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What I'd like to see:

Stealth field drones (provide a bubble, 6" maybe) that reduces fire range and charge range of opponents.

BS 4 firewarriors.

Nerf markerlights, they were neat but never done well IMO.

Cheaper wargear/weapons.

A unit that doesn't get completely owned in close combat versus every other army, including IG.

I like the idea of ethereals giving FnP since every other army has spammed it lately.

New models: Plastic Barracuda.

Some idea.

agnosto wrote:
BS 4 firewarriors.

A unit that doesn't get completely owned in close combat versus every other army, including IG.

I like the idea of ethereals giving FnP since every other army has spammed it lately.

I don't think any of these really suits the Tau.

The galaxys greatest warriors get BS4, not Tau. BS3 is suitable, maybe re-roll ones or something but I don't think BS4 fits. Cheaper firewarriors is much more reasonable IMHO.

I'd say give Crisis and Stealth teams hit and run, however Tau have completely stayed away from CC in the fluff. I can understand if they adapted to cope, but it still doesn't fit and close combat is part of the reason of kroot.

Finally, I don't believe every other army spamming FNP makes it reasonable for the Tau to do so. Ethereals obviously need a boost, but I don't think FNP is suitable personally.

That's just my opinion of course...

Yes, but every other new army has loads, so...

... So? Tau should start Deep-striking Hammerheads? The Space Pope should cause Abbadon the Despoiler to wet himself and lose stats just at the sight of him? Tau should all gain Counter-attack and 2 CCW's for free?

In keeping with current trends in codex design, all 1+ requirements disappear. Additionally, gun drones become troops, making it possible to field a Tau army with no scoring units just like the Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Tyranids can.

There will be an upgrade to give FNP to squads, but it's only available to Kroot shapers.

Give my kroot some damn grenades already, they come on the spure and yet not in the codex... seriously.

Cheaper stuff all around.

BS 4 perhaps? I mean tau spend their whole lives focusing on shooting, and nothing else.

Markerlight system rework.

Ethereals worth a damn?

Vespid gain rending?

I can't think of much else that stands out

Just Dave wrote:

agnosto wrote:
BS 4 firewarriors.

A unit that doesn't get completely owned in close combat versus every other army, including IG.

I like the idea of ethereals giving FnP since every other army has spammed it lately.

I don't think any of these really suits the Tau.

The galaxys greatest warriors get BS4, not Tau. BS3 is suitable, maybe re-roll ones or something but I don't think BS4 fits. Cheaper firewarriors is much more reasonable IMHO.

I'd say give Crisis and Stealth teams hit and run, however Tau have completely stayed away from CC in the fluff. I can understand if they adapted to cope, but it still doesn't fit and close combat is part of the reason of kroot.

Finally, I don't believe every other army spamming FNP makes it reasonable for the Tau to do so. Ethereals obviously need a boost, but I don't think FNP is suitable personally.

That's just my opinion of course...

What are we defining as CC here?

Because Tau have historically had no issues in using Pulse Carbines in short range firefights, down to when most would be to blades and grenades.

That's the biggest thing I'd do. Carbines becoming more like shotguns and/or allow shooting during close combat.

Tau should still be majorly nerfed in the CC phase, but should have army-wide Hit and Run. Seems appropriate that they should be allowed to flee an enemy that has tarpitted them. It would, in some ways, compensate for their lack of melee prowess.

Grenades becoming standard issue is definately something that's gonna happen. BS4, though, not so much. Tau Weapons are quite powerful, so it would make them otherwise dominate during the shooting phase.

They should have some sort of fire platform, an Open topped vehicle that lets them shoot to their hearts content while giving them relentless.

Among the other things they should have: Cover save negators that are feasable for most squads and a reliable method of retreating after they've Hit and Run'd.

Maybe Tetras will also make it into the codex, akin to Guardian Jetbikes as a sort of fast Objective Capper.

If I recall anything that is true (e.g. not the wishlistingstorms we've all seen in prievous months), it's that it was penciled in for August of this year.

That pencilled in date was prolly moved out of the way due to GK/DE/'Nid waves/ Fantasy stuff that deserve a upgrade more.

chaos0xomega wrote:Yeah, if you're an employee/editor, which I doubt very much, explain why you posted this thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/338166.page

You should already know, shouldn't you?

I've seen a lot of things things online, but I think thats the most ridiculous.

OK lol...you got me. I was a trollin!

didn't work too well I guess.

Kanluwen wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

agnosto wrote:
BS 4 firewarriors.

A unit that doesn't get completely owned in close combat versus every other army, including IG.

I like the idea of ethereals giving FnP since every other army has spammed it lately.

I don't think any of these really suits the Tau.

The galaxys greatest warriors get BS4, not Tau. BS3 is suitable, maybe re-roll ones or something but I don't think BS4 fits. Cheaper firewarriors is much more reasonable IMHO.

I'd say give Crisis and Stealth teams hit and run, however Tau have completely stayed away from CC in the fluff. I can understand if they adapted to cope, but it still doesn't fit and close combat is part of the reason of kroot.

Finally, I don't believe every other army spamming FNP makes it reasonable for the Tau to do so. Ethereals obviously need a boost, but I don't think FNP is suitable personally.

That's just my opinion of course...

What are we defining as CC here?

Because Tau have historically had no issues in using Pulse Carbines in short range firefights, down to when most would be to blades and grenades.

That's the biggest thing I'd do. Carbines becoming more like shotguns and/or allow shooting during close combat.

To me, that's what I'd define as Close Quarters rather than Close Combat.

Sword = Close Combat.
Shotgun = Close Quarters.

As much as it pains me i dont believe it will come before the BRB is updated next. Might get an FAQ in the mean time, just like BT's & DA did.

My brother was hoping for this, and I kind of agree with him: It would be cool if you bought, not a Suit for your HQ choice, but a Commander, and then you got to purchase a different suit for him. So you could have a Stealth Suit Commander, a Broadside Commander, or a Crisis Commander. Would just allow more flexibility in the Army, me thinks.

In my Opinion...

- Kroot will get a boost - at least 2 attacks, more survivability
- Firewarriors will get their BS upped by one (I forget what it's at now.)
- Honor Guard will get a bump up so that they aren't just normal firewarriors. Maybe an elite unit that is worth taking the Ethereal?
- Ninja-o (close combat CSC) will be nerfed out of existance (because lol... Just lol)
- Vespids will get a boost - I'm thinking a hard-hitting one-time CC unit, meant to take out transports and whatever is in them.
- The wargear will get cleaned up (duh)
- The fluff will be updated (Dark Eldar Raid, Tyranid assault) with a Greater Good Twist, of course.
- Lastly, I'm thinking some kind of armor-hunting drone type.

I would expect more diverse allies, then just kroot and vespid, I would reckon 2-3 new units of them. Greater Knarloc or Knarloc riders would be possible.

If all FW have EMP at least that would make walkers think twice about assaulting them.

Deathbysoup wrote:As much as it pains me i dont believe it will come before the BRB is updated next. Might get an FAQ in the mean time, just like BT's & DA did.

Frankly I would rather it didn't get updated before the next BRB.

I think 6th edition can be expected in 2012 or 13. A Tau codex in late 2011 -- at the earliest will be invalidated rather quickly, as both the last two Tau codexes were.

Obviously a Tau codex issued at the beginning of 6th edition will be outclassed by the usual power creep, but it would still be better than a late 5th edition codex, in which half the rules get invalidated by the new edition so that the Tau have to fight on for three to five more years with a completely out of date book.

You raise a good point Kilkrazy, but I would rather have a 5e dex sooner. That's my personal opinion, me having no patience and not wanting to wait til 2013 for a new codex.
That said, I heard that GW planned to catch up all the codices before moving on? is this true?

Kilkrazy wrote:
Frankly I would rather it didn't get updated before the next BRB.

I concur. I have a horrible feeling that if the Tau Empire codex is updated before the sixth edition then some horrible scenarios could occur, my worst nightmare being that in the next edition jetpack troops lose Relentless, leaving my beloved Fire Knives badly nerfed.

In the current Tau Empire codex it hints that the XV22 suit will eventually become more widely available (if it performs well), so I wouldn't be surprised if it makes its way in as an option for Shas'els/Shas'os, possibly even for entire squads (in the same way the XV25 came along with the current book). Also we may even see the Forge World XV9s coming to the codex.

Another point is GWs current trend of adding flyer-type vehicles into the newer codices, so will this bring about the inclusion of the Remora, the Barracuda or an entirely new vehicle all together?

I would love to see an option for the hammerhead that is 2 ion cannons for 20 pts, that would be really nice...

I want the ability to shoot into models locked in Close Combat. Throw some kroot into CC and then shoot the whole mob thats stuck there. You would lose your own models along with theirs but even if it was stealth suits or FW's locked in CC, it's all for the greater good!

Someone once mentioned that Tau should have a counter against assaults. Something like if being assaulted, they make a LD test and if they pass, they can rapid fire into the assaulters or at least shoot into the assaulters before CC strikes are made.

That would stay at least fluffy and would wittle down attackers

Look at the Evade! Evade! rule I suggested and the comments about it.

Vasarto wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Yeah, if you're an employee/editor, which I doubt very much, explain why you posted this thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/338166.page

You should already know, shouldn't you?

I've seen a lot of things things online, but I think thats the most ridiculous.

OK lol...you got me. I was a trollin!

didn't work too well I guess.

I thank you for your honesty, now back under your bridge

How about if they put human troops back in the codex! Its on army builder!
Or a new design for their devil fish ship, Like one fitted for shooting at multi units. Like a STR 6 AP 4 Heavy 15 Gun ship that can target up to three different units and spread its shots evenly amung them.

That is what I would like to see. Make Tau more able to target as many different units so that their multitrackers and capablility to do so is improved.

Vasarto wrote:How about if they put human troops back in the codex! Its on army builder!

BACK in the Codex?! Correct me if I'm wrong, but they were NEVER in the Codex!


I think KK has raised a good point in regards to when they'd get released though; there's a very fine time-span between being made late in 5th edition, for fifth edition, or being made late 5th edition for 6th edition (akin to Daemons).
The latter of the two would be just fine. The former would be as KK feared.

I don't think Tau neccaserily need a buff in CC. Obviously that's their weak point, but as we all know, it's supposed to be. If Kroot were a bit tougher (Knarlocs more common?) and/or there's another auxiliary unit, that could compensate.
Obviously though, they need to be cheaper almost throughout and firepower needs a buff.
Personally, I think 7pts firewarriors with their current stats is a good deal...

Most Tau players agree that Tau should not be made better at melee. Instead, they should be made better at avoiding melee by shooting and moving away.

There are many ways these objectives could be achieved. Making the core Troops cheaper and giving them grenades will not do it.

Personally, I completely agree with the first part.

To me - although I admit, despite owning the Codex I'm not a Tau player - their auxiliary units (eg. Kroot) being their melee troops is perfectly reasonable and I believe it's fair if the core troop is solved through grenades and cheaper.
Devilfish will invariably be cheaper; therefore giving them better manoeuvrability options.
I believe that if other units in the army have ways of avoiding close combat, such as Battlesuits/Stealth Suits having hit and run for example, that it's fair if the core firewarrior unit in the army is comparatively more vulnerable, yet still superior to the existing version and able to mech-up with greater ease.

I still think the best solution to making Fire Warriors actually "close combatable" is them being able to actually use Pulse Carbines in close combat.

Maybe, but then you have to take them instead of pulse rifles, which nobody would do.

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