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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:16:45
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Manchu wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Not for the ones that opt for the "75% GW parts"
Measured by weight or surface area or what?
I think they just eyeball it, frankly. It's an arbitrary number that really never makes sense and only applies to bigger things like Dreads and vehicles.
Manchu wrote:Kanluwen wrote:It's nice looking and all, but it really doesn't do that much to differentiate itself from a normal Chimera.
Disagree.
When all you need to duplicate the overall 'feel' of the design is to just glue the portholes for the lasguns shut and a lil' bit of plasticard for the turret/body...
It doesn't do too much to differentiate itself.
Although, in all honesty, for around the price of this conversion kit? I could get a much nicer, complete 32mm vehicle like:
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35016 or
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35022
At least not $35 worth of "difference" in my opinion.
Agree.
I think that's where this kit kind of falls short. They're basically pricing themselves equivalent to Forge World's Chimera conversion kits, but offering less overall "oomph" factor.
...And just having looked, apparently most of FW's Chimera conversion stuff(the interiors and rear doors) look to be gone. Interesting!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:20:23
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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[MOD]
Solahma
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Strokes for folks, as they say. I think the rounded edges really give the Chimera a strong Soviet feel. I had to look twice to make sure I was seeing a Chimera. It's a rather dashing little conversion that I wouldn't think twice about ordering if it was priced closer to $15.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:22:41
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Even at $15 it feels too expensive to me to make a 'Soviet APC' when I can get a whole kit from Zveda for $20
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:24:03
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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[MOD]
Solahma
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Yeah but I want a Valhallan Chimera not a historical Soviet tank.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:25:30
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I take that back. I can get an entire 1/35 BMP-3 "Export" variant...
For $15.99
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=UM0234
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:27:54
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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[MOD]
Solahma
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Here's the WIP thread, btw:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/323283.page Automatically Appended Next Post: Dunno how keen I am on recasting parts of GW parts . . .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:31:30
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Can I just say "called it!" on the bits of plasticard?
It's nice and all, he clearly put...some effort, I guess, into it. But at the end of the day: $35 for that in addition to the cost of a Chimera?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:47:27
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Kanluwen wrote:
Can I just say "called it!" on the bits of plasticard?
It's nice and all, he clearly put...some effort, I guess, into it. But at the end of the day: $35 for that in addition to the cost of a Chimera?
cost of an expensive chimera? you mean cheep chimera? especially if you look around on the discount sites
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:49:51
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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What I would like to know is why is it named after squirrels?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:50:53
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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TyraelVladinhurst wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
Can I just say "called it!" on the bits of plasticard?
It's nice and all, he clearly put...some effort, I guess, into it. But at the end of the day: $35 for that in addition to the cost of a Chimera?
cost of an expensive chimera? you mean cheep chimera? especially if you look around on the discount sites
No matter how you try to spin it, you're still paying $35 for what you can do in an afternoon with some plasticard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:52:46
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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All I get is a blank white page.
Not a drop has passed my lips.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 17:52:50
Subject: Re:Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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i can't and i've tried, so cheep chimera plus this kit is win for me
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"Those that Dare impersonate the dead are judged to join their ranks!"- Alucard
6970 points of Preheresy Night Lords 7681 points Preheresy thousand sons 8230 points Preheresy Iron Warriors 3230 points Preheresy Death Guard 4940 points preheresy Dark Angels 4888 points preheresy Iron Hands 2030 points preheresy Blood Angels 2280 points preheresy space wolfs 1065 points preheresy white scars 3210 points preheresy sons of Horus 1660 points Grey Knights 628 points Sister of Battle 2960 points adeptus mechanicus 18650 points Titanicus legio Nex Caput capitis 5566 points Imperial Guard 5875 points Preheresy Emperor's Children 3735 points Preheresy World Eaters 1710 points Preheresy Word Bearers 2090 points preheresy Imperial Fists 1570 points preheresy Alpha Legion 4600 points necrons 1420 points prehersy Raven Guard 960 points prehersy Salamanders 6334 points Tau Empire 20942 points tyranids 8722 points eldar 3125 points dark eldar 10745 points Bearers of the Light 1415 points Preheresy Luna Wolves 8508 points Chaos
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 18:24:48
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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Every tournament I've been to, if they have a rule about GW components, uses the % test for scratch builds or elaborate conversions. If a model is still for the most part a GW model, it doesn't matter much what you add. So using this kit would be ok, as you still need a complete chimera to build it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/10 18:35:21
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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It don't really like it, sorry. It looks too squishy. The turret is odd too.
But good idea
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If only ZUN!bar were here... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 01:26:38
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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i like the back door and the turret. i dont' like the top hatch but the lasgun fireports are very good. I also agree with others on the price, doubling the cost of the vehicle puts it way out of reach for most people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 01:38:31
Subject: Re:Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Fresh-Faced New User
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OK Im confused, someone said he recast GW parts... so yes or no on that? And why do that with all the legal drama at the moment in the GW aftermarket part market?
Oh hes in russia.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 06:08:10
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Focused Fire Warrior
australia
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i would never recast
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Moonblade cadre 3400 pts
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The guard of the east gate of Mordhiem - 3200pts |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 06:09:09
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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Thank you for your kindly replies =)
We are offering a Sciuridae platoon bundle discount! Buying 6 upgrade kits at once for your troop platoons, and we will provide one extra Sciuridae upgrade kit for your HQ for free. On top of that, this bundle's shipment is on the house!
to Neconilis:
It's a rodent, isn't that good enough already? XD
to Kanluwen :
Can not wait to see what you come up within one single afternoon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 06:14:48
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Modqusition on. Everyone can discuss the merits of the model without being insulting. if they can't I have a ticket toa 30 day suspension in my hand first come first serve.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 06:17:27
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Modqusition on. Everyone can discuss the merits of the model without being insulting. if they can't I have a ticket toa 30 day suspension in my hand first come first serve.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 07:46:33
Subject: Re:Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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Hacking Shang Jí
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I think it looks great. It makes the vehicle appear to have weight, something a lot of GW models fail to achieve.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 08:06:13
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Guessing it's the base for a Hydra turret.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 11:21:54
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Is there a reason we're being dicks to this guy? Because it seems like - if you don't like his stuff - you could just not buy it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 11:37:47
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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Mighty Chosen Warrior of Chaos
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I'm a bit ashamed of the responce of the forum. yes it is a bit expensive, but at least the stuff he's knocking out is pretty good.
Ok, I'm not happy about the recast bits, but considering the glowing love applied to some of the garbage offered up it is a bit much!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 11:41:14
Subject: Re:Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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I think some of the replies are fuelled by a dislike for the country of origin of the OP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 11:59:08
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Which would be an equally slowed reason for blasting him. Can't we all just agree recasting is bad and go from there?
OP, I would suggest selling the "Lasgun slot" covers as part fo the set, along with the top and the turret. Leave the body to the actual Chimera model. That has two benefits:
One, cheaper to make/sell.
Two, no more recasting parts.
I think it'll be a win all around.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 13:59:41
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Scottywan82 wrote:Which would be an equally slowed reason for blasting him. Can't we all just agree recasting is bad and go from there?
OP, I would suggest selling the "Lasgun slot" covers as part fo the set, along with the top and the turret. Leave the body to the actual Chimera model. That has two benefits:
One, cheaper to make/sell.
Two, no more recasting parts.
I think it'll be a win all around.
Agreed, I am the first one to advocate for add-ons for kits. Saying that, recasting the top chassis of the chimera and adding round gunports to it is still recasting and firmly infringes upon the copyright of the original model.
Cheaper is better, sure you wont net as much per model but that will be made up by how many you sell. Usually it takes 20-30 years for a business to start demanding GW "weight-in-gold(or more like silver)" prices.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 14:08:50
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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[MOD]
Madrak Ironhide
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Seems equivalent of paying more for Forgeworld. \
25 USD for a kit.
What puts it over might be the shipping.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 14:41:32
Subject: Re:Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Modqusition on. Everyone can discuss the merits of the model without being insulting. if they can't I have a ticket toa 30 day suspension in my hand first come first serve.
Lets restart this thread now in that context.
As a reminder
*You can discuss if you like the price.
*You can dsicuss the aesthetics of the kit.
*You can't be insulting about it. Kanluwen I am looking in your direction.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I like th top hatches and the back hatches. The turrent does do it for me. I like a little more angular predator tankish myself and would do that style if converting. But thats personal preference.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/11 14:47:23
Subject: Ratgard- Sciuridae upsets for Imperial Guard Chimera with platoon bundle discount
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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I think it's a really neat kit. It's just far too pricey for me at this point (I also already have enough built and painted chimeras), but if I were to do a new IG army from the ground up I'd consider it.
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