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The rules are great, the points aren't balanced

Then again, most of my games are my Elves Vs my friends Kazad Dwarves, so most games end in a draw as I try to trek across the board to eat through the tower shields after killing his other guys

Osbad wrote:
And for the the haterz. Just look at GW's last financial figures and imagine where your precious game would end up without the inevitable financial boost The Hobbit will bring GW!

I was hoping that GW would go under some real financial troubles so that they might actually take a chance to step back and look at just how horrible their business model is. Now they'll ride for a few more years on The Hobbit's popularity, just like they did with LotR.

Surtur wrote:

FM Ninja 048 wrote:YES, love LOTR

hopefully they won't bring out a 'new edition' (sell-more-modelsified) of the LOTRSBG rules, they're great at the minute

What on earth? They're terribly balanced. While the game itself is interesting, most evil factions don't stand a cold day's chance in hell of winning with the points system as it is. That said I hope they update it.

Really? Bad guys armies rule the poor little good guys. It's called a Balrog

Now they can blame the next blip on the Hobbit bubble. I see it now we got fat and lazy on the profits of the Hobbit

I actually like the LOTR rule system, it works well in my Legends of the Old West game.

Its clean quick and easy to learn. That said the way they handeled the game in the shops seems wrong to me.

I hope they do handle the marketing better instore this time. In my area it was always seen as a kids game (I add not by me).

Still good news if they can do it right this time. I may even get some more models.

I'm hoping the hobbit license will produce a board game or RPG. The LOTR part of GW is a waste really, it doesn't move, and it wastes 1/3 of the space in white dwarfs.

It wastes 1/3 of the space in WD?

What is 33% of vacuity?

Again not understanding the intolerance for a game that some, maybe a minority, but some nonetheless enjoy?

TBH I agree with the board game/rpg as personally won't be starting any more armies.
But again the people already inyo LoTR may wish to.

Aduro wrote:

Here, this link will make things easier http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

Link can sum up my thoughts as I await more meh quality sculpts to fill a monthly slot's attention.

Great. Five more years of;

"Their sales are diving, the only bump their showing is the "Hobbit Bubble" and it's bursting!"
"Why does the WD only focus on the Hobbit?"
"Man,development team is being taken away for the Hobbit....imagine what we would have if they weren't"
"The Hobbit play rules are what fantasy should be"
"What would you do if someone used X Hobbit miniature as a counts as Fantasy model?"
etc.

nieto666 wrote:

Surtur wrote:

FM Ninja 048 wrote:YES, love LOTR

hopefully they won't bring out a 'new edition' (sell-more-modelsified) of the LOTRSBG rules, they're great at the minute

What on earth? They're terribly balanced. While the game itself is interesting, most evil factions don't stand a cold day's chance in hell of winning with the points system as it is. That said I hope they update it.

Really? Bad guys armies rule the poor little good guys. It's called a Balrog

Sauron and 30 or so orks comes to about 700 points...
And Sauron kicks arse!

[quote=OsbadAnd for the the haterz. Just look at GW's last financial figures and imagine where your precious game would end up without the inevitable financial boost The Hobbit will bring GW!

Agreed Schamapdi. I had to stop for a moment and delete a great deal of ranting and raving concerning kinds of drugs the board of directors are smoking.

In the end, the cost of this venture will be absorbed by increased costs in in this hobby, as you have posted plus other draconian actions that we do not know about yet.

I might be intereseted in this if it was a skirmish campaign system, similiar to mordheim. other than that i won't care much.

I was fairly interested in the LOTR stuff way back when if first came out, but I just couldn't afford to get into it.

I'd love to see a small narrative skirmish/adventure game (something similar to the late, great Inquisitor, but maybe a bit easier to play).

It's a very sensible move, and presumably someone at GW is at this very moment feverishly writing Hobbit expansion rules to their LotR game system.

Obviously they can't start with the models yet, since shooting hasn't even begun. But I do hope they start booking resources for model design and production - GW totally missed the ball with their plastic LotR set which arrived a couple of years later than it should have.

Battle of the Five Armies!

Battle of the Two-And-A-Half-Years-of-Increased-Sales-followed-by-a-Dramatic-Slump-that-will-be-Glossed-Over-in-yearly-Fiscal-Reports-and-referred-to-endlessly-as-a-Bubble-for-at-least-3-Years-after-everyone-has-Stopped-Caring-about-the-Five-Armies.

Can't wait!

Well its good that they have made the license i got nothing against it. It properly would help and boost GW way more.

This probably means that necrons will still be waiting for a codex come 2012.

Daggermaw wrote:I might be intereseted in this if it was a skirmish campaign system, similiar to mordheim. other than that i won't care much.

This would be extremely smart, since The Hobbit is not really a suitable setting for huge clashes of armies except for the Battle of Five armies, and if the GW Ministry of Information haven't airbrushed all the photos I think there's already a game based on that.

In the best of all possible worlds, the cash from this deal will give GW the resources it needs to turn their business around and move in a direction that actually generates more sales rather than squeezes the few remaining players for more money. I'm not holding my breath though.

Great news

Hope it sells well for GW... they need it.
I have the mumak, nice kit! There's some nice minis on lotr but really not something I'm interested in... If theres a market to explore there then its ok... but if its something thats going to be dragged for years and years and burst into the ultimate bubble of cr@ppiness then better watch out for the stinkers they may well be the worst thing happening to GW.
Either way I'm glad for the fans.

Fafnir wrote:

Osbad wrote:
And for the the haterz. Just look at GW's last financial figures and imagine where your precious game would end up without the inevitable financial boost The Hobbit will bring GW!

I was hoping that GW would go under some real financial troubles so that they might actually take a chance to step back and look at just how horrible their business model is. Now they'll ride for a few more years on The Hobbit's popularity, just like they did with LotR.

Agreed so much with this.

Trasvi wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

Osbad wrote:
And for the the haterz. Just look at GW's last financial figures and imagine where your precious game would end up without the inevitable financial boost The Hobbit will bring GW!

I was hoping that GW would go under some real financial troubles so that they might actually take a chance to step back and look at just how horrible their business model is. Now they'll ride for a few more years on The Hobbit's popularity, just like they did with LotR.

Agreed so much with this.

The way I see GW I think its one of those types of companies that if its not doing well it rather alienates/sells rather than regrouping and take a step back. I may be wrong though.

I'm hoping, really, really hoping that GW learned the lessons of 2004/05 and will not let any "bubble" mask any problems that are occurring with 40k/WFB this time around. They admitted last time that they got "fat and lazy", so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they won't let those lines fester while they focus on The Hobbit.

Not because I'm particularly bothered about 40k or WFB, but because I'm fed up with whinging 40k fanboix blaming LotR for everything from a one month delay in new models to their ingrowing toenails...

If GW management THIS TIME manage to do their job properly instead of just drinking the Koo-lAid of their own propaganda, then an injection of income will be used wisely, and benefit all their customers, and therefore all their shareholders. Of course, this is GW we are talking about, and drinking their own Kool-Aid is what they do, so...if they don't learn the lessons of the past, and let 40k and WFB fester (even more than they have already - WFB: 7 months of a new edition and no new army books? Seriously!?) then I pity the players.

Thinking about it more, GW have done a good job of letting 40k fester as well - where are the 5th-edition-fit Necrons? Where are the 5th-edition-fit Ordo Hereticus? 10 years to redo Dark Eldar.... etc., etc.

So, I don't think the release of The Hobbit stuff will make GW do anything different on that score as they go at the pace of an arthritic snail when it comes to codex/army book updates as it is.

And of course the new models will be overpriced, and any new game will be great in concept but flawed in execution. GW will NEVER move away from those tenets of its religion. However.... with the Perry twins sculpting the range, and with Gary Morley no longer their to poison the sculpting pie, at the very least I am hoping for some decent eye candy to come out of this...

catharsix wrote:queue the hate? gladly!

so now we can have another 10 years of articles that what tiny percentage of fans actually play(?) eating up 30% or more of White Dwarf etc.

Ixquic wrote:..and no one plays in stores.

Queue being told how apparently TONS of people play it but only in their underground lairs where they can't be seen by the normies.

[language-use Nazi]Um, the word is 'cue', guys![/language-use Nazi]

And yeah, to those suggesting a new strategy game - that wouldn't surprise me either. Indeed, it'd make sense in some ways for them to simply make it an expansion to the LOTRSBG (as well as making the figures compatible with WOTR), though I would understand if they made it a brand new game to up the excitement factor, as it were.

A resurgence of the Battle of Five Armies Warmaster set would be great, too, though - I'd be very happy to get a snazzy new edition/get the old edition should they release expansion models.

I assumed there would be a long line of grudge bearing 40K fans waiting their turn to vent hostility and bile.

But I could be wrong.

darkslife wrote:This probably means that necrons will still be waiting for a codex come 2012.

I doubt not having LOTR would change their release schedule much.

I can't wait to get my smaug miniature when they release one.

Meh, it will help sales for a couple years. Models might even be cool. Would rather they focused on skirmish/rpg type intro games for 40k and Fantasy. Or better yet, update all their army books in the next 2 years instead.

Great news!!!! I can't wait for a complete set of all the dwarves.