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And what about the rumors of the "Blessed" Psychic ability? The ability to up the armor value of any facing by 2 seems like exactly what the Storm Raven needs.

By deploying and maneuvering correctly, as well as dropping of troops with Skies of Blood (if they have it) for a bit of a retreat, you'll essentially have a flying Land Raider that ignores meltas, as long as you keep it facing the right direction.

Add that to the rumors of 2 W termie models, and you have a scary mobile unit I think...

shealyr wrote:*COUGH* Grey Knight Terminators *COUGH*

Supposedly GKTs will be able to take TH/SS in the new codex. If a few of those combined with NFW, WS5, and 2+ armor doesn't make for a dedicated assault unit, well, I don't know what does.

GKTs can take TH/SS in the current, outdated codex. I usually will run a mixed unit in case I need some extra anti-armor capability.

Yah except the current guys have stormshield with a 4+ invul that can be used VS one opponent in CC only.

So, if we consider that the leaked codex is likely the core of the new codex with a few changes here and there, what look like a viable build / good choices?

Power Armoured Grey knights good?
Is it worth taking the 150pt Special Character with average rules to make the Elite PAGK troops?

Paladins?
Terminators?

Nothing really looks good, in the sense of Space Wolf level 'Ardness.

For competitive 'pure' GK, I think the internet is likely to settle on Mordrack and Ghost Terms, GKST, and Dread Knights or Purifiers and the SC that makes them troops and Dread Knights/Purgation Squads.

That's just my guess, as I've been picking over what'll make this codex 'good', and while I don't think it's actually great, it should be workable in most situations.

The truly competitive build out of this playtest dex, assuming that 95% of the leaked stuff makes it to final copy, is Coteaz, 6x Inq squads in chimeras, and Assassin/Dreadknight support.

That is literally all you need. If you want, you can throw in some Purifiers for anti horde capability and a Termie Libby just for psychic fun or a GMGK just to scout/score the Dreadknights, but seriously the special weapon spam that 60 henches are capable of coupled with a Vindicare and 3 T7 MCs with DK loadouts and special abilities is a nasty hard army.

As much as I like competitive lists, I am sick of taking swaths of lovingly painted models off the board with my IG, so I will not be fielding wenchmen in large numbers. In any case, you wont be able to fit 3 DK, 50 wenches and their chimeras, and a vindicare in a 2000 list. 3 DK unupgraded is already 390 points. Vindicare is an extra 145. Thats 535 points gone. You have 1465 left to fit 60 henchmen, their special weapons, and their chimeras. Or am I interpreting this wrong?

60 melta/plas henches plus Coteaz plus 6 Chimeras is 1330. Add Vindicare and 3x DKs to basically hit 1850.

In 2k, you've got 150 pts left to kit out your DKs.

3 kitted Megatrons, the most vicious sniper imaginable, and 6 chimeras that shoot 5 plasmaguns or 5 meltaguns every turn. And Coteaz is a mystic......

Yeesh. Not bad for a competitive framework from which to flesh out a true list.

Commander Endova wrote:Yes, because a platform with various configurations of 2 heavy weapons, and S8 AP1 missiles, and optional defensive weapons, with POTMS, has no value in a shooting army.

+1 in my book

Beerfart wrote:

You just neutered your entire arguement there bra.... ect...

Above arguments neutered with the inclusion of the word "bra".

Its always better if you take off the bra.

I believe the storm raven has a place. Its armour value certainly doesnt though...I mean av12? fail whale.