He had admitted to trolling in the past, and I suspect he is doing the same here.

That being said, defending the conduct of Israeli citizens on the basis that other people do similar things elsewhere is not a good argument. Other people having committed genocide does not make the commission of genocide acceptable. If it did, then there would be no outcry over comments about "driving Israel into the sea".

In conclusion:

In b4 Fascist Commies!!

veritechc wrote:

avantgarde wrote:Well Israel does issue license plates based off ethnicity. Yellow for Israelis, white or blue plates for Palestinians.

Holy crap I did not know that.

Wait, you do know that, in this context, "Palestinian" means "citizen of the Occupied Territory", right?

Israel doesn't issue different colors of license plates to people based on the color of their skin, or the religion that they follow.

There are plenty of white Christians driving around with white Israeli plates.

I've noticed that in California they make obnoxious yuppies drive around with white plates with red lettering.

dogma wrote:

veritechc wrote:

avantgarde wrote:Well Israel does issue license plates based off ethnicity. Yellow for Israelis, white or blue plates for Palestinians.

Holy crap I did not know that.

Wait, you do know that, in this context, "Palestinian" means "citizen of the Occupied Territory", right?

Israel doesn't issue different colors of license plates to people based on the color of their skin, or the religion that they follow.

There are plenty of white Christians driving around with white Israeli plates.

If its purely on ethnicity then its a problem, location is not a problem

TO be fair, Israeli is under siege from its neighbors. If the "No Arab" law is put into effect, thats concerning, but Israel is almost a military nation, so not allowing contact with what they see as "The Enemy" would make some sense.

Happygrunt wrote:TO be fair, Israeli is under siege from its neighbors. If the "No Arab" law is put into effect, thats concerning, but Israel is almost a military nation, so not allowing contact with what they see as "The Enemy" would make some sense.

Yet they are part of a vicious circle. Palestinian militants lob rockets into Israel, Israel bulldozes whole towns. Israel steals land, and illegally occupies it (see West Bank) and the west does nowt.

Happygrunt wrote:TO be fair, Israeli is under siege from its neighbors. If the "No Arab" law is put into effect, thats concerning, but Israel is almost a military nation, so not allowing contact with what they see as "The Enemy" would make some sense.

You know that there are Arab Israelis, right?

About 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab, and far more are of Arab descent.

Thread title is dishonest and bad.

The letters (actually written by two different, but related, groups) are racist and bad.

Monster Rain wrote:
Does anyone fully support everything that any country does?

Jingoists?

dogma wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:
Does anyone fully support everything that any country does?

Jingoists?

Does any rational person support everything that any country does?

Fun fact:

The Correlates of War data set, basically the foundation of the modern study of international politics, assigns numeric codes to all the nation mentioned within it.

The code for Israel is 666.

The end times are upon us!

I agree with Dogma, ar! this thread be a pile o gak so it be!

dogma wrote:Fun fact:

The Correlates of War data set, basically the foundation of the modern study of international politics, assigns numeric codes to all the nation mentioned within it.

The code for Israel is 666.

Maybe instead of : "Endorsement of Nazi [edit: -esque] policy by Israel. [Edit: By group of Rabbi's wives]"

It should be: "Endorsement of Nazi [edit: -esque] policy by Israel [Edit: -i Rabbi's wives]."

Why not simply this:

Letter urges Israeli girls to avoid dating Arabs

I mean, it worked well enough for CNN.

Or maybe it should just be "Controversial Stance Endorsed by Group of Radical Rabbi's Wives".

I mean, the stance is clearly racist(well, racialist, but I'm one of maybe 10 people that knows the difference), so there is no point hiding that.

dogma wrote:I mean, the stance is clearly racist(well, racialist, but I'm one of maybe 10 people that knows the difference), so there is no point hiding that.

Yeah, but at the same time, the title still makes it seem like it's encouraged by the state of Israel.

dogma wrote:

veritechc wrote:

avantgarde wrote:Well Israel does issue license plates based off ethnicity. Yellow for Israelis, white or blue plates for Palestinians.

Holy crap I did not know that.

Wait, you do know that, in this context, "Palestinian" means "citizen of the Occupied Territory", right?

Israel doesn't issue different colors of license plates to people based on the color of their skin, or the religion that they follow.

There are plenty of white Christians driving around with white Israeli plates.

If it is a regional designation that's fine. It makes much more sense.

It's a fact that Arabs in Arab countries (and even some who move to Western countries) perform honor killings. Not to mention that their tolerance of other religions (even other sects of Islam) is equivalent to that of Middle Ages Christianity. You know, back when their were open wars between Catholics and Protestants?

Islam has more violent radicals than any other religion/culture. Their are lots of radicals in other religions/cultures, but they don't go around killing people. Muslims (primarily those in the Middle East) can be dangerous. Are they all violent, murderous nut jobs? No. No one is saying that. All people are saying is be careful around them.

Yes, Israel is bigoted. That sort of happens when your nation is surrounded by people who would love to drive you out of what they perceive as their land. Israel doesn't like Arabs, Arabs don't like Israel. This isn't news and no one should be surprised when one of the sides has some extremist Rabbi/Imam spout off about how much they hate the other side.

Saying it is anything like Nazi Germany is asinine and completely ignores what the Nazis actually did.

Of course calling people "Nazis" is one of the hip things to do now.

Pete, you would do well not to use the "moral equivalence" argument with this story. A letter is not the equivalent of the methodical and barbaric way that the Nazi's went about the elimination of 6 million Jews and roughly 6 million other religious/ethnic minorities. It's not even in the same sphere.


No one lives in a vaccuum, the Israelis have had more than enough invasions and attacks happen to them to be more than apprehensive about their neighbors. Not saying it's right, but it's far too easy to sit in judgement when you don't have rockets and bombs assailing your country everyday.

Amaya wrote: It's a fact that Arabs in Arab countries (and even some who move to Western countries) perform honor killings.

It's also a fact that Americans living in America murder people.

Amaya wrote:
Their are lots of radicals in other religions/cultures, but they don't go around killing people.

This is incredibly ignorant. Look into the Tamil Tigers, the Buddhist separatists living in Tibet, or the Catalan separatists living in Spain.

Amaya wrote:
Israel doesn't like Arabs, Arabs don't like Israel.

What about the Israeli Arabs?

Are you capable of understanding that the two categories are not mutually exclusive?

Amaya wrote:
Saying it is anything like Nazi Germany is asinine and completely ignores what the Nazis actually did.

The Nazis put people into concentration camps, so did the Israelis, and so did the United States. Pretending that similar things are not at all related is just as much a disservice to the dead as making false comparisons.


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Stormrider wrote:
No one lives in a vaccuum, the Israelis have had more than enough invasions and attacks happen to them to be more than apprehensive about their neighbors. Not saying it's right, but it's far too easy to sit in judgement when you don't have rockets and bombs assailing your country everyday.

This is also true of Nazi Germany, should we not judge them either?