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I don't think they're write them out, but just replace them with warrior acolytes.

There's a reason the character that makes them troops is an Inquisitor, not a Grey Knight.

Yeah. Still a bummer that they can't get BS4, otherwise they would be the perfect stormtroopers.

First off thanks to OP for doing this, wanted to read a updated version without going through 20+ pages of comments.
Am i the only one who thinks that this is going to be space wolf.2 it seems really but thats just because i probly end up facing these guys with my tyranids why didn't we get any awesome stuff like this.

Mr Hyena wrote:I wonder how they're gonna write Inquisitorial Stormtroopers out of the fluff...

The same way they write every army I play out of the fluff - just pretend they don't exist any more!!!

Excuse my but that dreadknight is a huge disappointment. Hopefully its not a sign of the quality of the rest of the minis.

We got hit by the GW IP hammer over at Heresy, they wanted us to remove the pictures of the new GKs.
Have you guys received any such letters?

Some things that i find a little odd : A Rending Psycannon ? would this mean you have to take a psybolt upgrade ( if possible ) to remove invuns ? And a Xeno Weaponsmith that gives all shooty weapons Rending anyway,so why give it to a weapon that did'nt need changeing ( Imho ).I know its all rumours at such an early stage,its just bugging me more than it might because i like them a lot and look forward to building a small force of GK.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:I wonder how they're gonna write Inquisitorial Stormtroopers out of the fluff...

The same way they write every army I play out of the fluff - just pretend they don't exist any more!!!

Hey H.B.M.C., I think you should take a chill pill on this one. Sure, we lose stormtroopers as a unit in name. In reality though, we get them back in the form of cheaper, more versatile carapace armor warriors, with all the crazy requisition for whatever weapons they want that really characterizes the inquisition. They lose 1 ballistic skill, but I think that is a small price to pay for what we gain. The henchmen unit entry alone is more varied than the piddly "+1 ld" "+1 bs" henchmen we had back in the old days. I for one embrace the new GK codex as the most fluff-capable Inquisition codex to date. Come on, new henchmen, improved henchmen, more access to henchmen, varying henchmen statlines, improved assassins, more inquisitors and special characters than you can shake a stick at. The only real loss is inducted IG, which I will admit does suck.


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Pedro Kantor wrote:Some things that i find a little odd : A Rending Psycannon ? would this mean you have to take a psybolt upgrade ( if possible ) to remove invuns ? And a Xeno Weaponsmith that gives all shooty weapons Rending anyway,so why give it to a weapon that did'nt need changeing ( Imho ).I know its all rumours at such an early stage,its just bugging me more than it might because i like them a lot and look forward to building a small force of GK.

I don't think any models in a henchman unit can take psycannon, anyway.

Ultimate razor spam...more tanks than the Imperial Guard, so many you feel like you're playing apocalpyse...heavily onesided apocalypse...like you have all firewarriors against an entire army of...Abaddons. How distasteful. I've played against Razor Spam once-but how many is that-more than 10 razorbacks.

I'd wait until the guy finished unpacking all of the models, and bail on him.

If most of these rumors are true, I can see this being my favorite codex. I'll probabally never do a Paladin themed army, because of whats been said of their fluff sounds really awesome, and I'd only want 1 small unit of them. I'm going to be strike-squad heavy, with an equal number of terminators.

I'm also going to see if I can't make inquisitor Amberly Vail, and a Inquisitor Shepard with 10 henchmen modeled after my favorite Mass Effect/2 characters and model the chimera after the rover thing from ME1. I'm thinking my Callidus is going to be modeled after Sarah Kerrigan. Eversor is going to be Deadpool and Vindicare will be modeled after Nova.

This may be the one army that I actually build beyond my initial army-this may be the one I can actually play Apocalypse with (eventually)

Trevak Dal wrote:More tanks than the Imperial Guard, so many you feel like you're playing apocalpyse...

Still remains to be seen, until I read a reliable source (aka, a picture from the demo-dex) that says "Inquisitorial Henchmen may take a Dedicated Trasport" I'll reserve my judgement...

All I am saying, is that people seem waaaaaaaaaay to invested in the idea that GW is planning on releasing a codex that will allow you to take models you already own(from IG of all places) and use better rules for them, and that this codex is the one based off of one of the previously "most expensive" armies in the game!

I mean c'mon people, do you REALLY think GW is gonna let you recycle all your IG stuff without having to buy the new Plastic Grey Knights?

Also, to help people differentiate between Rumors, and the Discussion about rumors, why not just have a rule for the N&R forums that requires rumors be in a certain format

such as:

This is a test rumor.

Just an Idea...

~DAR

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:Still remains to be seen, until I read a reliable source (aka, a picture from the demo-dex) that says "Inquisitorial Henchmen may take a Dedicated Trasport" I'll reserve my judgement...
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I mean c'mon people, do you REALLY think GW is gonna let you recycle all your IG stuff without having to buy the new Plastic Grey Knights?
...

The Chimera is in the codex. I'm doubtful that its there for GK to use.

Its not GW letting you recycle your IG stuff. Its GW allowing Daemonhunter players to recycle their inducted IG units.

Have built some 2000 point lists with under 30 models that dont look awful...its a nice change of pace from my tyranid horde.

It's *possible* that chimeras are only available to Inquisitors themselves, but that would put a 2 chimera limit on an army, which I doubt GW would want to do...

Well based on the prerelease copy I got henchmen can take chimeras.. not inquisitors. So you can certainly spam them

As to the final version of the dex? I couldnt tell you.. But they tend not to change a whole lot esp when its already looking this finished

Jaon wrote:

And hes only 25 points more than a regular GKGM. Only known downside is the terminators disappear when modrack dies, but when is he going to die first?

Um...Vindicare? And if the 03 per slot rumor is true, his own codex can counter him in a turn?

Not if my 3 vindcare kill your 3 vindicares first...? Idk... seems kinda silly to make those sorts of claims before the books out.

aka_mythos wrote:The Chimera is in the codex. I'm doubtful that its there for GK to use.

There is the clause on Chimera that states that models in terminator armor count as 2 for Xport capacity, unless you can magically put Guardsmen in Termi armor (IIRC the 5th edition dex doesnt let you do this), that clause was for when things like SM/GKs are using Chimera.

@Kirasu, if the henchman profile is infact allowed to take Chimera, is there any restrictions on this (such as, the squad size must be X in # or less(/more)?

I mean, the fact that Inquisitors have been swapping from Hq/Elite/Both FOC slots every time these rumor threads pop-up is starting to cast a dark shadow over any of the "=I=" specific rumors in these threads (at least, as far as I am concerned).

Also, the fact that Henchmen seem to be their own entry in the elites section(and nothing suggests they don't use up a FOC slot) with the Inquitor proviso also seems off, sure they recently did this with the DeathCompany Dred, but the Court of the Archon worked VERY differently, and seeing the profile of the Henchmen makes me think they will work more like the Court instead of the DCD.

Now, dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to be some "Its all fake till the codex comes out" nay-sayer, I strongly believe many of the GK specific rumors, and like they way the look... but something about the =I= stuff just makes me think "More of a wishlist then solid fact".

~DAR

I am pretty sold on the henchmen can take the vehicles...never going to use it myself...but I also believe that the henchmen mobs will take up force org slots when they count as troops...if only for GW clarifying/changing this in the future FaQ.

Well, the stuff about Henchmen for example has been crossmatched with a lot of other sources and all of them are almost exactly the same information.

I'm fairly sure henchmen can take chimeras. I couldn't see them specifally saying "No, you can't put them in a transport."

oldone wrote: tyranids why didn't we get any awesome stuff like this.

Because Matt Ward didn't write our Codex. Otherwise we would have had Scything Tyrants with Scything Nidfists that can re-roll re-rolls and that can have a bodyguard of 10 Scything Guards and a Scything Prime that could ride in a Scything Pod. Or something to that effect.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:I mean, the fact that Inquisitors have been swapping from Hq/Elite/Both FOC slots every time these rumor threads pop-up is starting to cast a dark shadow over any of the "=I=" specific rumors in these threads (at least, as far as I am concerned).

Most likely elite...very similar to what they are now...build your own inquisitors...my current ones are terminators with eviscerators...my old GK solution to armor...

But yes, I do feel the same...the GK rumors are much more solid un unyielding compared to the other parts of the codex...

Cerebrium wrote:I couldn't see them specifally saying "No, you can't put them in a transport."

It might be something along the lines of:

A Henchmen unit Joined by an inquisitor and in # of X-X May take a dedicated transport...

At least, thats how I think it will probably work out.

Eh, I still don't see it happening.

Plus, I'm giving my Inquisitor a personal Land Raider

Mr Hyena wrote:I wonder how they're gonna write Inquisitorial Stormtroopers out of the fluff...

*Suddenly! Grey Knights! Millions of them!*

No it would be lamer then that. ready for it?




Nids ate them. *sits back in leather arm chair* boom mind blown

Cerebrium wrote:Eh, I still don't see it happening.

The ony thing I totally don't see happening is this:

ph34r wrote:Coteaz - 150p

3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p
3 warriors, 2 with flamer - 22p
razorback with las/plas - 80p

1986p total

now, what will be REALLY funny is if henchmen have random 1-X variables like the Court does... that will throw a wrench in many a person's "demo-lists"

~DAR

That list isn't even legal, they could have 6 groups at most. It doesn't specifically say Corteaz ignores the FOC.

I am skeptical until I see the book, but it sure seems like the entire army is shut down by a single 100 point Rune Priest. The dependance on psychic tests is too high. I see this book working a lot like the DE in that it will crush stuff below the elite armies, but struggle against the top three.

Against wolves, one runic staff litterally cuts the power of the army in half. Guard will both out number and outshoot the army, as it seems to rely on S7 rending as its primary source of anti-mech. Your standard Nullzone libby list is going to really put the hurt on this army unless every last psycher is LD10.

I think dreadnaughts will still see some use in lists build with Storm Ravens (or if the Dreads actually get some access to pod-like deep strike). Basic PA GKs really changed their role a ton, though. I can see this army becomming the ultimate stallers army, however, with the billions of psych tests to start every single game turn.

I simply have to doubt the ability to 'unlock' 20 razorbacks. Even GW couldn't be that head-in-the-sand obtuse.

The rumored rumor that has been said few times but not confirmed in any way...psylencers take automatic shots at anyone attempting to stop psychic powers via hood or runic weapon or any other bs weapon/wargear...


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And don't think of psychic powers as the power of the codex..think of them like guard orders...useful if they work but not necessary.

Do they single out the psyker in the squad, like Vindicare/Telion? That's a ridonkulous ability.