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Well, we'll see.

For sure the Marines already have the new toy... the Stormraven and they might get some with the Flier Rules... but only with them.

If that's the case, it's going to be dissapointing.

SonicPara wrote:That said, I'm surprised at the lack of respect for the plucky little guy as he is played today in Apoc. Due to the Remora being a flyer and having a stealth field, the darn thing is almost impossible to even target, let alone take down. Also, being a flyer, it always hits side armor so its burst cannons make for perfect Chimera-breakers and they also fill a support role by acting as Seeker Missile platforms. Add in the Networked Markerlight and the thing, while expensive, is fantastic in a dedicated anti-transport role. The only thing that could make Remoras better is giving the Burst Cannons an AA mount (which probably should've been done to begin with considering its supposed to be a FIGHTER to shoot down other aircraft).

It's not that it's not an effective unit. You can imagine all the other cool armies in this expansion getting hot-shot pilots of daring do sitting on 10 tons of solid rocket thruster... Tau get a robot dinner plate that fights dirty. Just doesn't have any oomph. I'd be tickled pink if I could get a plastic Barracuda leading a squadron of plastic Remora drones- that would be cool. But don't give me the disposable cans as my only choice.

Did SMs get anything for Spearhead? Don't remember now...

GW: Guess what guys! Got some great stuff coming! Summer of Fliers!
Customer: Wow! That's awesome. What's it about?
GW: It's like Spearhead or even Planetstrike, with new rules for flyers, special missions, formations, the works. Remora Drones. Fighta Bomberz. Hell Talons. Thunderbolts. Nightwings!
Customer: That sounds amazing! So which of those is coming out first?
GW: None of them.
Customer: W... bu... ah... huh?
GW: None. We don't have any models for this release. Forge World makes a whole range of flyers though.
Customer: But... why would you... huh?
GW: Make sure you buy the White Dwarf.
Customer: *walks away*

I am thankful that Stickmonkey posts rumors at all, even if he is being fed disinformation (probabally so that they can track back rumors to him if he says something he isn't supposed to).

About the flyers, I'm not too thrilled about it. Total BS, like HMBC said. I'd much rather have another codex release instead of this drivel.

It's more that you are forced to buy overpriced FW crap if you want to be in on this.

BrookM wrote:It's more that you are forced to buy overpriced FW crap if you want to be in on this.

agreed but if your gaurd you have hydra cannons to take down flyers without much trouble to be honest =/

ExarchCain wrote:

Mate, check this gak out.

http://www.d-company-wi.com/forum6/1826.html

Nice...

Clumpski wrote:

BrookM wrote:It's more that you are forced to buy overpriced FW crap if you want to be in on this.

agreed but if your gaurd you have hydra cannons to take down flyers without much trouble to be honest =/

Which if this is the way they go, is also an overpriced piece of FW crap with uber-warped barrels. Unless they allow Manticores and pintle-mounts to go AA in this expansion.

H.B.M.C. wrote:GW: Guess what guys! Got some great stuff coming! Summer of Fliers!
Customer: Wow! That's awesome. What's it about?
GW: It's like Spearhead or even Planetstrike, with new rules for flyers, special missions, formations, the works. Remora Drones. Fighta Bomberz. Hell Talons. Thunderbolts. Nightwings!
Customer: That sounds amazing! So which of those is coming out first?
GW: None of them.
Customer: W... bu... ah... huh?
GW: None. We don't have any models for this release. Forge World makes a whole range of flyers though.
Customer: But... why would you... huh?
GW: Make sure you buy the White Dwarf.
Customer: *walks away*

You are aware that last year we had just ONE GW flyer model and that between February and June there are THREE more confirmed flyers to come, with the Dark Eldar flyers having a good chance to be used as Eldar Flyers as well! Even without that and any other releases, that would be an increase of 300%.

And I believe the rumours that we will see some more this year, including the Harpy. Remember, WD doesn't publish pure FW supplements. So have some faith, even when the current set of stickmonkey's rumours sound weaker that previous rumour sets.

BrookM wrote:

Clumpski wrote:

BrookM wrote:It's more that you are forced to buy overpriced FW crap if you want to be in on this.

agreed but if your gaurd you have hydra cannons to take down flyers without much trouble to be honest =/

Which if this is the way they go, is also an overpriced piece of FW crap with uber-warped barrels. Unless they allow Manticores and pintle-mounts to go AA in this expansion.

i know what you mean about the warped barrels, my mate bought 2 tiger sharks, the one with 2 heavy rail guns, all 3 were warped =/ and the engins wouldnt fit without some major modifications, and after what he just paid for them were reluctant to do it o.o (over a year ago)

Oh nice, it's Fighta slash Bomba now I see. Hope that means they'll put the parts for both into the kit.

All a bit meh to me Im afraid. Smells like another spearhead expansion subbed with flyers. Ho hum.

what was the spearhead expansion, i heard the name before is started collecting and literally NOTHING ELSE about it o.o

Pour vous

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=14900008a

ahh thank you

Happygrunt wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:So this is like Spearhead but with Flyers?

Looks like it.

Hope stickmonkey is 100% wrong. I want a flyers rule set that has DOGFIGHTS! And tons of new fighters! At minimum, a flyer for EVERY army. And add in Thundebolts/ Remoras/ Nightwings. Stuff that can actually dogfight and not just be a helicopter/ gunship thing.

You're talking about a separate game, really.

Fliers only have relevance to core 40K to the extent that they can do ground attack.

It would take hardly any extra rules to allow a flier to have lots of movement, be nearly immune to ground fire except for dedicated anti-aircraft guns, and dish out scathe.

That gives a reason for fliers, and an excuse to give every faction a flier model and an AA gun model. People would buy them if they were cool and/or tactically useful.

A proper dogfighting game would need a new set of rules and models, and needn't interact with 40K at all. It would probably be more interesting as a standalone game, though having written good dogfight rules you could easily do an intergration to 40K, for people who wanted to have fighters attacking ground attack planes.

Gargskull wrote:Oh nice, it's Fighta slash Bomba now I see. Hope that means they'll put the parts for both into the kit.

Shouldn't be too hard, seeing as the Bomba is nothing more than a Fighta, but with extended wings, a turret behind the cockpit and a larger tail section. Other than that, same kit.

Gargskull wrote:Oh nice, it's Fighta slash Bomba now I see. Hope that means they'll put the parts for both into the kit.

Read the first post again, slowly.

Non codex releases...
Ork fighta/bomma

Suspected non codex releases will only be rules...models already FW...

Meh, I was excited for this, but it ended in inevitable dissapointment. Just a sub-par expansion that nobody will end up playing without model support.

How can you say that when it's not out?

All we have is a vague rumour.

That's all we ever have.

Of course, if any other company was going to have a 'Summer of Fliers' they might actually advertise that fact in an attempt to drum up interest and sales.

Any other company.

I'm still curious about this...while I am keeping my fingers crossed for a plastic kit, this rumor suddenly makes me feel a lot better about sinking so much time into my scratch-built Thunderbolt.

I agree with the others who are saying this would work better as an Apocalypse expansion. Honestly, I think Apoc could use a shot in the arm, as it has been quite a while since there has been any major releases or battreps for it. Of course, the fact that it makes sense means nothing in the face of GW business practices...

It seems to me that the people in this thread either don't know, or don't beleive that GW owns ForgeWorld, cause just as a point of interest... they do!

It is profitable for them to have them done by forgeworld first to see the demand. If everyone and there mother started mass ordering from FW to get these fliers, then GW might be more inclined to make more plastics of them/a way to mass produce them to keep the backlogs on FW to a minimum (I guarentee once their hardcores stop placing orders for Titans under the impression that they will have to wait for 6months of backlog before even having their 500+$ model made, GW will start making the plastics) instead of investing heavily in making 10k remoras and 50k thunderbolts to sit in stores and collect dust (see: Ork Stompa).

They are basically just trying to avoid another Spearhead/Apoc Reload incident to avoid taking drastic $ hits for overproducing things that many gamers may not want to include in their normal games. If it is extremely successful, I stongly believe GW will start making the plastics for them (as with the DE success and the Baneblades initial reaction from DoW/Apoc1) and we can probably expect seeing rules for fliers being completely(or at least partially) integrated into the 6th Edition rulebook (see: Cityfight). Planetstrike/ApocReload/Spearhead's failures however, probably won't make the cut.

I mean, it doesnt take a historian to see the patterns in these rumors/release strategy. Just buy your fliers from FW (or a FW reseller/ebay, I got 3 Talons, 2 Blades, and 3 Ravens for a grand total of around 125$ via Ebay, and they were all still in packaging except 1, and I love the paint job on it anyway) keep enthusiasm strong for the New Flyer Rules (by keeping your local groups interested in playing it, even it that means letting them use "paper airplanes as proxies") and as long as GW knows things as selling, they will make the plastics in good time.

I actually think it is best to do it this way (instead of either releaseing all the fliers in some book that you really are only buying to get the rules for 2-3 flyer units or waiting until each codex gets updated) I just really hope they don't exclude market portions (such as Necrons, Tyranids, and Daemons) as that would probably lead to a "Planetstrike" failure quagmire.

~DAR

P.S. To anyone complaining about the SMs only having potentially 1 flier (I.E. the Stormraven) I suggest you review the rules for that model again before filing any more complaints (as it is the ONLY transport other then SHTs from Apoc that can hold MULTIPLE DIFFERENT units in it, and btw, that extra unit is an emperor-damned WALKER)! I'd take the Stormraven over the crappy Hell-Talon ANY day...

I was interested when I first heard about the "Summer of Fliers" but I'm afraid that GW will do what they did with the "Spearhead" release last year. My first thought was, "My, that's an ambitious title." If the latest rumors are true, they'll miss another opportunity to get my money by failing to support an army I care anything about.

It must be nice to be an IG player as this will be the second summer they get new models whereas my Tau will continue to sit on the shelf I suppose.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:It seems to me that the people in this thread either don't know, or don't beleive that GW owns ForgeWorld, cause just as a point of interest... they do!

Really? That's what you take from this thread? That we don't get how FW and GW interact? Who has actually said anything like that?

Kind of hard to get excited about the Harpy. If they had brought out the Harpy back in 3rd or even 4th Edition, when units were more vulnerable to barbed stranglers (as in less transports) and Venom Cannons had some kick to them, I would have been excited. Now, it is kind of Meh. I would rather them spend their time on Tervigons, Parasites, Primes, and Spore Pods.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:It seems to me that the people in this thread either don't know, or don't beleive that GW owns ForgeWorld, cause just as a point of interest... they do!

Really? That's what you take from this thread? That we don't get how FW and GW interact? Who has actually said anything like that?

To add to HBMC, they get that GW owns FW.

However, FW resin pieces are significantly more expensive than thier GW plastic/pewter counterpart. In addition, for those of us who don't live in GB, thier is added overseas shipping. In many cases, the casting of the resin is of lower quality than its plastic counterparts, having a higher propensity for voids, partial fills, air bubbles, and excessive flashing. Plastic is easier to convert than resin and weighs less, making it easier to magnatize...also, I don't need to wear a Hazmat Mask when sawing/sanding plastic.

wyomingfox wrote:Kind of hard to get excited about the Harpy. If they had brought out the Harpy back in 3rd or even 4th Edition, when units were more vulnerable to barbed stranglers (as in less transports) and Venom Cannons had some kick to them, I would have been excited. Now, it is kind of Meh. I would rather them spend their time on Tervigons, Parasites, Primes, and Spore Pods.

yep. The harpy is a fire-magnet, that does nothing and can take little damage. I reckon they should have released wings and another, straight tail, and a flying base, giving you the option of having a harpie or a trygon.

Happygrunt wrote:Is Aeronautica any good? I would love to be able to simulate an air raid with troop movements in 40k.

Aeronautica is actually a lot of fun and an insanely tactical game. And it has alternating activations, which I love.

wyomingfox wrote:Kind of hard to get excited about the Harpy. If they had brought out the Harpy back in 3rd or even 4th Edition, when units were more vulnerable to barbed stranglers (as in less transports) and Venom Cannons had some kick to them, I would have been excited. Now, it is kind of Meh. I would rather them spend their time on Tervigons, Parasites, Primes, and Spore Pods.

And how about a plastic Harridan? Just wishlisting

And GW management has a difficult relationship to FW, mostly saying what FW/Warhammer Forge is NOT allowed to do (like doing no full Squads but conversion kits, no Necrons, no CHaos Dwarf standards. Or remember Apocalypse, when FW was unprepared for the unexpected rush on their products ("What? You mentioned our products in WD and made a supplement where they can be used? Why didn't you inform us!") while GW sales declined as every year?

And concerning the "no models" argument: Time for my Barracuda to get some prectice