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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:The thing is Kan, as true as your statement is, we all know that your average 'Timmy' down at GW doesn't typically know where to go to buy alternatives. They buy GW brand everything.

And that's why we have places like Dakka, apparently. To tell them they're "wrong" or "bad" for doing such

Rather than, y'know...just explaining you can make something similar.

They'll see the posters in their local GW and if they ask, the staff will be 'ah the battleboard is perfect, in fact you can by 2x2 sections now' Kaching.

It's actually a cunning move, I don't fully approve, well I think its a little cheeky, why do the board at all. But as a marketing ploy I'm sure it'll put some extra cash GW's way before Games Day.

I get why they're wanting the forces to have a board, personally. It's meant to be more of a "hobby project" rather than the slapped-together-at-the-last-minute display bases you see at times from the armies entered within the tournament proper.

A fully themed display vignette though? They can be a hell of a thing to see from some of the talent that we see entering the Golden Daemons.

As I plan on going this year, it gives me something else to look over, so not going to complain.

Definitely get some good pictures of the entries then!

@Vitki: Or a Hive Spire packed with guard on every floor. Make it modular and remember to ask how high the ceiling is at the games day venue.

Oh I'm sure the ones that get to Games Day will be awesome.

Just thinking about those that may turn up at the store part of the compo, the horror.

Regardless, yes, myself, a camera and pics will be in the army comps future.

vitki wrote:I'm waiting to see if anyone is going to try and build an 8 foot tall tower of isengard that fits on a 2x2 board.

There were no height restrictions as far as I saw.

Nice idea but remember to take the CoG into account.

My immediate reaction to that is, "feth off!"

Like I really want to spend £££s and heaps of time to make some free display materials for my local GW?

Duurrrr!

If I'm going to put that amount of work into it I'll do something for myself and my pals.

I dont got any GW near, and that is sad...

I liked the ideia, Army display are beautifull, and better, than lone miniatures...
At least that will mean lots of nice display photos going trought the web...

In principle I find the idea quite inspiring: Having a universal format for army presentation.
I will think about it.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:ooo lookee what is at the bottom of the article

A ROB table and a ROB expansion pack
It's sarcasm aimed at the usual cynical GW marketing.

bang your head on the ROB table all you want matey
Knock yourself out!

Erm, when did promoting one's products become cyncial?

Oh, of course. When GW started doing it.

And here comes our second tireless defender - the completely unbias GW employee.

Completely biased ex-GW employee, and clearly some kind of witch for actually enjoying his hobby.


[Mod Edit - Er, no, please. Remember the rules of this site, and our attempt to remain "family friendly".]

If you're a witch then the only power you seem to be able to cast is 'Man of Straw'.

And I thought you were a Mad Dok, not a witch?

Bit of both. But enough of your mindless trolling, on with the thread.

Or perhaps you'd like to explain exactly why you object to GW promoting it's own products, using it's own promotions, on it's own website, and why this is considered cynical?

H.B.M.C. wrote:And here comes our second tireless defender - the completely unbias GW employee.

And here comes the obligatory troll statement because GW did anything.

You're a funny guy. Nice to not see you deny it.

BTW, Dakka's #1 Rule is 'Be Polite'. However [Mod Edit - Please, no more!] isn't what I'd classify as 'polite'. I'll let is slide though, especially as you're between careers (can't be an easy change going from 'Mad Dok' to 'International Man of Mr_Mystery').

*ahem*

Your problem MDG is that no one - no one - has said that there is a problem with any company, much less GW, promoting their products. Your feeble attempts to put up walls of straw men are just that - feeble. What people object to are cynical attempts to advertise products under the guise of helpful advice, or as part of a competition, and so on.

I'll use a recent 'What's New Today' as an example of this.

The first setence in this 'article' says this:

"Well, I learnt something yesterday; actually, I learnt three things yesterday: never fall asleep on a train; that an audio drama can make your journey so much more interesting; and that a Paint Station really is a fantastic tool when you need to get some models painted in a hurry. Fortunately, I managed to get back to Nottingham in time to write today's post."

In the first sentence they're already spruiking products at me. It is disengenuous for an article like this to talk about painting and then casually mention how their newly released paint station 'really is a fantastic tool'. It's a cynical attempt to turn a conversational 'hobby' piece into a marketing pitch.

Now, had the guy just said something like:

"I've been using our new Paint Station, and I've found it has the following good aspects. Give it a try at your local GW and then get one for yourself!" It wouldn't be cynical. It would be a simple up-front sales pitch rather than a back handed "Oh! BTW - did I mention how useful [newly released product] is? I can't believe I lived a normal life before it!"

Bollocks. Every single hobby conversation is a marketing pitch. You're selling yourself, your capabilities, your list, or the models in it. And again, how is it cynical? The whole reason for having a retail website is, shock horror TO SELL STUFF.

So where does the cynicism stem from? I'm really not seeing it.

Hmm sounds like some ploy to get inattentive folks to buy armies

I mean it sounds good and all but sensible people will just use their already built to perfection armies and make a matching terrain set for them while others think they'll need to use a lot of resources in investing to another army

kenshin620 wrote:Hmm sounds like some ploy to get inattentive folks to buy armies

I mean it sounds good and all but sensible people will just use their already built to perfection armies and make a matching terrain set for them while others think they'll need to use a lot of resources in investing to another army

Which is perfectly acceptable for this competition. Nowhere does it say "Everything must be painted and assembled within view of a GW employee".

I guess the thirty different Stormraven threads are too clogged with hilarious misnomers to suitably vent everyones rage at GW.

The "contest" literally requires you to buy nothing if you already own GW models and can cut a 2'x2' piece of drywall from an inconspicuous part of your house. Shockingly they "cynically" used their own product as examples.

I'm just going to cynically make dinner and then cynically watch some TV with my wife. You carry on with whatever this is.

Whoa!

Come on now guys - enough with the references to doing certain things to certain things, OK?

i think we're missing the big point for us yanks... is rail service really that silky smooth in the UK that you could feasibly paint something while riding? it most definitely isn't in the US.

warboss wrote:i think we're missing the big point for us yanks... is rail service really that silky smooth in the UK that you could feasibly paint something while riding? it most definitely isn't in the US.

If only you had a Paint Station that wouldn't be a problem!

MrM
You just don't want to see it man.
Am I shocked that they are promoting their wares? Really?
Sorry to disappoint old thing.

If they said something along the lines of having a display of your GW minis with a themed base, fine.
No problems with a bit of self promotion and a load of fun for the boys and girls.

However.

Armies on Parade is your chance to plan, collect, model and paint an amazing new army, display it on a two foot by two foot board

Note the phrase new army.
Not any GW models already in the collection.
They expect us followers to buy a load of extra models to stick on a board of a certain type of plastic, nudge nudge wink wink

Hey kids, it's a great way to start a new army!

Don't know about a head banging on a desk orkicon, as suggested by Kanners (not a bad idea), we need a puking ork.

Sorry, where does it say that you can't use any GW models in your collection?

Nowhere?

Huh. Interesting. Here I was thinking you had a reason to be clogging my thread up with more of this conspiracy crap.

Nice to see people are keeping Dakka a quality content site.



Anyways, I think it's a nice idea. I don't care whether GW are advertising or anything, its a nice, simple idea and a good way to see some boodiful looking armies in similarly boodiful terrain.

LMAO Warboss
And I thought Americans didn't do irony!

If you like rock and roll try riding on our local trains!
We do have a jazz and blues train on the line once a month, with beer served.
A GW painting train I cannot forsee, you would do better trying to paint your minis while bungy jumping!



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Kanluwen wrote:Sorry, where does it say that you can't use any GW models in your collection?

Nowhere?

Huh. Interesting. Here I was thinking you had a reason to be clogging my thread up with more of this conspiracy crap.

It ain't conspiracy crap, who apart from Manchu and yourself have used that word, who has accused GW of conspiracy?

To address your point, it says, as quoted, plan collect build and paint a NEW ARMY
Which part of that is already in my collection?

Just Dave wrote:Nice to see people are keeping Dakka a quality content site.



Anyways, I think it's a nice idea. I don't care whether GW are advertising or anything, its a nice, simple idea and a good way to see some boodiful looking armies in similarly boodiful terrain.

That post there sums up what this thread should be focusing on guys!

If you want to discuss the other aspects of what is or is not said, inferred or implied in the announcement, you'd be better served doing it in some other thread, NOT in the News and Rumors section, OK?

Thanks!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:LMAO Warboss
And I thought Americans didn't do irony!

If you like rock and roll try riding on our local trains!
We do have a jazz and blues train on the line once a month, with beer served.
A GW painting train I cannot forsee, you would do better trying to paint your minis while bungy jumping!

I would watch that.

What if we already started a new army anyway? Like, its still on the sprue?

I've read the rules, and there's nothing in there about having to buy a new army. Or use the ROB board.

So, bring in your old army on a cookie sheet. It's a legal entry.

That would work.

Going to see if I can find a 2 foot square cookie sheet and make an army based on OOP models.

That medal is as good as mine! Mwhahahahahaha!

Polonius wrote:I've read the rules, and there's nothing in there about having to buy a new army. Or use the ROB board.

So, bring in your old army on a cookie sheet. It's a legal entry.

just don't expect to win if you use a cookie sheet no matter how nice, lol. it's like when they had the terrain modelling contest on their daily update... magically, all the showcased winning entries had over a $100 of GW terrain kits in them (no plywood/plasticard pics there). either way, it should be a pleasant display to see for those dakkites who actually have a GW within SCUD missle range.