Author |
Message |
 |
|
 |
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/21 21:02:52
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
[SWAP SHOP MOD]
Yvan eht nioj
In my Austin Ambassador Y Reg
|
Flashman wrote:Ok, respect to some Libyan fighter pilots, who upon receiving orders to bomb protesters flew their planes to Malta and defected.
I'm surprised more haven't to be quite honest. What manner of soldier would be happy accepting and carrying out orders to shell and shoot their own people?
A lot of the BBC reports seem to suggest that there are large groups of mercenaries roaming the streets, shooting at protesters. Although, worryingly, some accounts suggest that artillery is shelling the cities, which would imply that the army have been given/are carrying out orders to attack the populous.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/22 13:50:03
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
|
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/22/us-libya-protests-idUSTRE71G0A620110222
Unless there is international intervention I don't think Qaddafi is going anywhere, not that I'm saying that we should intervene.
If the Government is willing to use planes and helicopters against protesters I don't think it looks good for the prospect of reform. I guess he didn't go to Venezuela either.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12533069
|
Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
W: 1.756 Quadrillion L: 0 D: 2
Haters gon' hate. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/22 14:45:12
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
|
Nah, Gadaffi would rather stay home and blame the victim(s).
Bang.
|
Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/22 16:38:28
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Preacher of the Emperor
|
filbert wrote:I'm surprised more haven't to be quite honest. What manner of soldier would be happy accepting and carrying out orders to shell and shoot their own people?
The kind who lives high on the hog because the military has the total support of the dictator in chief and a threat to said dictator is a threat to their status.
|
mattyrm wrote: I will bro fist a toilet cleaner.
I will chainfist a pretentious English literature student who wears a beret.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/22 16:46:10
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
[SWAP SHOP MOD]
Yvan eht nioj
In my Austin Ambassador Y Reg
|
Tyyr wrote:filbert wrote:I'm surprised more haven't to be quite honest. What manner of soldier would be happy accepting and carrying out orders to shell and shoot their own people?
The kind who lives high on the hog because the military has the total support of the dictator in chief and a threat to said dictator is a threat to their status.
Which is unlikely to be the average low ranking office and NCO...
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 01:25:27
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
|
Monster Rain wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/22/us-libya-protests-idUSTRE71G0A620110222
Unless there is international intervention I don't think Qaddafi is going anywhere, not that I'm saying that we should intervene.
If the Government is willing to use planes and helicopters against protesters I don't think it looks good for the prospect of reform. I guess he didn't go to Venezuela either.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12533069
Apparently large chunks of the army have turned on him, which means that he has essentially lost.
The question, then, is what will replace him. In general the violent overthrow of authoritarians leads to a government that is every bit as directive as the one that it replaced. Automatically Appended Next Post: filbert wrote:Tyyr wrote:filbert wrote:I'm surprised more haven't to be quite honest. What manner of soldier would be happy accepting and carrying out orders to shell and shoot their own people?
The kind who lives high on the hog because the military has the total support of the dictator in chief and a threat to said dictator is a threat to their status.
Which is unlikely to be the average low ranking office and NCO...
You would be surprised. When the military receives any sort of special status it tends to filter down through the ranks in a way that breeds loyalty.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/23 01:26:59
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 01:27:56
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
|
Albatross wrote:Nah, Gadaffi would rather stay home and blame the victim(s).
Bang.
I KNEW this was going to be posted sooner or later. THANK YOU.
|
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers" |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 02:45:16
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
|
The UN must intervene in Libya immediately; let no victim go unblamed!
|
Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
W: 1.756 Quadrillion L: 0 D: 2
Haters gon' hate. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 03:12:49
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
|
Too late, mate.
|
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers" |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 03:53:15
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
|
I never understood why after 40 year he never made it past Col.?
i think the harder the Liyian govt. cracks, the harder the people will push for freedom.
in the end, i think he goes.
|
"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 05:34:52
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
|
alarmingrick wrote:I never understood why after 40 year he never made it past Col.?
Brilliant.
I think it's probably because he dresses like an aging transvestite, and is so mad he makes Glen Beck look like an accountant.
|
Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/23 10:42:31
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
|
|
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king, |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 02:44:02
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
|
^ I'm still not 100% sure if that is serious or not.
|
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers" |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 02:47:45
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
When I was in London yesterday I saw some protests in front of downing street by Libyans living in the UK, the chanting was rather moving stuff.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 08:10:51
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Frothing Warhound of Chaos
Marysville, WA
|
I'm afraid Mr. Gaddafi (spelling) will end up being drug through the streets of Tripoli... he actions in the last few days have pretty much spelled his doom. There is no way he can keep a hold on Libya now.. IMHO... Just wondering who's next... Iran... Saudi Arabia??
|
(The EYES of Chaos see ALL) GLORY BE TO CHAOS!!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 09:29:15
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
|
Yemen, most likely.
The Iranians had a go a couple of years ago. They may be ready for another go fairly soon.
Bahrain seems to have got things calmed down for the moment.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 10:53:27
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
|
In other news, bears defecate in woodland areas....
BBC wrote:
Colonel Gaddafi 'ordered Lockerbie bombing'
Libya's former justice minister has told a Swedish newspaper that Colonel Gaddafi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing.
Mustafa Abdel-Jalil told Expressen he had proof the Libyan leader was behind the bombing of Pan AM flight 103, which killed 270 people in 1988.
Following the disclosure the Crown Office said it would "pursue such lines of inquiry that become available".
Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was jailed in 2001 for the attack.
However, the Libyan was released on compassionate grounds in August 2009 by the Scottish government after being diagnosed with prostate cancer.
Dumfries and Galloway Police are reportedly monitoring events in Libya in the hope of new leads in the case.
Protest resignation
Expressen quoted Mustafa Abdel-Jalil as telling their correspondent in Libya: "I have proof that Gaddafi gave the order about Lockerbie".
However, he did not describe the evidence.
Abdel-Jalil stepped down as justice minister in protest of the violence used during against anti-government demonstrations.
He told Expressen that Gaddafi gave the order to bomb the plane to Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, the only man convicted of the attack.
He said: "To hide it, he [Gaddafi] did everything in his power to get al-Megrahi back from Scotland."
Expressen spokeswoman Alexandra Forslund said its reporter, Kassem Hamade, interviewed the ex-justice minister at "a local parliament in a large city in Libya".
However, the spokeswoman said she did not want to name the city because of security concerns.
Expressen taped the interview, which was conducted in Arabic and translated into Swedish, Ms Forslund said.
'Disturbing but believable'
Colonel Gaddafi accepted Libya's responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and paid compensation to the victims' families in 2003.
However, he has never admitted personally giving the order for the attack.
Scottish Conservative Deputy Leader, Murdo Fraser MSP said, given recent events, many would find the claim "disturbing but believable".
He added: "If true, it makes all the more questionable the role of the last Labour government's drive to do all it could to send al-Megrahi back to Tripoli."
Well, hopefully we'll see him hang soon. Small consolation, but still..
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/24 10:53:47
Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 11:00:56
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Druid Warder
|
i still find what those two pilots did awesome
Gaddafi: "I order you to bomb those protesters!"
Pilot 1 to Pilot 2: "Soooo... Malta then?"
Pilot 2: "Yep."
|
Hey, I just met you,
and this is crazy,
but I'm a demon,
possess you, maybe?
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 12:37:03
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
|
Kilkrazy wrote:Yemen, most likely.
The Iranians had a go a couple of years ago. They may be ready for another go fairly soon.
Bahrain seems to have got things calmed down for the moment.
Indeed. Rigs were shut down in Bahrain but restarted yesterday.
|
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 12:45:25
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
|
Al-Qaeda backs Libyan protests.
Quite shrewd on their part. They've never been fond of Gaddafi, for much the same reason they were never fond of Saddam, and this is an opportunity for them to influence a government that was quickly becoming a Western collaborator state. Of course, they've never had much a of a presence in Linya, because Gaddafi hated them as much as they hate him, but its certainly worth a shot for them.
|
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 19:43:35
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
!!Goffik Rocker!!
(THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK)
|
dogma wrote:Al-Qaeda backs Libyan protests.
Quite shrewd on their part. They've never been fond of Gaddafi, for much the same reason they were never fond of Saddam, and this is an opportunity for them to influence a government that was quickly becoming a Western collaborator state. Of course, they've never had much a of a presence in Linya, because Gaddafi hated them as much as they hate him, but its certainly worth a shot for them.
Well that complicates things!
|
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 20:04:44
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
|
Albatross wrote:alarmingrick wrote:I never understood why after 40 year he never made it past Col.?
Brilliant.
I think it's probably because he dresses like an aging transvestite, and is so mad he makes Glen Beck look like an accountant.
We used to joke about this as well, I mean, why only a colonel? Its not a particularly high rank. If your giving them out to yourself, you might as well go the whole hog.
Idi Amin made himself a field marshall, he was smart!
|
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 20:05:06
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Daemonic Dreadnought
|
The answer for Libya is the same as it was for Egypt: It all depends on the country's military. Automatically Appended Next Post: dogma wrote:Al-Qaeda backs Libyan protests.
Quite shrewd on their part. They've never been fond of Gaddafi, for much the same reason they were never fond of Saddam, and this is an opportunity for them to influence a government that was quickly becoming a Western collaborator state. Of course, they've never had much a of a presence in Linya, because Gaddafi hated them as much as they hate him, but its certainly worth a shot for them.
Al Qaeda also supports the overthrow of Iranian government because they are Shiite and thus reject their 1 true form of Islam. Does that mean we should support the Iranian government?
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/24 20:08:25
Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 20:40:32
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
|
There are some rumors floating now that Khaddafy was just introduced to a dirt nap.
|
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/24 22:32:02
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
|
schadenfreude wrote:
Al Qaeda also supports the overthrow of Iranian government because they are Shiite and thus reject their 1 true form of Islam. Does that mean we should support the Iranian government?
Where did I imply that the United States should support the Iranian government? Automatically Appended Next Post: Frazzled wrote:There are some rumors floating now that Khaddafy was just introduced to a dirt nap.
Even if that's true, its very likely that his kids have been running the show for some time.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/24 22:33:06
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/27 02:37:26
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
|
Y'know were I a rebel I would NOT want this dude recruiting for me.
"We are trying to organize people who will sacrifice their lives to free Tripoli from the dictator," said Gatrani, who heads the military committee now in charge of the army in Benghazi, 600 miles east of the capital and the first major city to fall under opposition control. But, he cautioned, "Entering Tripoli is not easy. Anyone trying will be shot."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/26/AR2011022602622.html?hpid=topnews Automatically Appended Next Post: mattyrm wrote:Albatross wrote:alarmingrick wrote:I never understood why after 40 year he never made it past Col.?
Brilliant.
I think it's probably because he dresses like an aging transvestite, and is so mad he makes Glen Beck look like an accountant.
We used to joke about this as well, I mean, why only a colonel? Its not a particularly high rank. If your giving them out to yourself, you might as well go the whole hog.
Idi Amin made himself a field marshall, he was smart! 
I heard he gave him self the exam for General 5 times and still failed
Didn't Amin also declare himself Emperor of Scotland?
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/27 02:38:48
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/27 04:38:52
Subject: Re:Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
|
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Didn't Amin also declare himself Emperor of Scotland?
Uncrowned King of Scotland.
Doubly funny because the proper title is King of Scots.
|
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/27 19:10:48
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
|
When Amin was in the British Army, one of his superior officers described him as 'solid bone from the neck up'.
I can believe that.
|
Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/27 19:12:23
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Consigned to the Grim Darkness
|
Personally I think it's pretty much already fallen and the guy's just in denial about it.
|
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/27 23:36:41
Subject: Will Libya Fall?
|
 |
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
schadenfreude wrote:The answer for Libya is the same as it was for Egypt: It all depends on the country's military.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
dogma wrote:Al-Qaeda backs Libyan protests.
Quite shrewd on their part. They've never been fond of Gaddafi, for much the same reason they were never fond of Saddam, and this is an opportunity for them to influence a government that was quickly becoming a Western collaborator state. Of course, they've never had much a of a presence in Linya, because Gaddafi hated them as much as they hate him, but its certainly worth a shot for them.
Al Qaeda also supports the overthrow of Iranian government because they are Shiite and thus reject their 1 true form of Islam. Does that mean we should support the Iranian government?
No, you said it yourself; they're shiite
|
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
My deviantART Profile - Pay No Attention To The Man Behind The Madness
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation |
|
 |
 |
|