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Warpsolution wrote:And that is probably the best way to do it.

Everyone talks about "making up its points", but that's a lot harder said than done. There are a lot of other elements to the game beyond that.

Personally, I think making it's points is something more appropriate in 40K. Fantasy(IMO) is more about units in support each other than 40K.

Warpsolution wrote:If there weren't, I'd just want an army of Engineers with Doom rockets.

Too bad Doomrockets are Magic Weapons and therefore 1 per army, huh?

Squash wrote:...Did we completely skip muskets? Are there muskets in the game?

No, only handguns, which I mentioned two posts above yours.

HawaiiMatt wrote:Ever try long beard rangers defending a watch tower mission?
It's brutal. 10-20 S5 shots (depending on the size of the tower) every round, with a stand and fire too

Stand and fire is only once though.

Lord Solar Plexus wrote:Stand and fire is only once though.

In a building it's more than once.

Mmm... gotta love ranged units in buildings.

Especially with poisoned javelins...

HoverBoy wrote:

Lord Solar Plexus wrote:Stand and fire is only once though.

In a building it's more than once.

Really? I missed that one.

Guess I gotta buy some Jezzails afterall.

Yes, my Beastmen love shooti-oh wait.

I absolutely love my Flamers.

They are expensive but 2 W T4 and S5 in CC, they van march and shoot, with good BS, Volume, and damage.

I'm trying to fit in a 2nd unit in my hard boys list, but we shall see.

Some good advice in here. Especialy making back points not being the goal.
When using Thunderers my best advice is to roll dice like a Beardy Dwarf. On averages they may not look so hot, but when I bring a unit of 12 they often perform better than thier equal of crossbows for me, against Toughness 3 enemies i Have hit/wounded with all 12 shots and denied any armor save, and while that's extraordinary it can and does happen for me. Against tougher enemies they often make the difference in wether or not my melee units will win combat by shaving.

Thing is with charges going farther in 8th ed, shooting isn't what it was. which in my oppinion is a good thing. Too many dwarf players would feild an anvil and a gunline, and ignore the rest of thier army. They wouldn't always be crazy successfull, but playing that way required little skill or thought, and could lead to easy wins.

Long story short- shooting will often not and should not win games by itself (usualy) in 8th ed, and thunderers are priced the way they are because of the options they provide a Dwarf army, not vs an empire handgunner.
Shooting can be worth the while if you use it right, but that's realy up to Your playstyle and how You can make it work for you.

HoverBoy wrote:

Lord Solar Plexus wrote:Stand and fire is only once though.

In a building it's more than once.

Where did you see this? 1" is too short, and I didn't find anything to allow it.

Oops, i'm used to having javelins...
Quick to fire FTW.