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Alright, here's a couple of tidbits:

Justicar Thawn can resurrect on a 4+. He if he fails to get back up he can try again the next turn. He can do this as many times as he wants and does not award a single KP if he's alive at the end.
Coteaz has the old Mystic ability. He can automatically shoot anything that arrived in reserves 12" from him.
Both Dreadnought types get Reinforced Aegis, not just the Venerable.
Purgation Squad Justicars and Stormravens can have Teleport Homers.
Dreadknights can deepstrike even without the personal teleporter.

All I wanna know is, based on what we know so far:

Is the GK theme still gonna be a low model count, ultra elite badass army? Or are they shaping up to be more numerous compared to current edition? I mean specifically GKs, and not the unlimited henchmen build or whatever it was I read about that.

All the comments of wow these guys are cheap, you could bring XXX of them are throwing me off. Reason I wanna know is my gf might start and I thought a low model count army would be best =p But if they end up being as numerous, on the average as say BA then oh well no difference.

EDIT: DLing that codex thing now, maybe I'll find out for myself
EDIT 2: Wow, it does look like the real thing. I'll let more enlightened minds than mind decide though. This must be some kind of karma for being super duper secretive about releases lately.

It would appear that they are still a low model count elite army, but not quite as elite or low model count as before IMHO.

They're quite easily the elite-est, low-est model count standard army there is in 40K though. So they're more numerous than before, but less numerous than most.

I wouldn't worry about it, for a low model-count army these guys will be the way to go. There's always one of the other options that there has always been (Deathwing/Loganwing), but these guys are the best of the bunch from the look of things IMHO.


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I must admit, although we can't see much of the artwork in this leaked version, some of the artwork does seem to be simply re-used and has the 'ye-old' appearance to it which isn't that good IMHO, but it does look really good and fairly balanced otherwise. Wont stop people complaining one way or another, but still...

I must admit to being a bit... disconcerted by having such strong rumours and 'knowledge' so long before the release; particularly compared to other released of late. I cant even recall having such a leaked Codex available either. Bit 'odd' IMHO.

Btw:

Coteaz makes Henchmen Troops Choices. So only 6.

Also PAGK cants take Chimeras.

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Btw:

Coteaz makes Henchmen Troops Choices. So only 6.

Also PAGK cants take Chimeras.

Wrong on the only 6, right on the chimeras.
Also henchmen can take any dedicated transport.

According to that leak, all 4 assassin types have fleet. Cut, print, sold, GW, please take my money now.

Also, ahaha, according to those points costs, my vindicare is going to be more expensive than my HQ inquisitor.

EDIT: Every one of the assassins sound great. The Culexus' Animus Speculum sounds hilarious if dropped near a psyker, and Eversor's d6 extra attacks on the charge will be devastating.

It is generally highly against Dakka policy to link to illegal GW scans, pre or post release.

"Are troops choices" - to me, that sounds like they do take up a slot.

Slinky wrote:"Are troops choices" - to me, that sounds like they do take up a slot.

This has been discussed in detail before. Units that don't take force org slots, don't take force org slots. It doesn't matter what force org they fit in. They don't use slots.

Also Coteaz gets old school mystics 12" DS shooting bubble power for him and his unit.

Don't agree. "This unit does not take up a force org slot" is in the same paragraph as "For each inquisitor you may take a unit"

"Unit" iss referring to the unit you can take for having an inquisitor, surely...

Should i take the link down then?

(ALthough i only linked to a blog, not the actual file)

Im in the 'only 6' group, sounds to me like Coteaz overrides the previous Force Org. stipulations.

I wondered how long the supposed 'leak' was going to take to appear. Saw a screenshot of it on 4Chan a week or so ago.

Seeing as you've looked at the real codex (unless im mistaken), can you verify how accurate the leak is?

It certainly does look genuine. I haven't inspected it thouroughly, but at first glance there are no eyebrow-raisers that make me think it is somebodies home made
concoction.

Could be that someone at the printers copied the rules before fluff & pictures were inserted (although there is some (old) art in the 'leak' to).

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Seeing as you've looked at the real codex (unless im mistaken), can you verify how accurate the leak is?

As I've said since the beginning, I have not seen the actual Codex. From what's in here though it confirms a lot of what we've seen. It's an earlier draft (some things in there have different names to what I read). Can't say I'm a fan of the list though, and not due to 'power' or anything. There's something that's less unique about the GK's if all they are just regular Marines with some more psychic powers and fancy weapons. Kinda dull.

It interesting to see 'Nemesis Force Sword' rather than 'Nemesis Force Weapon' though.

I really think it's an early play tetsing version. The notes scribbled everywhere and "page XX" as well as the place holders for images makes me believe it's no where near a being complete and still being play tested. I really think lots will change from what we've seen.

It looks to me to be well past playtesting, but perhaps not the final draft.

If they make changes from this version it will likely not be more than a few minor changes in wording (like H.B.M.C.'s Force Sword/Force Weapon) and tiny mistakes.

ph34r wrote:It is generally highly against Dakka policy to link to illegal GW scans, pre or post release.

It is indeed.

I can fully understand the how/why, but I have had to removed the link in the earlier post.

*obligatory remidner about legal stuff yadda yadda*

KOS wrote:in our FLGS we gave the possibility to DA and BT players to use the SS +3 because it had SENSE and was not creating problems... but just for casual and friendly games.

For tournaments and other "official stuff" they had to use Codex and eventually FAQ rules.

But this is different from saying :

"All right then, my Pedro Kantor has the mantle of Vulkan and the power fists of Calgar"

EDIT

@ Ph34r = Dear Lord please no... not Mephiston with a SS 3+ !

(late reply)

Why exactly would a 'counts as' Coteaz, that is aligned to Ordo Xenos or Ordo Hereticus...use Coteaz's gear and not the wargear from the Ordo Xenos Inquisitor or Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor? (and only from a single choice depending on Ordo. Your not really mixing other rules). To me that makes more sense than weird things like daemonhammers counting as other weapons. Sure, if the other guy's army is in the same position, by all means I'd let them take equipment as long as theres a similar reason why.

Thats the problem I have. Coteaz's gear isn't flexible; its the opposite (and he can't represent the other ordos well); so your forced to have a one-dimensional character to have a pure =I= army. This rule honestly should have been for Inquisitor Lords in general and not a special character.

I doubt much will be different in the final codex either...

Here are pics of a sprue to some kind of never before seen space marine vehicle. I think its a flying tank or whatever.

I understand what you mean... we will know the truth once the Codex will be published, not sooner :(

I apologise reds8n, thankyou for removing the link.

@Eidolon: Are you serious? Thats a LS dude.

Eidolon wrote:Here are pics of a sprue to some kind of never before seen space marine vehicle. I think its a flying tank or whatever.

This is confirmed to be the exciting new "Land Speeder", the name of which GW is obviously trying to steal from Lucas and his Landspeeders of the original Star Wars. Oh how clever they are to separate the words so that it doesn't appear to be infringement, cause no one would ever think you could claim ownership to two generic words, just ask those crafty "Army Builder" chaps.

(What major dramas of 2010, I wonder what will top them in 2011?)

Vitruvian XVII wrote:I apologise reds8n, thankyou for removing the link.

No worries, no harm done in the scheme of things.

The willingness of dakkanauts to help each other out always warms the otherwise Stygian depths of my heart.

I wouldn't worry about it, for a low model-count army these guys will be the way to go. There's always one of the other options that there has always been (Deathwing/Loganwing), but these guys are the best of the bunch from the look of things IMHO.

Not better, only better in Cs but way crappier in/vs shooting. Maybe the whole is balanced though.

Anyone still feel like taking 10 paladins at 700-ish points is a good idea when they only get 5++ vs shooting S8+ AP1-2 weapons will instantkill them?
In against all tournaments where tau and IG demolishers are present I dont think we´ll be seeing much paladins.

I can see this whole coteaz unlimited troops thing being another face palm what were we thinking kind of thing IMHO, but we will see when the codex is released.

Pyriel- wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it, for a low model-count army these guys will be the way to go. There's always one of the other options that there has always been (Deathwing/Loganwing), but these guys are the best of the bunch from the look of things IMHO.

Not better, only better in Cs but way crappier in/vs shooting. Maybe the whole is balanced though.

Anyone still feel like taking 10 paladins at 700-ish points is a good idea when they only get 5++ vs shooting S8+ AP1-2 weapons will instantkill them?
In against all tournaments where tau and IG demolishers are present I dont think we´ll be seeing much paladins.

My dear friend, it has been said from the start their base ++ is 4. In close combat, it will be 3. Worry not.


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Eidolon wrote:Here are pics of a sprue to some kind of never before seen space marine vehicle. I think its a flying tank or whatever.

Yeah Im hoping thats sarcasm.

Jaon wrote:My dear friend, it has been said from the start their base ++ is 4. In close combat, it will be 3. Worry not.

That's not in the leaked document though; that one still gives them a 5++, and it seems that a lot of the "sources" have just been quoting stuff off it - and with a big share of erroneous details.
We'll see once the codex is released (or leaked ), still plenty of changes possible between this playtest list and the final version.

It's reasonable. I'd bet it's fairly close. But maybe it's a really, really well done hoax. Who knows

Eidolon wrote:Here are pics of a sprue to some kind of never before seen space marine vehicle. I think its a flying tank or whatever.

Woah, look at those cool missiles! I'm really looking forward to this!