What happens after the 41st Millenium?

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**TheRedArmy**

Elector wrote:One Greater Daemon is hard to beat, imagine hordes of Greater Daemons, leasing endless tides of lesser Daemons, forming a great, infinite host led by the Dark Gods themselves?

For each God separately:

1) Khorne: Khorne is the fething god of blood and slaughter, and the most powerful Chaos God at that. I doubt, on the battlefield, if he was actually there, and his host, they could not stop him without a god (or several) of their own.

2) Tzeentch: Beyond how he's the master of magic and change, able to mutate the Tyranids into....other things on a whim. His crystalline labyrinth and its illusions would be very hard to penetrate if they are mindless beasts, without enough sentience to understand which is the illusions and which is the truth.

3) Nurgle: Tyranids, a strongly organic race, have proven vulnerable to bio-toxins and other afflictions (especially given the fact that everything they are or have is organic flesh), Nurgle's plagues could prove catastrophic.

4) Slaanesh: Slaanesh's realm has the circles of temptation, most of which would prove useless, until they hit the Gluttony. Also, Slaanesh turns any who perceive him into his complete slaves. Given the concept of the Hive Mind, if every Tyranid shares the same consciousness, wouldn't they all fall prey at once?

1. Perhaps you're right on Khorne. I do believe he could probably hold a single Hive Fleet on his own. But the Tyranids are best at adaptation, and if he has a weakness, they'll probably find it.

2. They are not Mindless beasts unless outside the range of their link with the Hive Mind (through the use of Synapse Creatures). As long as there are Tyrants, Zoanthropes, Warriors, etc, in range, the Tyranids still have wonderful intelligence and the millennium of intelligence, knowledge, and skill the Hive Mind as built up.

3. I don't know where you're quoting the "prove vulnerable to bio-toxins", but I do agree with you here. Nurgle could be ridiculously powerful against the Tyranids.

4. This is assuming Slaanesh is more powerful than the Hive Mind, which we don't know. I think that, even if he is, the link with the Mind would overpower Slaanesh's abilities. Remember that Tyranids have no free will - their sole thought is to follow the Hive Mind (until they lose the link and go to their base instincts).

**General Omega**

Regardless of the accuracy, I like to think that the orks and tyranids would meet in and endless brawl while all of the other races struggle for survival against the dueling hordes.

**Sir Pseudonymous**

TheRedArmy wrote:3. I don't know where you're quoting the "prove vulnerable to bio-toxins", but I do agree with you here. Nurgle could be ridiculously powerful against the Tyranids.

The Dark Eldar use poisoned weapons against them to great effect in some of their fluff, and the whole plot of DoW2 revolves around poisoning a hive fleet.

4. This is assuming Slaanesh is more powerful than the Hive Mind, which we don't know. I think that, even if he is, the link with the Mind would overpower Slaanesh's abilities. Remember that Tyranids have no free will - their sole thought is to follow the Hive Mind (until they lose the link and go to their base instincts).

The hive-mind perceives through its synapse creatures and their thralls. Were one to actually encounter Slaanesh while still connected to the rest, they'd all perceive it too.

There is also the whole "the daemon's numbers are infinite, in the literal sense of the word," thing to take into consideration. The Tyranids couldn't invade the Eye of Terror and warp (even if they wanted to), but then again Chaos couldn't really deal with them all that well outside the warp, where its resources are much more limited.

**Elector**

TheRedArmy wrote:
2. They are not Mindless beasts unless outside the range of their link with the Hive Mind (through the use of Synapse Creatures). As long as there are Tyrants, Zoanthropes, Warriors, etc, in range, the Tyranids still have wonderful intelligence and the millennium of intelligence, knowledge, and skill the Hive Mind as built up.

Yes, but Tzeentch embodies Prophecy and Manipulation, it'd be like a chess match between the two, a chess match where Tzeentch has rigged the board.

**Samus_aran115**

The fourty second millenium

**Elector**

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
TheRedArmy wrote:3. I don't know where you're quoting the "prove vulnerable to bio-toxins", but I do agree with you here. Nurgle could be ridiculously powerful against the Tyranids.

The Dark Eldar use poisoned weapons against them to great effect in some of their fluff, and the whole plot of DoW2 revolves around poisoning a hive fleet.

4. This is assuming Slaanesh is more powerful than the Hive Mind, which we don't know. I think that, even if he is, the link with the Mind would overpower Slaanesh's abilities. Remember that Tyranids have no free will - their sole thought is to follow the Hive Mind (until they lose the link and go to their base instincts).

The hive-mind perceives through its synapse creatures and their thralls. Were one to actually encounter Slaanesh while still connected to the rest, they'd all perceive it too.

There is also the whole "the daemon's numbers are infinite, in the literal sense of the word," thing to take into consideration. The Tyranids couldn't invade the Eye of Terror and warp (even if they wanted to), but then again Chaos couldn't really deal with them all that well outside the warp, where its resources are much more limited.

Exactly. I also read somewhere how Slaanesh (the embodiment of pleasure etc) is slowly growing stronger than the other gods, as while the other gods get pleasure from acts done in their name, Slaanesh is fed by that godly-pleasure, thus growing at a greater rate than the other gods. (Each other gods i fed only by acts done in their name, Slaanesh seems to be fed by any act) Which makes sense, given that he's one of the "Big Four" despite his only being born relatively recently compared to the other gods.

Technically the Tyranids could launch an invasion into the Eye (and, by extension, the Warp), the Cadian Gate, for one thing is known as a stable entrance into the Eye, one, I assume, the Tyranids could use. They would very likely lose if they were to invade it, but they could. The gods wouldn't even be weakened by the loss of the Imperium and its worshiper there, given how many devout Chaos cultists exist in the Eye on Daemon Worlds.

**Samus_aran115**

Elector wrote:1) Khorne: Khorne is the fething god of blood and slaughter, and the most powerful Chaos God at that. I doubt, on the battlefield, if he was actually there, and his host, they could not stop him without a god (or several) of their own.

Quoted for fun. Khorne is unimaginable. You could not possibly percieve the death and slaughter that he would unleash if he even barely touched the realm of the living. Nothing, not even an endless tide of orks, or a hive tendril could possibly hope of defeating him. There would be seas of blood and mountains of bones; his very presence driving any humans to suicide and slaughter.

But he doesn't ever fight. He just gets beefed up greater daemons to do his most sacred work (Ie, murdering a couple systems, destoying an entire chapter of marines, etc.), which are incredibly powerful beings themselves.

Spoiler:

In one of the ultramarines books, there was a greater daemon called the heart of blood. Nothing could possibly kill it, except a massive space marine called the omniphalos daemonium, which was a fellow servant of khorne. Apparently, there's lots of these things all over the place

Khorne is best

**Melissia**

Nothing.

The Orks get bored and leave to fight the Tyranids in their home galaxy. A few Orks being eaten is a small price to pay for all the fun they have.

The Necrons become narcoleptic again after the C'tans decide this galaxy is too dull so they go off to look for the Old Ones, who are actually extinct anyway. Then some other creature in some other galaxy eats them.

The Eldar settle their debt with Slaanesh and he stops making house calls. The Dark Eldar go back to rampant sex, torture, and other debauchery (IE, no change) but only because they enjoy it this time rather than because they have to to live.

The Tyranids decide Orks are tasty and go back home to enjoy a nice meal.

The Emperor wakes up and turns the Imperium into superhappyfunland, a galactic theme park.

The Daemons find out that the Tau are actually quit tasty, and they take the eye of terror down then recreate it over T'au so that they can start eat them instead.

**Samus_aran115**

Am I the only one who genuinely think that the old ones aren't extict? They had the power to do whatever they wanted to. It's quite likely that they just moved to another galaxy....

Like the tyranid's

Maybe the old ones created the tyranids to go back and eradicate the necrons so they can go back to our galaxy. Maybe the hive mind is an old one!

**Melissia**

You realize that I was being entirely facetious, right?

**Sir Pseudonymous**

Elector wrote:Technically the Tyranids could launch an invasion into the Eye (and, by extension, the Warp), the Cadian Gate, for one thing is known as a stable entrance into the Eye, one, I assume, the Tyranids could use. They would very likely lose if they were to invade it, but they could. The gods wouldn't even be weakened by the loss of the Imperium and its worshiper there, given how many devout Chaos cultists exist in the Eye on Daemon Worlds.

The cadian gate is the only known area that's stable enough to exit the eye of terror, you can get in from any direction. There was a warboss who did just that, after deciding that daemons were the most exciting thing to fight.

Chaos isn't really powered by worship so much as it is fueled by emotion. It is precisely the strife of the galaxy that fuels them, each in their own way, with any given plot or action trivial in a "hey, wouldn't it be fun if we turned this planet into a hole into the warp, and poured forth for a little party in realspace? Oh, someone just killed the cultists that were going to open the gate, oh well... hey, wouldn't it be fun if we turned this (other) planet into..." sort of way. They don't need their cultists' schemes as much as they see an opportunity for some fun in them, but if the galaxy were wiped bare of any life higher than some bacteria on worlds in the middle of nowhere, they would quickly wither, unless they happen to be more universal, being fed by chaos in every galaxy.

**=I= White-Wolf**

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257813.page
Grab a beer, make sure no-ones home and you have 4 or so hours to spare and read through that

. THE. BEST. THREAD. EVER!
I miss the Dark Lord so much

anyone know if he's nearly finished "from Cadia to no-where"?

**Space_Potato**

Melissia wrote:You realize that I was being entirely facetious, right?

Damn, I was looking forward to the galactic theme park

S_P

**Lostchaplain**

Samus_aran115 wrote:Am I the only one who genuinely think that the old ones aren't extict? They had the power to do whatever they wanted to. It's quite likely that they just moved to another galaxy....

Like the tyranid's Maybe the old ones created the tyranids to go back and eradicate the necrons so they can go back to our galaxy. Maybe the hive mind is an old one!

Back when I was a Redshirt (Philadelphia GW, woo) my personal theory on the 'Nids was this. Their first attempts, the eldar and the orks, failed, so they fled the galaxy, created the 'Nids (who have the capability to absorb the best features from their previous attempts) and tossed the 'Nids back at the Necrons and C'tan.

As for what comes "After", I'll vote for the White Wolf option. End it all, then create a bastardized, cannabalized version of the same world, that somehow manages to feel less cool.

Either that or the 'twist' mentioned for the HH books turns out to be that the Emperor is actually Horus, who in the present wakes up, combines Chaos with the Imperium, and kicks the rest of the races out of the galaxy. 6th ed will be the 'lesser' races competing in a wild-west style land grab in a new galaxy after being sent there, Q-style, with a snap of The Emperor Horus' fingers.

**Lexx**

purplefood wrote:The Chaos Gods have to reside in the Warp so it's unlikely/impossible for them to lead their hosts unless it's against other Warp entities.
Though if they just sent their hosts they could do it.
The Nids don't really seem to have the power to take on any 1 faction in a vaccum... actually no faction has that power.

Plus the Chaos gods have so many mortal and daemon lackeys to do their dirty work that they make them fight wars for them on the material plane. If the chaos gods could even make it to the material world it would be game over as things stand.

**1hadhq**

Yes its game over for these self proclaimed "gods" if they enter the material realm.

There is a reason why they stay where they are....

**Elector**

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Elector wrote:1) Khorne: Khorne is the fething god of blood and slaughter, and the most powerful Chaos God at that. I doubt, on the battlefield, if he was actually there, and his host, they could not stop him without a god (or several) of their own.

Quoted for fun. Khorne is unimaginable. You could not possibly percieve the death and slaughter that he would unleash if he even barely touched the realm of the living. Nothing, not even an endless tide of orks, or a hive tendril could possibly hope of defeating him. There would be seas of blood and mountains of bones; his very presence driving any humans to suicide and slaughter.

But he doesn't ever fight. He just gets beefed up greater daemons to do his most sacred work (Ie, murdering a couple systems, destoying an entire chapter of marines, etc.), which are incredibly powerful beings themselves.

Spoiler:

In one of the ultramarines books, there was a greater daemon called the heart of blood. Nothing could possibly kill it, except a massive space marine called the omniphalos daemonium, which was a fellow servant of khorne. Apparently, there's lots of these things all over the place

Khorne is best

Well, I would imagine a major reason why the gods don't just traipse around our galaxy would be the sheer difficulty in summoning them. Graeter Daemons are hard enough to unleash, imagine trying to summon the gods themselves.

I bet he'd fight if enemies came to him, since he would actually be able to.

EDIT: My quote boxes have failed me for the last time! Many Bothans died to fix this message.

**Asherian Command**

Elector wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Elector wrote:1) Khorne: Khorne is the fething god of blood and slaughter, and the most powerful Chaos God at that. I doubt, on the battlefield, if he was actually there, and his host, they could not stop him without a god (or several) of their own.

Quoted for fun. Khorne is unimaginable. You could not possibly percieve the death and slaughter that he would unleash if he even barely touched the realm of the living. Nothing, not even an endless tide of orks, or a hive tendril could possibly hope of defeating him. There would be seas of blood and mountains of bones; his very presence driving any humans to suicide and slaughter.

But he doesn't ever fight. He just gets beefed up greater daemons to do his most sacred work (Ie, murdering a couple systems, destoying an entire chapter of marines, etc.), which are incredibly powerful beings themselves.

Spoiler:

In one of the ultramarines books, there was a greater daemon called the heart of blood. Nothing could possibly kill it, except a massive space marine called the omniphalos daemonium, which was a fellow servant of khorne. Apparently, there's lots of these things all over the place

Khorne is best

Well, I would imagine a major reason why the gods don't just traipse around our galaxy would be the sheer difficulty in summoning them. Graeter Daemons are hard enough to unleash, imagine trying to summon the gods themselves.

**Exor**

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:well the nids could eat everything and only chaose would be left and id like to see the tau try to make friends with them

Yo, don't forget about the webway! There's a whole bunch of eldar living in there, and as the Nids lack a method of entering they're pretty much safe.

**Warlord Gazghkull Thraka**

I think that,realisticly,that the Emperium will fall and the Necrons will go out to destroy the entire galaxy,but the Eldar will try to hold them off, but, ultamitely, fail.

But I think the Tau will finaly get their galactic empire,holding off the other factions,and the Orks will,well... just do there thing,you know do what orks do best.

But,as I play Space Marines,I'm loyalist,and in a arrogant Imperial view,We will wipe every Xenos,Mutant and Heretic out of existence!

**Elector**

Asherian Command wrote:
Your Quote boxes have failed you.

Yeah, sorry, I looked it over again, and it turns out when I quoted Samus_aran115, he never ended the quote tag (missed the /) on my section so it put his message as a quote inside my text.

When I went to reply, it thought the quotes were still going, resulting in what looks like Samus sending one long quote of me with messed up quote boxes.

**Urien_Rakarth**

Shrouger wrote:Assuming the Imperium actually reduced its territory by 75%, they would be tremendously efficient, having no problem holding off other groups. I imagine that the worlds they still hold are now heavily populated by refugees, guardsmen, locals correct?

One thing, If you'r evacuating BILLIONS of worlds, what do you do with the polulace?

**Uhlan**

The fate of the Imperium is pre-ordained... if you believe the Horus Heresy books.