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The Index Astartes article about the Raven Guard is an excellent source of info, and as a bonus it doesn't have anything in it that contradicts 'current' background.

Well, other than the fact that GW themselves often forget how to correctly paint the shoulder pad trim...

Alpharius wrote:The Index Astartes article about the Raven Guard is an excellent source of info, and as a bonus it doesn't have anything in it that contradicts 'current' background.

Well, other than the fact that GW themselves often forget how to correctly paint the shoulder pad trim...

yeah, that does get annoying. Shrike's army in 4th ed. codex has red trim because they're from the 3rd company? But only assault marines have red trim? Wait, what?!

I choose to go with the superior IA scheme.

Red for assault, green to tactical, yellow for devastator.

I also am going to paint up a lot of them with the Pre-Heresy symbols for the various squads:

(Pre-Heresy on the left, "Modern" on the right!)

My personal theory is that it's an example of Shrike's squads using psychological warfare.

After all, Shrike and his boys are pretty much only operating in a sector where they're fighting Orks. Red stripes on Astartes when seen by the Orks-- would be like Crux Terminatus'd Night Lords to the Guard.

An "Oh balls..." moment.

Alpharius wrote:I choose to go with the superior IA scheme.

Red for assault, green to tactical, yellow for devastator.

I also am going to paint up a lot of them with the Pre-Heresy symbols for the various squads:

(Pre-Heresy on the left, "Modern" on the right!)

Thanks for those! I'll be painting those on my heresy-era guys...

I live to serve...

Those marking are a huge help, thanks Alpharius.

Does anybody know the names of the chpter master and the othe shadow captians apart from Shrike and Korvydae.

In the codex it shows the personal heraldy of captain "Ravenclaw" who is he ?

moonshine wrote:Those marking are a huge help, thanks Alpharius.

Does anybody know the names of the chpter master and the othe shadow captians apart from Shrike and Korvydae.

In the codex it shows the personal heraldy of captain "Ravenclaw" who is he ?

2nd capt.- aajaz solari
4th- aethon shaan
dunno ravenclaw, and chapter master is unknown, but I have a SC for him, named Areth Caan.

shrike wrote:there really isn't that much fluff on them. try:
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?autocom=ineo&showarticle=316
Things to remember:
not ALL raven guard have red shoulder trim.
chapter master is unnamed.
the captains of the 1st, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th are unnamed.
the older the raven guard, the blacker the hair and the whiter the skin. scouts- normal. marines- pale & dark. captains/chaplains/libbies/techmarines- very pale & very dark. chapter master/master of sanctity/MOTF/chief libby- white & black.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

I just learned that the Raven Guard's motto is the same as my Clan's motto. Now I like them even more!

victory or death?
victorus aut mortis?

The only problem is your the raven guard mean it litteraly. Only say it if you are planning to die if you lose btw what do you mean by "clan" (corax said that ).

Btw they're motto is latin. I will paint it onto tanks and would it make sence to paint "forever more" onto dreads and tanks?

shrike wrote:victory or death?
victorus aut mortis?

Yes but mine would be in Gaelic. Vincere vel Mori.

moonshine wrote:The only problem is your the raven guard mean it litteraly. Only say it if you are planning to die if you lose btw what do you mean by "clan" (corax said that ).

Btw they're motto is latin. I will paint it onto tanks and would it make sence to paint "forever more" onto dreads and tanks?

yep, latin. My raven guard either win, or die in suicide assaults. Like if I've got no troops in an objective game, I do stuff like charge my captain into 10 terminators, or something equally crazy.
"nevermore" is better IMO.

That was Corax. I wonder what he meant by that?

It meant his mistakes will torment him for the rest of his life and that he cannot escape death. If you want the technical version:

The meaning is the same in all the uses. It is only the question and the reaction that escalate around the unchanging reiteration. from the inital shock when the omen speaks a ftting reply that dashes his reverie of his mistakes to despair, he becomes defensive and playful, then trapped deeper and deeper as he himself plays out the conversation with the omen. "Nevermore" then at last becomes his tragic state buried in the shadow of hopeless remembrance under its oppressive verdict.

So basicly corax told everyone he was going to die beacuse it was the only way his failures would not torment his memories.


Btw I might call the chapter masters gun or landraider lenor what do you think?

moonshine wrote:It meant his mistakes will torment him for the rest of his life and that he cannot escape death. If you want the technical version:

The meaning is the same in all the uses. It is only the question and the reaction that escalate around the unchanging reiteration. from the inital shock when the omen speaks a ftting reply that dashes his reverie of his mistakes to despair, he becomes defensive and playful, then trapped deeper and deeper as he himself plays out the conversation with the omen. "Nevermore" then at last becomes his tragic state buried in the shadow of hopeless remembrance under its oppressive verdict.

What? Sure that's not some analysis of Poe?

It is an analysis of poe but the term applies to everytime the word "nevermore is used" corax mistakes represent lenor in the poe "the raven"

I might paint refrences to the poem on my vehicle beacuse I love the poem on to of the landraider assult hatch I might paint "thy chamber door" what do you think

moonshine wrote:It is an analysis of poe but the term applies to everytime the word "nevermore is used" corax mistakes represent lenor in the poe "the raven"

I might paint refrences to the poem on my vehicle beacuse I love the poem on to of the landraider assult hatch I might paint "thy chamber door" what do you think

That would sweet.

Do you not think its about loss though? He's lost his Legion, Brothers, Father and The Imperium which he truly believed in. They represent Lenore? Shall I ever be reunited with Lenore? Nevermore?

Yes it is abot loss and his clones represent lenor and he lost his the character in the raven lost lenor

Ah, poetic analysis and discussion of Corax and Poe and their cloning. You never know what you're going to find on the Dakka.

moonshine wrote:Btw I might call the chapter masters gun or landraider lenor what do you think?

nice- I always imagined the CM wielding LC's, because shrike, corax and shaan do/did. I always thought it was Lenore.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

moonshine wrote:It meant his mistakes will torment him for the rest of his life and that he cannot escape death. If you want the technical version:

moonshine wrote:It is an analysis of poe but the term applies to everytime the word "nevermore is used" corax mistakes represent lenor in the poe "the raven"

I might paint refrences to the poem on my vehicle beacuse I love the poem on to of the landraider assult hatch I might paint "thy chamber door" what do you think

My leader is called "Lenore", commander of the Muninn company.

Oh yeah if forgot the e in lenore. If the chapter master weilds two lightinig claws I will call the jump pack lenore. I will be using Astorath the grim's wings and jum jump pack.

moonshine wrote:Oh yeah if forgot the e in lenore. If the chapter master weilds two lightinig claws I will call the jump pack lenore. I will be using Astorath the grim's wings and jum jump pack.

nice idea! I call my chapter master's jump pack "the wings of corax", said to have been used by corax himself in the aftermath of the istvaan dropsite massacre.

Corax didn't use a jump pack on Istvaan.

Kanluwen wrote:Corax didn't use a jump pack on Istvaan.

shrike wrote:in the aftermath of the istvaan dropsite massacre.

the aftermath. As in, after he got extracted, in the clean-up missions that followed.

Still didn't use one!


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Just remember: the Raven Guard didn't do that much during the Heresy itself. Their numbers were too depleted from Istvaan for them to really operate, mostly they withdrew to Deliverance and reorganized.

It wasn't until the end and the 'abominations' that they really got involved in-depth against Horus and the traitors..

Corax did not use A jump pack but he could fly with mechanical wings. On istvaan corax fought curze and curze says "Do not fly away little raven. Stay. We are not finished you and I" which proves corax could fly. Come to think of it Corax should have killed lorgar when he had the chance. Also corax had completly black eyes and pale white skin, but you probably know that already

Uh, you realize "fly" in that context was just meaning "don't run away"

It also said "shimmering wings of dark metal reached up from his shoulders into the air above" - thats from the first heretic when it describes corax

Kanluwen wrote:Uh, you realize "fly" in that context was just meaning "don't run away"

the only primarch to have wings (without being a DP) was sanguinius.
Corax has very limited fluff- he was born on lycaeus, led an uprising, renamed it deliverance, the emprah arrived, he became an astartes, he nearly killed lorgar, but Konrad Curze stepped in, he lost 98% of his legion at istvaan, he made a load of abominations using forbidden technology, he killed each one because they were abominations, then he locked himself in the highest room in ravenspire, came out and flew into the eye of terror saying "nevermore".