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Space_Potato wrote:Screw chainswords, I want that chain walrus.

S_P

I AM NOT A WEAPON DAMNIT I AM A MAN



If you were going to mess around with chainswords though you would have to change the wargear on quite a few armies and charge a points price for chainswords. Its not a bad idea just would be a lot of work to do. If we go this route then lets add in that all assaults must be finished in the same turn they started while we are at it.

Bastion of Mediocrity wrote:Interesting idea about the S 3.5, except it doesn't work like that for guard lieutenants right?

I know that Striking Scorpions get S4 from their chainswords, but I did not think any other models did.

I wish close combat weapons worked like WFB, where strength modified armor saves. Then you could put armour peircing on the chainswords.

Re-rolling 1's to wound is an elegant approach however.

But it does work for the officers!
Officers normally strength 2.5, and the chain sword brings them up to 3!

-Matt


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Ascalam wrote:I am sooo converting that.. I have a spare AOBR warboss i'm not using... hmmmmm

Also if Marines are S 3.5 and a chainblade makes them 4, what about Orks. Look at the relative size of human, tau, eldar etc biceps, then look at the ork. Why are orks S 3? Shouldn't a chainblade make THEM S 4?

Not all marines carry Chainswords BTW, but all are S4 or more

Bulk gives toughness, not strength, in the GW sculpting world.
Orks and Orcs both have rules that give them bonus strength; Orks when charging can use their mass for more strength; Orcs in the first round can do the same with their huge blades.

As for marines that don't carry chain swords, clearly they have spent more time at the Emperors Finest Weight Room, and are slightly stronger than the other marines.

-Matt

Norade wrote:Chainswords should actually be damned terrible at cracking armor given that they would tend to bind and throw chains when they caught something solid. For a test try cutting through
anything other than wood, like a rock or something like a car frame with a Chainsaw. No the blades aren't mono edged (not that those wouldn't dull near instantly) but nor are the materials you're cutting through up to 40k armor standards.

except flesh which I imagine would be pretty horridly mangled by such a weapon. Given flesh is the most common recipient of such a weapon, astartes and eldar are not exactly commonplace in most of the imperium, it would do a pretty good job at turning cultists, rebels and orks into unrecognizable piles of rotting meat. I think if you managed to wedge one into the soft joints of marine armor you'd sever the limb and cause massive bleeding though.

Walrus wrote:

Space_Potato wrote:Screw chainswords, I want that chain walrus.

S_P

I AM NOT A WEAPON DAMNIT I AM A MAN

But I am a weapon, and Almighty at that! Walrus ninja showdown incoming?

Luco wrote:

Norade wrote:Chainswords should actually be damned terrible at cracking armor given that they would tend to bind and throw chains when they caught something solid. For a test try cutting through
anything other than wood, like a rock or something like a car frame with a Chainsaw. No the blades aren't mono edged (not that those wouldn't dull near instantly) but nor are the materials you're cutting through up to 40k armor standards.

except flesh which I imagine would be pretty horridly mangled by such a weapon. Given flesh is the most common recipient of such a weapon, astartes and eldar are not exactly commonplace in most of the imperium, it would do a pretty good job at turning cultists, rebels and orks into unrecognizable piles of rotting meat. I think if you managed to wedge one into the soft joints of marine armor you'd sever the limb and cause massive bleeding though.

You mean just like a regular sword would, only without the noise and mechanical complexity! Besides, any armor at all will stop the damned sword, hell even the metal bands in tires would stop a real chainsaw so grimdark metal bands in armor could sure do the trick. Then with the design of the things the big bulky bits around the blade will keep penetration shallow as the 'blade' of the sword is wider than the bits that actually cut and not in a wedge shape. Then again why should we expect smarts from a chainsword fanboy...

Space_Potato wrote:Screw chainswords, I want that chain walrus.

S_P

Why have a chain walrus when you can have a CHAINBEAR!



On topic: Chainswords are, for all intents and purposes, completely undefinable nowadays. Attempting to reclassify them would render every non-powerblob IG sergeant completely unusable. Unless we want to say that the mere act of holding one makes one's CCW become a chainsword, in which case, I have about 60 IG infantry to slap a chainsaw on.

Back in Rogue Trader a Chainsword had a -1 save modifier and strength 4 whereas normal close combat weapons, well normal back then, were strength as per user and no modifier.

Maybe have the same again rather then rending, so better than a knife or sword but not as good as a power weapon?

Norade wrote:

Luco wrote:

Norade wrote:Chainswords should actually be damned terrible at cracking armor given that they would tend to bind and throw chains when they caught something solid. For a test try cutting through
anything other than wood, like a rock or something like a car frame with a Chainsaw. No the blades aren't mono edged (not that those wouldn't dull near instantly) but nor are the materials you're cutting through up to 40k armor standards.

except flesh which I imagine would be pretty horridly mangled by such a weapon. Given flesh is the most common recipient of such a weapon, astartes and eldar are not exactly commonplace in most of the imperium, it would do a pretty good job at turning cultists, rebels and orks into unrecognizable piles of rotting meat. I think if you managed to wedge one into the soft joints of marine armor you'd sever the limb and cause massive bleeding though.

You mean just like a regular sword would, only without the noise and mechanical complexity! Besides, any armor at all will stop the damned sword, hell even the metal bands in tires would stop a real chainsaw so grimdark metal bands in armor could sure do the trick. Then with the design of the things the big bulky bits around the blade will keep penetration shallow as the 'blade' of the sword is wider than the bits that actually cut and not in a wedge shape. Then again why should we expect smarts from a chainsword fanboy...

If I'm not mistaken a sword will slice through relatively cleanly where as a chainsword would cause significantly more trauma in a larger area. I'll leave it there, given you're tossing around insults after a single reply I'm not certain you are able hold a conversation. Good day.

Luco wrote:

Norade wrote:

Luco wrote:

Norade wrote:Chainswords should actually be damned terrible at cracking armor given that they would tend to bind and throw chains when they caught something solid. For a test try cutting through
anything other than wood, like a rock or something like a car frame with a Chainsaw. No the blades aren't mono edged (not that those wouldn't dull near instantly) but nor are the materials you're cutting through up to 40k armor standards.

except flesh which I imagine would be pretty horridly mangled by such a weapon. Given flesh is the most common recipient of such a weapon, astartes and eldar are not exactly commonplace in most of the imperium, it would do a pretty good job at turning cultists, rebels and orks into unrecognizable piles of rotting meat. I think if you managed to wedge one into the soft joints of marine armor you'd sever the limb and cause massive bleeding though.

You mean just like a regular sword would, only without the noise and mechanical complexity! Besides, any armor at all will stop the damned sword, hell even the metal bands in tires would stop a real chainsaw so grimdark metal bands in armor could sure do the trick. Then with the design of the things the big bulky bits around the blade will keep penetration shallow as the 'blade' of the sword is wider than the bits that actually cut and not in a wedge shape. Then again why should we expect smarts from a chainsword fanboy...

If I'm not mistaken a sword will slice through relatively cleanly where as a chainsword would cause significantly more trauma in a larger area. I'll leave it there, given you're tossing around insults after a single reply I'm not certain you are able hold a conversation. Good day.

A clean slice will still kill and is harder to knit that a ragged wound. Of course if you're not even sure enough to rebut my entire point then you're not much worth talking to anyway.

So getting back to the point of should chainsaws be rending and not are they a viable weapon. Because then you get into the world in which they have gone back to using swords and big fist. I think rerollin 1s might work as a better rule though.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Yes absolutely because Spess Mahreens NEED something to make them BETTER, clearly they're worthless atm.

You do realize that a number of armies/races besides Space marines use chain weapons right?

I miss the days when the various weapons had different in-game stats/rules.

Sadly 40K is about abstraction these days such that a hand flamer a chainsword and a pointy stick are equally lethal...

Chain-whatevers ought to have rending I think... rending just give you an autowound and +1 on penetration right? I don't think thats too op... its not like you have 10 chainswords in a marine tac squad.


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Oh wait... assault marines come with chainswords huh? hmmm maybe rending is a bit much... but they should have some rending-esque type rool... or maybe give them at least a reroll.

djphranq wrote:Chain-whatevers ought to have rending I think... rending just give you an autowound and +1 on penetration right? I don't think thats too op... its not like you have 10 chainswords in a marine tac squad.


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Oh wait... assault marines come with chainswords huh? hmmm maybe rending is a bit much... but they should have some rending-esque type rool... or maybe give them at least a reroll.

Rending also gives you an extra D3 to penetrate vehicles it is too over powered with you also hitting rear armour in CC

I want a power boot and a chain boot to go with the power fist and chain fist. Power head would be cool too.

it only autowounds on a 6, the rest can be saved. Vehicles are a problem though, chainswords maybe able to tear through enemies, but pen a dread? I think not.

Ha, stuff Spess Marhines, Striking Scorpions with rending. Nice!

But still, i think rending is too powerful, the -1 armour save modifier that Pilau Rice was on about is more like it.

Rending is a bit to far i think, it would also mean that i would have to re-gij some of my army as they have some chainswords, but a change where they took 1 off of an armour save would be quite cool, or maby increased your strength may also work.

djphranq wrote:Chain-whatevers ought to have rending I think... rending just give you an autowound and +1 on penetration right? I don't think thats too op... its not like you have 10 chainswords in a marine tac squad.

Black Templars Crusader Squads do. Not to mention Khorne Berzerkers...

ahhaaaa rending would be SO fun for my 2 squads of 10 khorne beserkers. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD (now with extra rend on the side).

TheMyrddraal wrote:ahhaaaa rending would be SO fun for my 2 squads of 10 khorne beserkers. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD (now with extra rend on the side).

... they'll almost be as good as death company

Tri wrote:

TheMyrddraal wrote:ahhaaaa rending would be SO fun for my 2 squads of 10 khorne beserkers. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD (now with extra rend on the side).

... they'll almost be as good as death company

No reason to buy power weapons for them anymore.

Stick in a Chaplain and you're set.