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Thats a tough one. I believe Huron has alot of pride, and is full of himself. I think he believes that his army can take on the imperium. So I would say yes he would go out of his way to make his equipment look perfect. He would make sure that his enemy knows (and fears) him.

On the other hand, How much resources does he have in the Maelstrom and how far does his claw reach in the ranks. His 1st company would be pristine, but what about the rest. Pirates, Rebels, converts would they follow suit? If so, to what end? In the last Chaos codex they have chapters converted to the Red Corsairs. They kept their colours but put a Red 'X" over their symbols and icons (I will prolly do this until I have painted them). Pirates have more 'individuals' and therefore less likely to care for the aesthetics.

Rebels are unified, and aesthetics would be 2nd to usefulness. They would have pride in their equipment. It is their lifeline. repair and functionality would be priority over looks. If resources permitted then they keep their equipment in perfect order for their cause.

Lastly, It could be a tactical ploy. If his army looks unorganized and dilapidated, it would confer his enemy with more confidence and more likely make mistakes.

As I said it's a tough one! and prolly needs much debate and that why I'm asking for suggestions and Ideas. Right now I have one converted SW Rhino for Hurons Wolves. Should I assimilate Bunkers army to look Pristine Red Corsairs, or a dilapidated Black & Red with his colours seeping through, or Pristine Bunker units w/ the Red Corsairs 'X'?

Here are his pics:

I think at least in some cases... leaving the original colors in tact with just the "X" to show the assimilation into the corsairs would be a very powerful image... especially when combined with elite units that "pure" corsair and wear the full colors. The simple act of NOT re-painting the armor into the corsair colors shows defiance and disdain for the established order...

Very appealing to me on a number of levels... an outward rejection of Imperial philosophy expressed on their armor.

That a good point. I plan on doing the same for your Mantis warrior you made me. I plan on the whole squad to match his colours in defiance of the Emperor. Well that will happen after I finish my marine and terrain. Until then keep him safe lol

I guess for now I will paint the 'X" on them all until I sort out which will be painted or not

Sounds like a plan my friend!

So I put my models in the freezer and I forgot all about them, Until the 'My Old Lady' opened the freezer to figure out what to make for dinner.... Rhino Stew, Predator Sandwich. lol

With some force I manage to separate the Storm Bolters, remove the top hatches and open the back hatch. Only one back hatch refused to open. On one top hatch a little tab broke off. I removed it w/ and exacto knife and glued it back into place. I'm really happy how this turned out.

Thanks Earthbeard

As for the rest I'm not to worried about it, but if I do I will go with the nail polish technique.



So a few months back I created a Warhammer group Toronto WH40K and I met a great group of players. We try to play once or twice a month.

Well last Sat April 2nd I was having a horrible day! we were to meet at a certain FLGS around 11am. I met up with one player before hand and we had breakfast. We ended up getting to the FLGS around 10:45am. We got in as soon as they opened and headed to the basement gaming room. This place was disgusting! It was dirty and smelled like feces. Turns out the sanitary pipe was disconnected for the trap of a fixture above. 10min later a repair guy came by and extended the pipe to the trap. Around that time we noticed roaches. Some magic kids were about to sit at a table under the "fixed" pipe when sewage splashed on their table. That was it and we left. I felt horrible because I had no way to warn the others.

So my buddy and I went to a GW instead and we had a quick game because I had not much time left. During my rush, I knocked over my defiler smashing it to pieces (the good one) and about 5-6 marines, them breaking as well. Some fat guy knocked over my $7k laptop... but I caught it by the corner at the last second. Later while chewing gum(which I haven't done for a long time) I bit my tongue to the point where it was bleeding. To top it all off I also lost the game out right.

I got out of there, jumped into the van, and picked up "The Old Crow'. On the way home on the highway. a few cars in front slammed on the breaks. I stoped in time, and we were ok but my mini flew (and me bing too cheap to buy real cases, they were in boxes) and spilled out and alot of them broke.


So now I have alot of repairing to do

Look at it this way.... you just worked off an entire year's worth of bad Karma in one day. Should be clear sailing from here on out!

You might also talk to the heath department about that FLGS, seriously... that's not OK. Especially where kids are involved who might not realize the risks.

So I did some repairing last night. My good Defilier, the one that shattered is fixed again, although one claw will no longer open or close. I had to glue it in place. The rest of it wasn't difficult to repair. So it looks as good as it did before the accident.

Glued back together some of the damaged marines. I still have a few to go.

Tonight if I find time, I will prolly work on the Terrain piece for Il Duce.

So I had my second game against More Dakka and his Bad Moon Orks. I don't think I have ever been wiped out completely before. We had a Pitched battle, Annihilation game. and thats what he did annihilated my Corsairs. I bought a new set of dice and they worked! So I can't blame them ( I can only blame the Codex now haha)

He built a Killa-Kan wall which I couldn't get through. Also being Squad based I couldn't kill them either. I played More Dakka before and in that game 1 squad of 8 bezerkers killed 30 of his orks in a few turns. So I expected this again so I up'ed my zerkers to 10 and added Skull Champions with power swords.

Boy was I surprised! Figuring my Zerks had no chance against these walking garbage cans I hesitated and held them back. This ended up being my fatal mistake:



For as you can see I blocked my self in and created a wall wreaked rhinos. Which he overcame. My bloodthirstily Berzerkers fought really hard causing more wounds then ever before. but it was not effective enough. I had 3 squads fighting his one Hq squad. but his Boss had some field and the rest had feel no pain and on top of that each had more then one wound. So they held their ground. I don't think I faced anything this tough before.

It didn't take long for his Kans and boys to catch up ans slowly take my squads out one at a time:



All dead, 3 ineffective squads dead! I had the best rolls of my life and I could get passed the double saves.

Turn 4 all I had left was a chosen squad in a rhino that outflanked on the wrong side and 2 Chaos Marines holding back the horde:



My chosen managed to kill a Kan for my one and only kill point before ... they died by 'Mr Happy':



More Dakka's Deff Dread

If there anything I missed or that More Dakka can fill in by all means. I need to fig out a counter for this. I cant wait to play him again, hopefully I'll be ready.

These are great Red Corsairs Styrofoam04 your models are brillantly painted and have a good clean look to the armour , can't wait to see Hurons Wolves as a really like the Wolf of Fernis story in the CSM Codex. Subscribing to the thread.

Nob squads are really tough, 2 wounds, better armor, invuls if you pay for them, FNP, multiple PKs... there's a lot to contend with. Put them on bikes and it's even worse.

Kans are great... love them. Decent BS and their low WS does not hamper them all that much in CC (table is favorable). I'm assuming he had a mek w/ KFF somewhere?

Orks are a tough nut to crack... very competitive, multiple ways to get invuls. They do have problems popping heavy armor from a distance, but even the rank-and-file are formidable in CC and they'll be all over you by turn 2.

As a marine player who also plays orks... I have a couple of suggestions, but they're far from a sure thing.

- Bottling up the advance is a good thing. If you can sacrifice a cheap rhino or two to plug a hole, it's usually worth the extra turn of shooting it buys you. That's terrain dependent though.
- Taking out transports is important. That nob squad is no where near as imposing if it's foot-slogging it's way across the field.
- Pie plates (even weak ones) can really hurt them.
- Kans can be killed by immobilization as they're taken in squadrons, giving you a 50% chance for a kill on a pen & even a chance for a kill on a glance.
- Beware battlewagons w/ deff rollas... (brings back Adepticon nightmares... *shudder*)
- One rifleman dread (don't know if you can take these) can completely ruin a Kan squads day due to shot allocation rules.

Nice to see your boys in action Styro. Keep the faith brother! (or lack of it)

Great game man,

I had a lot of fun, and it was also fun just hanging out and chatting about 40K stuff while we were playing.

One thing that was left out in this batrep is the sheer destruction that my Lootaz caused all game. I had 12 in a building on the top left corner of the board (from the perspective of the pictures).

All of the craters you see on the board are the remnants of 4 rhinos and 2 defilers that the Lootaz blew up in each round. I attribute this to luck and the fact that they were un-harassed all game. I rolled the full 36 shots on them every round but one where I rolled a 4 and got 24 shots (I think 22 cause 1 guy didn't have LOS).

If they had been killed/routed or just worn down a bit in T1 then most of those vehicles would have survived all game (I honestly had no other contingency for the Defilers).

The Nobz just shined that game, I think I just had amazing rolls with them as I fully expected them to be killed when you charged with the berzerkers and CSM squad with the PF. But btwn 4+, 5++, FNP and full wound allocation they just kept shrugging off turn after turn of punishment until 1 Kan and 30 Boyz got in to support them.

For those interested it was a WB with PK BP AS Cybork and EA, Big Mek with Kff and Burna, 6 Nobz inc Painboy with Cybork, 1 PK and Waaagh banner, 2 Uge Choppas, 2 slugga choppas, all equipped for wound allocation.

Thanks Blood Reaper. As for the Huron's wolves I've done a little work on the test model but hes not finished. But just for you I took some pictures with my new phone

Gitsplitta wrote:
- Bottling up the advance is a good thing. If you can sacrifice a cheap rhino or two to plug a hole, it's usually worth the extra turn of shooting it buys you. That's terrain dependent though.

During the game with my Rhino wall I thought of your battle report at Adepticon 2011 at first I thought it was good, but I should have played more aggressively I should have had 2 full squads of zerkers charge the kans 40+ 6str attacks

More Dakka wrote:One thing that was left out in this batrep is the sheer destruction that my Lootaz caused all game.

Thanks I tried to block that out of my memory
I was grateful that the FLGS we play at had plenty of craters!

The Test model looks really good , especially the armours colours and the converted Melta. Will any of the Huron's Wolfs be affected by the Malestorms Warp energy? Like mutated Wolfen or unaffected.

So after my major defeat, I have decided to take the first step towards converting my army from Chaos to Renegade Marine. I have posted in the 40k army list forum for help converting my list. I have picked up and started reading other codex's in order to make the transition. SW looks promising and balanced. But BA is about CC and my army is too. Then there is regular SM

I anyone can help with my list please post here
If you have suggestions modeling the conversion then by all means stay here

Thanks for everyones help

Since I have been working on my Red Corsairs list using the SW codex. I have converted and painted some of my Berzerkers. These three are based on my test model and are still WIP. Ever since I moved I have been unable to find a good spot to take pictures. I been thinking og either building or buying a light box. But in the mean time I'll post want I can


single shots:

I tried to do the glow around the eyes. I think I need more practice


My first attempt at ginger


And Zerker the barbarian

They're looking really nice Styro! I think this is a good fit for your army.

Awesome Bezerkers and using the Space Wolves Codex will work well for you're great army.

So help me god if you just vandalize my tanks and leave remnants of my paint jobs on them they'll be the first thing I blow up every game we play

Bunker wrote:So help me god if you just vandalize my tanks and leave remnants of my paint jobs on them they'll be the first thing I blow up every game we play

What are you even talking about?

blood reaper wrote:

Bunker wrote:So help me god if you just vandalize my tanks and leave remnants of my paint jobs on them they'll be the first thing I blow up every game we play

What are you even talking about?

The tanks he's talking about used to belong to me.

So now he owns them and may paint them if he wishes to. Am I correct? Or is their more?

blood reaper wrote:So now he owns them and may paint them if he wishes to. Am I correct? Or is their more?

And you honestly thought I was upset about it?

Calm down, I was making a joke and trying to create a little friendly competition. There's no need to be so dramatic.

Ha Ha too funny!

Don't worry Bunker, I'll just Vandalize them all!
That way when I run down your army with you own tanks, you'll think twice before crossing Paths with The Red Corsairs!


Just in case you missed the post:

Styrofoam04 wrote:

So I bought some items from Bunker's swap:

2 Razorbacks/Rhinos

5 Missile Launcher Marines

2 Dreadnoughts (AoBR)

2 Predators

I got a good price for them. The paint job on them was done with an air brush and it looks pretty decent.

The next step would be if I should paint them all or not. Now My army, being the Red Corsairs, they pretty much take technologies and refit them. So should I leave them the way they are and just put a red 'X' on them? Should I do the hairspray method and paint over them and scratch way the top layer paint to show the colours underneath? Or do I just paint them in my colours?

Suggestions really needed

So I finally Had a few games with my Red Corsairs as SW.

"Huron's Wolves"

There is a tournament in July that i would like to go to, So I need to practice my SW. A few Guys and I from the Toronto WH40K thread met up at a local FLGS and had a few games.

I had 2 games. both 1500pts and both against BA players.

My list

HQ: Huron Blackheart
1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour, (Belt of Russ;Wolf Tail Talisman; Power Weapon x1; Powerfist x1)

Elite:
9 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol ; Power Weapon x9)
1 Rhino

Troops:
10 Grey Hunters Pack, (Meltagun x2)
1 Rhino

10 Grey Hunters Pack, (Meltagun x2)
1 Rhino

10 Grey Hunters Pack, (Meltagun x2)
1 Rhino

Heavy Support:
5 Long Fangs Pack, (Missile Launcher x5)
1 Squad Leader (Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon)
1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

1 Predator, (Lascannon (each side))

1 Predator, (Lascannon (each side))

1447pts

Not the best SW list, but it suits my play style.

The first game was C&C with Dawn of War. This was my first time using the SW codex and for that reason my opponent decided to make a fun list. It was a good game that lasted 7 turns. If it ended on the 6th turn it would have been a tie. At this point He had wiped out my long Fangs and a unit of Grey Hunters at my control point, but he failed to destroy my Rhino which contested it. Huron and His Wolf Guard and the other 2 Grey Hunter units had to foot slog for 3 turns, but finally in the 6th turn I was able to contest the other control point for the tie. We then rolled for an additional turn and rolled a 6. Game On!! Huron and his Wolf Guard wiped out the remaining unit in 1 assault for the Win!

It was a great first game. I believe that if he had stuck to his original list he would have won.

The second game was against Bunker. It ended up being annihilation with Spear Head. Bunker Had the advantage for I have alot of units and rhinos. A few of the guys who were cheering me on were telling me that I have to hit him hard, because he can get more kill points off of me. The luck was in my corner (and my new dice)! ... I only lost a total of 3 kill points! He forfeited in the 3rd turn with not much left on the board.

Bunker wanted to waste away the tanks that my army pillaged from him, he managed to wreak one and immobilize another. The other two were unscathed! After the BA retreat these tanks and many BA tanks were salvaged to be used another Day for the Lord of the Maelstrom!

VVV I added these battles into my Signature Battle Reports banners. hopefully there will be a different pattern from my Chaos VVV

Here's a question. Now that I'm using the SW codex, should I start a new WIP thread?

My Colour scheme is not changing, and they will still be the Red Corsairs Just more wolfy.

2nd question: Should I keep the name "Red Corsairs" or change it to "Huron's Wolves"?

Hey Styro! For my money, keep the notoriety of your current blog UNLESS you thing that making a space wolf titled blog will draw in new readers (i.e. Space Wolf geeks). Same goes for your second question. I think you've earned a lot of cache' with this blog & it can stand on it's own merits... but it's your call.

Thanks Gits, I'll continue this thread and Keep the Red Corsairs name.
My next question about this blog is the first page. I wanted it to be my army list with its current WIP photos. Now that the Army has changed should I change it to my new army or leave it and post a new list on this page?

I'd agree with Gits. They are still going to be RCs, just a different flavor, and while you may pick up new people with a new blog, you will also likely loose some as well.

I think the front page (OP) is kind of a living document. Especially since this blog is still young, you'll get a lot of people reading it from the OP. So if it's relevant, changing the OP to reflect your current activity makes a lot of sense. However you don't want the following posts to not make any sense or be confusing once the OP is changed... so there's a balance to strike there.

I would recommend re-organizing it a bit, showing all the completed items at the top to get people's interest up, then the various stages of WIP projects from mostly done to less and less done. That way people can scroll down and see more and more pieces elevated to "complete" status, it also gives them an idea of your priorities as you build and paint.

I saw a cool picture in an old white dwarf from maybe 10+ years ago.

The guy was doing red corsairs, however in each squad he had 1 or 2 models who were ging through the "change"

For example he had a deathwing terminator who had decided to join the red corsairs, he painted the model as Deathwing, then over the top began painting the red corsair colours as if the armour was gradually changing (iirc he painted the model half red and half bone, going diagonally across, the loyalist half kept its original arm, but the red side had a chaos arm, the red then looked like it was branching or running (like tracks of blood) into the bone armour).

Good God that was long winded, but it may be a way to do the marines as they transform in to Corsairs.

Also I cannot remember which bookmaybe legends of the spacemarines, has a story about Huron Blackheart and Honsou of the Iron Warriors.
Huron owns a world, and has a vast army and resources, every so often he holds a competition on his world where mighty champions vie for the honour of creating an army and causing mayhem in the Imperium. Each defeated champions army joins that of the vanquisher until 1 stands with a vast army. To the victor Huron lends a portion of his army who then fight in his name.

So with those kinds of resources and the geneseed he stole from a loyalist chapter which were then doomed to extinction. Every warrior could be made to bend the knee and wear his colours, however recent inductees may still wear their own colours but defile the aquilla and cross out their chapter insignia in red until Huron could outfit them properly.

Just my thoughts