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BloodAngles_Chris wrote:I'd like to thank everyone for being sarcastic as hell. Yes ,I have not been playing 40k for a long time. And to all you veterans of the game that makes me wrong for not being able to see or build an army like you do.

Sit down with the Tau/Witch Hunters/Necron Codex, then come talk to me.

BloodAngles_Chris wrote:I'd like to thank everyone for being sarcastic as hell. Yes ,I have not been playing 40k for a long time. And to all you veterans of the game that makes me wrong for not being able to see or build an army like you do.

It's not about being new or not, it's about knowing your codex and its fluff/background/rules, and those of the books you are referencing and comparing them to.

BloodAngles_Chris wrote:I'd like to thank everyone for being sarcastic as hell. Yes ,I have not been playing 40k for a long time. And to all you veterans of the game that makes me wrong for not being able to see or build an army like you do.

There's nothing wrong with being new to 40k. We all were. There *is* something wrong with being new to 40k, thinking you know enough about your codex to complain about it and doing so.

Instead, your thread should be along the lines of "I'm new to 40k, I play Blood Angels, and haven't been successful with them. Can anyone help me step up my game?"

I'd bet the OP is about 13 years old.

That's 5 years older than I had thought.

Boohoo I lost a game, my army must be terrible.

Shrug

Whiners gonna whine..

I play Necrons. One BA player i was somehow barely beating was whining about how overpowered Necrons are, and how unkillable they are..ad nauseam (all the stuff they were back when, not so much now...)

I got so aggrevated that after the match ran to a conclusion (draw on objectives and KP ) I challenged a rematch, trading armies.

I know jack-squat about BA, and very little about SM in general, but his list curbstomped my Necron list on turn 2.

The lesson- It's not what you got (though it helps), but how you use it, and spending less time whining about it and more time trying it..



Also- infinite attack, I 4 dreadnoughts, and you feel cheated?

My orks, necrons, the tau, the guard, and in fact anything not eldar or Marines want a word with you on that, since they'll not even be allowed to swing before the whole unit is vaped...

Jeez, just go grow a pair and play some games. Lose a few times. Analyse what went wrong, and don't do it again.

Losing graciously wins you friends, especially if you let them explain how they beat you and actually LISTEN. Whining loses you opponents.

Yes because someone loses are complans they must be 13 or 8...im in my mid 20's and I succeed in a lot games/sports. And everyone can say "come talk to me when you _______" that would be you whining. It's the same as poker you will always tell the best/worse things that have happen. My main point in this was that if you would run a list with what blood angels bring to the table you will be outnumbered. Pause for second before it gets turned around again.

If I run a list of all the Wraithguard troops instead of squads of Guardians I will be outnumbered too. The thing is, I don't have to use all wraithguard troops if I don't want to. Just because you can take some very buff and expensive units that are unique to the Blood Angels doesn't mean that the whole army should be like that.

Nobody is stopping you from taking a plain old relatively cheap tactical squad or stock dread instead of stocking up on all the super-buff Blood-Angels-special units. Its right there in your codex and just as bloody angely as Death Company and Furioso.

Standard marines don't all feel required to have Marneus Calgar and his honor guard or a special Captain in order to have an "ultramariney" flavor. The difference with Ultramarines and the divergent Codex lists is that Ultramarines don't get any unique units (There is no Macragge Predator, or Ultrawing terminators) so everything has their flavor of blandness except the special character, and I don't think everybody uses those anyway.

It's a tactical squad. Even the Blood Angels use them. Try it and become less outnumbered.

p.s. Don't respond to age-bashing insults. Anybody on a forum for playing with toy soldiers has no business percieving youth as an insult. If anything, its the oldsters who act as if maturity matters, yet still play with toys making that kind of remark that seem foolish.

Don't worry OP, with the new Grey Knight codex on the way, you too can now feel legitimately screwed, just like everyone else.

Aw man I think I might have a tear for you.


Nope, nevermind.

It's not as though BA is one of the most powerful books out right now.



Oh, wait, it is.


You wanna talk screwed? Lets talk about Necrons, Tau, Dark Angels, or even Chaos Marines.

BloodAngles_Chris wrote:Yes because someone loses are complans they must be 13 or 8...im in my mid 20's and I succeed in a lot games/sports. And everyone can say "come talk to me when you _______" that would be you whining. It's the same as poker you will always tell the best/worse things that have happen. My main point in this was that if you would run a list with what blood angels bring to the table you will be outnumbered. Pause for second before it gets turned around again.

Your posts are really hard to read. Your poor grasp of grammar is why people think you're younger than you are.

So you're complaining that you're outnumbered? Blood Angels (like all Marines) are supposed to be outnumbered. The reason three Imperial Guardsmen cost as much as one Space Marine is because they're not as good on a 1-for-1 basis as that Marine. However, all together, they stand a chance. It's something called "diversity" and it's what keeps this game exciting.

Brother SRM wrote:Your posts are really hard to read. Your poor grasp of grammar is why people think you're younger than you are.

This.

Furthermore, I have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone playing Blood Angels, seeing as they are:
1.) Loyalist Khornates
2.) SUPPOSED to be a Codex Astartes chapter, not....well, not fighting like Khornates.
3.) In possession of a BOATLOAD of rules that are just nauseatingly stupid. Deep striking Land Raiders, in particular, make me want to vomit. I'm sure there are a bunch of other rules that will make me see red (ahahaha you see what I did there? )

Now, getting back to the "Loyalist Khornate" thing, the whole thing about the Death Company is that they are, essentially, animals. They are beasts in armor. I would go so far as to say that they are mockeries of the purity that are Space Marines. Granted, I call Marines, "Power Armored Freaks" anyways, but that doesn't outweigh the point that Death Company are more freakish than "normal" Marines, let alone Blood Angels.

There's a reason that Death Company are not Troops choices. Part of it is fluff, and part of it is that whole "Game Balance" thing.

Thinking about it, perhaps this should be a time to bring up a recent Penny Arcade comic: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/2/14/

You, sir, are a Martyr. Before criticizing things, I advise you to look at your strategy (force selection) and tactics (employment on the battlefield).

Can't believe that some marine players can find stuff to complain about.

No sympathy from me I'm afraid.

You don't want to be outnumbered? Why not relish the challenge of dispatching the hordes with a small band of heroes?

Theres Marines and then there's Divergent Codex. Huge difference in power level. I have never had a problem versus regular SM armies, but even a crummy player with a decent (cookie cutter) SW army is still pretty dangerous. It's as if everything is handed to them and they don't really have to think in-game, just don't be a complete idiot and bring an army of "everything is better than yours". I haven't played against BA since before their new Codex, but I have read it, and I was disgusted by the lack of forethought on the part of the designers. Regular SM aren't really unbalanced as far as my experiences against them, but I fear the variants.

I agree, people whinge about Blood Angels being too overpowered, but they don't scare me... anymore.

Yep, no sympathy. I've worked on my BA counters so I can deal with them fairly easily, but they're still within the top 3 codexes available.

Ogiwan wrote:There's a reason that Death Company are not Troops choices. Part of it is fluff, and part of it is that whole "Game Balance" thing.

The only Death Company unit that isn't in the "Troop" FOC slot is Death Company Tycho. Death Company Marines and DC Dreadnoughts are both troop choices, they just aren't scoring units.

On topic, OP, I disagree with your assessment (as I explained earlier), but I understand how frustrating it can be to learn a new codex – especially one of the "more powerful" codices. Keep your chin up, the codex is strong, and your enjoyment of it will improve with more experience using it. The BA have tons of shiny toys, but building solid lists and managing the proper tactics during an actual game is a learning curve in its own right. Building lists can be especially difficult because, with all the colorful opportunities within the codex, you have to fight the urge to squeeze in as many toys as possible, because it can make the list unbalanced. Keep it simple, play to your strengths, and add in toys only when they fill in gaps in your capabilities or play to your strengths.

Don't let the contempt of people who haven't built and run BA discourage you, and don't feel the need to play into their "holier than thou" game because they play from older codices. Seek comfort in the fact that, when their army becomes the new "codex du jour", they will either (a) embrace their hypocrisy and gleefully powergame the new codex, or (b) be just as miserable as before and complain about how long they've been playing X army and how tired they are of all the hate because they finally got new rules, and potentially even say they'd rather go back to the old codex, which they nostalgically remember spending all of their time complaining about.

Insofar as the derision is concerned, I think the fact that people come into a thread, unsolicited, and feel the need to insult you instead of (a) not commenting, or (b) providing some helpful C&C, says much more about them than anything they said about you. The fact that that encompasses almost half of this thread is why it should be locked.

BloodAngles_Chris wrote:Yes because someone loses are complans they must be 13 or 8...im in my mid 20's and I succeed in a lot games/sports. And everyone can say "come talk to me when you _______" that would be you whining. It's the same as poker you will always tell the best/worse things that have happen. My main point in this was that if you would run a list with what blood angels bring to the table you will be outnumbered. Pause for second before it gets turned around again.

Out numbered compared to what? They aren't any more expensive than other marines. Their vehicles are slightly more expensive but they're considerably better.

They have some expensive super units but all codexes do. If you only take the most expensive stuff then you'll have less, that's true of all codexes.


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BloodAngles_Chris wrote:I'd like to thank everyone for being sarcastic as hell. Yes ,I have not been playing 40k for a long time. And to all you veterans of the game that makes me wrong for not being able to see or build an army like you do.

I suggest that instead of blaming your codex you instead look to your army building and playing skills. If you blame your codex, your dice, your opponent's army list, etc then you will never improve.

tavoittamaton wrote:

Ogiwan wrote:There's a reason that Death Company are not Troops choices. Part of it is fluff, and part of it is that whole "Game Balance" thing.

The only Death Company unit that isn't in the "Troop" FOC slot is Death Company Tycho. Death Company Marines and DC Dreadnoughts are both troop choices, they just aren't scoring units.

Thank you for correcting me. I honestly wasn't aware of that.