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Lord PoPo wrote:Can we just bring back battlefleet Gothic and keep 40k a game for ground pounders? Please?

+1 i dont feel the need to add flyers really, could be cool modeling oppertunites though, mabye

Platuan4th wrote:If that's really all the releases, I'll grab a Harpy and Nightwing just cause.

Karon wrote:Grabbing...37 Harpies?

Until then, I take a risk and make this Reaper Goroloth my Harpy: Finally a reason to buy this model

I'm with HBMC on this: if they're not going to make plastic kits for any of the iconic fliers, this expansion won't even provide something cool to look at.

Kroothawk wrote:Until then, I take a risk and make this Reaper Goroloth my Harpy: Finally a reason to buy this model

http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/03533_w_3.jpg

Ooh! It's a Abeloth!

AlexHolker wrote:I'm with HBMC on this: if they're not going to make plastic kits for any of the iconic fliers, this expansion won't even provide something cool to look at.

Kroothawk wrote:Until then, I take a risk and make this Reaper Goroloth my Harpy: Finally a reason to buy this model

http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/03533_w_3.jpg

Ooh! It's a Abeloth!

im a noob, i know, but what the hell is that? x)

D and D creature - Aboleth- kindof a big intelligent psionic slimy fish with 3 eyes..

ahhh ok ty

So this is like Spearhead but with Flyers?

Ozymandias wrote:So this is like Spearhead but with Flyers?

Looks like it.

Hope stickmonkey is 100% wrong. I want a flyers rule set that has DOGFIGHTS! And tons of new fighters! At minimum, a flyer for EVERY army. And add in Thundebolts/ Remoras/ Nightwings. Stuff that can actually dogfight and not just be a helicopter/ gunship thing.

AlexHolker wrote:Ooh! It's a Abeloth!

Not quite, but not far away either. And I will give it psychic flight to detract from missing large wings



And I wouldn't give up hope for flyers for all fractions. There have been independent rumours on many of them, including Thunderhawk, Harpy, Nightwing and Barracuda. E.g. here:

BrassScorpion wrote:One of the customers at my local store said he recently took the tour of the GW studio and the person walked him past an area by mistake that is not normally included in the tour. The new fliers were on display, new SoB model and more. He said there's a flier for virtually every 40K army out there, which is the second time I've heard that now from two different sources. And I've heard the "summer of fliers" bit from yet another very reliable person too. Let's hope some of this cool new stuff is released sooner rather than later.

Rumours still too vague to tell what exactly and when.

While this seems a bit more likely than a new flier for every single race being on the way, it does somewhat go against the FW/GW overlap policy which keeps me fairly suspicious. FW are supposed to be stand alone as far as models go, they aren't supposed to make stuff which appears in actual 40k codices other than addons and conversion kits (hence no Thunderwolves etc). If GW are planning on releasing rules for several models which technically they don't produce (which is the current trend, and while its slightly annoying it beats waiting forever for rules to be updated while they wait for the models) then they are are basically deliberately screwing up the system that they put in place.

lord_blackfang wrote:I would buy as many plastic Fighta-Bommas as I could fit in my apartment. Alas...

Agreed.


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Lord PoPo wrote:Can we just bring back battlefleet Gothic and keep 40k a game for ground pounders? Please?

Quiet you, I want to be able to field my 40K scale Kill Krooza!

I just need to rent an auditorium...

@Kilkrazy
Yeah, a Barracuda would have been a lot cooler.

I agree with all of the other Tau players that for a "Summer of Flyers" the Remora Drone Fighter is a bit uninspired. That said, I'm surprised at the lack of respect for the plucky little guy as he is played today in Apoc. Due to the Remora being a flyer and having a stealth field, the darn thing is almost impossible to even target, let alone take down. Also, being a flyer, it always hits side armor so its burst cannons make for perfect Chimera-breakers and they also fill a support role by acting as Seeker Missile platforms. Add in the Networked Markerlight and the thing, while expensive, is fantastic in a dedicated anti-transport role. The only thing that could make Remoras better is giving the Burst Cannons an AA mount (which probably should've been done to begin with considering its supposed to be a FIGHTER to shoot down other aircraft).

Anyways, back to the actual topic. This update, while much more believable is entirely disappointing. No Thunderhawk (though that was a massive longshot to begin with), no Thunderbolt, no Barracuda, no Fighta or Fighta Bommer, no Hell Blade. The only ones that really have anything to be excited for are IG players with a Hydra kit and Eldar/Dark Eldar with their flyer kits. I would've thought that GW would realize after Dark Eldar that a great set of new models will draw people in better then rules, but I guess they didn't see the DE success that way.

Personally as a Dark eldar player I look foward to more flying card board boxes. But I'm not sure I believe this one as it said "No Space Marine kit"

GW not making more space marines is pure insanity. Thats like telling a fish not to swim

You know what makes me sad about the Storm Raven, what really makes me sad?

We could have had this:



Or this



Instead we got this



Boxy doesn't have to mean bad. GW can do good boxy. But they chose not to.

I like that first one Kyoto. Would make a cool plastic kit.

I want me a thunderbolt!

This is very disapointing.... Without the load of plastic kits that were rumored I can't get excited about this.

Zoom! Zoom!



(mad props to Age of Egos)

+1 for the Chibi Kyoto-Hawk!

Kroothawk wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:If that's really all the releases, I'll grab a Harpy and Nightwing just cause.

Karon wrote:Grabbing...37 Harpies?

Until then, I take a risk and make this Reaper Goroloth my Harpy: Finally a reason to buy this model

I have 3 of them, I'm converting them to be rhinox riders in my ogre kingdoms army (I play Sea Ogres...)

Why is there such a large size difference between those two sculpts?

Hope stickmonkey is 100% wrong. I want a flyers rule set that has DOGFIGHTS! And tons of new fighters! At minimum, a flyer for EVERY army. And add in Thundebolts/ Remoras/ Nightwings. Stuff that can actually dogfight and not just be a helicopter/ gunship thing.

Its called aeronautica imperialis. Its produced by forgeworld. You're never going to be able to get a good dogfighting game in using the 40k ruleset, it just can't represent the fast paced and reactionary nature of air combat.

Is Aeronautica any good? I would love to be able to simulate an air raid with troop movements in 40k.

I highly doubt they will make 40K rules but can see Apoc rules.

Aesthetically, the Remora will add nothing to my Tau army. I'm really hoping for any of our other aircraft instead.

I don't see a summer of fliers. Even the DE "aircraft" while getting models for them sounds cool, what is this summer of fliers going to do? provide a set of "conversion" rules to make some skimmers into apoc-esque fliers? Considering we have never seen conversion rules before, and every expansion to date is simply a force org/ deployment set with some "strategems" thrown in, I just can't see this expansion being done. More likley, they will just complete the dark eldar model lineup, and then continue onto GK necrons or whatever. Also keep in mind, the last model releases for the last expansions were I believe, spearhead: "repackaged" IG lemun russ/demolisher/basilisk, a tank cmndr and some eldar bits. Planetstrike just released some crater terrain and the bastion set, cityfight as far as I can recall, was just the "imperial sector" buildings. So considering all this, for GW to suddenly change tac, and release new models for every race, plus a whole new set of rules (including "conversion" for existing skimmers)..... Just not likley. If I'm wrong I'll gladly eat my words and fall into line to buy the ruleset/models..... but, my gut says no. And I trust my gut more then GW or rumors about GW.

CT GAMER wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:I would buy as many plastic Fighta-Bommas as I could fit in my apartment. Alas...

Agreed.


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Lord PoPo wrote:Can we just bring back battlefleet Gothic and keep 40k a game for ground pounders? Please?

Quiet you, I want to be able to field my 40K scale Kill Krooza!

I just need to rent an auditorium...

Mate, check this gak out.

http://www.d-company-wi.com/forum6/1826.html

Also, just putting my 2 cents in, I have to agree with everyone here that us Tau players are being shorthanded with the Remora (provided the rumours are true) while they are effective on the battlefield, they're just not as appealing. Me, personally, I want to learn more about the Tau AIR CASTE, not more drones - which are all essentially the same thing. And I want to be able to field an army that utilizes them, that, and the Barracuda is just such a nice model, looks 'tau-ish' and is a LOT harder to convert than our Remora drones.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:You know what makes me sad about the Storm Raven, what really makes me sad?

We could have had this:



Or this



Instead we got this



Boxy doesn't have to mean bad. GW can do good boxy. But they chose not to.

It looks like they took the worst parts out of the two and stuck them together. Although the narmcharm of the Chibihawk is slowly growing on me.

Happygrunt wrote:I like that first one Kyoto. Would make a cool plastic kit.

It has, but the model is a bit damaged
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440156a&prodId=prod80001a

chaos0xomega wrote:Why is there such a large size difference between those two sculpts?

The one in the front is the new release Goroloth Drone.

Happygrunt wrote:Is Aeronautica any good? I would love to be able to simulate an air raid with troop movements in 40k.

Well, FW is putting Aernonautica and Epic on hold, not releasing new stuff for a while.

BrookM wrote:Hydra cha cha cha! Thunderbolt cha cha cha! I'll have a squadron of each please when they go live!

oh boy... a squadron of Thunderbolts, that would be lovely!

If all these rumors are true, it's going to be dissapointing IMHO. Will it be the end or the start of a new WH40K era ? If it's going to be like Spearhead, it won't work... in my local stores I've yet to see a game of Spearhead or of City Fight.

I'm pouring salt all over this for 3 reasons.

1. It's Stickmonkey
2. Combined DE Raven/Eldar Nightwing kit
3. NOTHING for Space Marines.

1. Every time he posts, my opinion of Stickmonkeys reliability lessens. As far as I can tell, he's NEVER got anything right. On the other hand, he's gotten at least 2 very very wrong: xenos terrain and the Nid codex. I'm not one for atributing to malice what could be simple naivete, so I'm willing to suspect his "source" is just a git taking the mickey. However this doesnt make his rumours any more reliable

2. This is very odd. Why make a two race kit when the vehicles aren't parallels? The only precedent I can think of for cross-race kits is the vindicator, and at least that was the same tank. From what I understand, the Void ravens natural parallel is the Phoenix (both bombers) while the Eldar Nightwing is closer to the Dark Eldar Ravenwing (from the art, their silhuette is near identical). Doing it the way the rumour describes is bizarre to me.

3. Space marines ALWAYS get something. They are the star attraction. Even if they get no models they would get some special rule, or AA missiles for Whirlwinds, or the rumoured addition of Stormravens to every marine army. If they're gonna print rules for Forgeworld models, why not give out some for the thunderhawk?

Just my thoughts