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Well that's another point. Let say Orks go first they will no doubt start 12" from the board edge and move 12" that's 24" across the board anyway. The Tau would probably start on the board edge, Tau shoot probably pop a few Wagons or use the blocking gig. Orks move around the skimmers 12" bail out 2" waaagh lets say 4" average and assault 6" getting into assault with the Tau.

If Tau go the other way around assault will just be put back another turn as Tau turbo boost forward and use blocking, which Orks will go around or shoot out the way, Piranhas will go down in squadrons. Orks just roll up and bail out when ready.

The Tau appear don't have enough guns needing 50% chance to glance a Wagon which will more than likely have 50% chance to save. Piranha will have fusion which more than likely will pen but still 50% chance to save, next turn Orks bail out and weight of attacks even needing 6+ will bring the skimmers down.

Now say using Devilfish as blockers which have a bigger foot print might work better. But I think 270 points odd is a lot just to act as a speed bump for a turn and buy some time for a turn or two.

mercer wrote:Sigh...you won't block Lootas in ruins

Yah, I know your lootas will come charging at me

mercer wrote:you won't block Deffkopters

You don't need Piranhas to block off koptas. you use kroots.

mercer wrote:you won't block Grots who are objective holding.

Once more, I know you are joking. Either that, or you don't interpret what I mean by "blocking".

mercer wrote:You will block Battlewagons only which can either use deffrollas and you won't dodge all of them

I just have to dodge 1/2 of them (and I actually have 2/3 chance) and the job is done.

mercer wrote:and can use shoota fire on the side armour which will make some dead Piranha.

Kudos. You move 6" and fire, I m happy enough. I tried to slow you down, and you fell right into it.

mercer wrote:Nothing more than a expensive 240 point over priced speed bump which is a one trick pony.

Doesn't matter one or 2 trick. There is only one game. If it wins me the game by slowing you down, it's a good enough trick.

mercer wrote:You keep saying how easy it is to blow up Wagons with railguns but forgetting about the KFF, it's 50% chance to glance and 50% chance to save so I wouldn't count your chickens yet of Battlewagons blowing up yet.

You keep saying I discounted KFF, please quote me. The blocking aspect wouldnt even take KFF into account. Or are you confused?

mercer wrote:Is blocking the best thing since sliced bread? No, it's over rated.

You know what? Till you post some winning BatReps for GT. Otherwise, I see your last claim here as coming from someone who so far have only played with amateur Tau players. The generic comment holds zero weight.

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RIPPEDDRAGON wrote:Tau is so outdated and should never beat orks period.

Of course. Similarly , you are so outdated that I can win you even with a 200 pts handicap.

You don't realize this kind of comments helps nothing in a debate, do you?

Ah you said your Piranha blockage wall will block my entire army...won't block my entire army though will it? And I didn't say Lootas will charge either

And how are Kroot going to block Kopters within the first turn? Kopters stay hidden, depending on mission and who goes first of course.

Yes I am joking about the Grots - can't beat a bit of trolling see, I caught you there

Yup you'll probably dodge half the Wagons but rest won't which will more than likely see the Piranhas toasted thanks to squadron rules which means a open blockade for Wagons to move.

I didn't actually fall into anything, you're making it sound like your tricked me. You actually did a funky move which I can't do a fat lot about besides blow you out the way which is pefectly doable.

You won't win the game by slowing me down though You haven't got the fire power to capitalise on it. All you doing is stopping the Orks getting into assault sooner and getting more shots on them. Even if you blow up said Battlewagons can you take out all those Orks with the Tau fire power? I honestly don't think so.

You keep saying how easy it is to blow up Battlewagons with railguns there fore have discounted the KFF save. Your point of blocking is to hold me back to shoot me with railguns. I think you're confused here as you cannot remember your own tactic

Don't hold your breath about GT batreps because I don't fancy wasting money just to prove I'm better at playing toy soliders than someone else . I've also said that I've played against newbie Tau player, said that several times...

mercer wrote:Ah you said your Piranha blockage wall will block my entire army...won't block my entire army though will it? And I didn't say Lootas will charge either

It does block the advance of your entire army. I don't know what you are talking about, but I guess you didnt understand 'blocking' or couldn't picture yourself being 'blocked'.

mercer wrote:And how are Kroot going to block Kopters within the first turn? Kopters stay hidden, depending on mission and who goes first of course.

Serious? You are asking how kroots block off koptas? You ve never heard of bubble wrapping? After all these attempted argument, you surprised me.

mercer wrote:Yes I am joking about the Grots - can't beat a bit of trolling see, I caught you there

I cant beat you in trolling. I have to acknowledge that

mercer wrote:Yup you'll probably dodge half the Wagons but rest won't which will more than likely see the Piranhas toasted thanks to squadron rules which means a open blockade for Wagons to move.

1,2,1 formation. How is it that all Piranhas get toasted? Are you even following?

mercer wrote:I didn't actually fall into anything, you're making it sound like your tricked me. You actually did a funky move which I can't do a fat lot about besides blow you out the way which is pefectly doable.

You chose to fall into it yourself. Either you ram the Piranhas, or you drive round to get side shots - you choose one. You said you choose to shot, which is a more stupid decision because you sacrifice maximum movement. So I did a funky move, and you tripped yourself 2 times over

mercer wrote:You won't win the game by slowing me down though You haven't got the fire power to capitalise on it. All you doing is stopping the Orks getting into assault sooner and getting more shots on them. Even if you blow up said Battlewagons can you take out all those Orks with the Tau fire power? I honestly don't think so.

I m not surprised you don't think so. YOur opponents' lists are so far crap (as agreed by most people). 1 railgun ( ), couple of crisis suits (what?!?!), stealth suits, and tons of upgrades on devilfish

Properly built, 24 SMS shots from Bsides, 9 AC shots, 9 plasma shots (rapid if 12"), over the course of 3-4 turns (thanks to bubble wrapping - yeah go read it up), will decimate your mass of bodies. Not going to insult your intelligence by mathhammering the obvious. I m sure you can work that out.

mercer wrote:You keep saying how easy it is to blow up Battlewagons with railguns there fore have discounted the KFF save. Your point of blocking is to hold me back to shoot me with railguns. I think you're confused here as you cannot remember your own tactic

Ok, i see you have slight problem with mathhammering. I help you out here.
Assuming 4 TL Railguns - 3.56 hits, 1.78 unsaved, 0.6 wagon useless a turn on average (thx to OT and AP1). I discount glance results.
18 MP shots on side armour (I m going to need to manuever abit, but not a problem thx to JSJ) - 9 hits, 0.75 unsaved pens, 0.625 wagon uselss a turn on average (thx to OT). I discount glance results
Optional
3 Melta on rear armour (assuming lootas destroyed one the first turn), 2 hits, 1 unsaved pens, 0.833 wagon useless (thx to OT and AP1). This will only happen after turn 1.

That's 2.06 wagons useless per turn (1.23 on turn 1), ignoring all glance results. Each turn that my 280 pts of Piranhas delay you, I add that to my score sheet.
You want the cruel fact, I gave it to you.

mercer wrote:Don't hold your breath about GT batreps because I don't fancy wasting money just to prove I'm better at playing toy soliders than someone else . I've also said that I've played against newbie Tau player, said that several times...

I know that, seeing that there's alot of things you don't know.

It doesn't block the entire advancement of my army though does it? My entire army is everything the clue is entire Kopters are free to do what I want, can still move Gretchin, Lootas whatever. Point is it will block Battlewagons or transports only, not the entire army.

I didn't ask how Kroot block stuff off, once again you miss words, I said how Kroot are going to block Kopters in turn 1 seems you said you can block my entire army and use Kroot - bubblewrap and blocking are slightly different procedure but same thing more or less.

No, I don't think you can beat me at trolling

No I didn't fall into anything we've discussed this already. You said you'd drive your funky skimmers up 1" away from the Battlewagons. I'm not falling into anything, you're doing that on your own you're not tricking me and I'm not falling into one of your traps you've just done a good move. I do not need to do anything to get caught by it so stop saying I fell into it like you've got one over me, which is utterly false. All you've done is blocked my movement for a single turn, which you even said yourself a few paragraphs below you will move them to melta my arse off - then I'm free to move on again, yay!

I've even agreed myself they're not the best, I swear I've said that several times but you have selective reading

Ahb yeah you're right of 3-4 turns that probably would kill all the Orks on foot, but you honestly don't think they're standing there do you? C'Mon Strider be realistic you know they will be assaulting and killing Tau and you won't be shooting at nothing. Won't take 3-4 turns for Orks to get into combat and you won't get 3-4 turns of shooting.

Yeah I obivously have a problem doing mathshammer when I said you have 50% chance to glance...and I have 50% chance to save, did you miss that with your selective reading agian? You can't get side armour shots on me remember because you've blocked me with your funky Piranha wall and I'm on my side of the table, you forget that? You can't melta my rear armour because you've blocked me remember. Yeah cruel fact you'll take out a single Wagon on turn one, like I've already said more or less you'll have 50% chance...

I think you have a problem reading. I've already told you my opponents list could be better. I've already told you that you have 50% chance of doing Wagon damage which using common sense would mean little destroyed, which you've proven with your mathshammer in effort to debunk me.

Yes there's probably a lot stuff I don't know. Best read some Tau battle reports so I can learn about Tau when I can't stand them, yeah, makes real sense.

To be honest I've actually agreed with you on majority of things apart from blocking and you're actually arguing with me about me agreeing with you, lol, that looks awesome on your behalf . Also your selective reading doesn't help either

mercer wrote:It doesn't block the entire advancement of my army though does it? My entire army is everything the clue is entire Kopters are free to do what I want, can still move Gretchin, Lootas whatever. Point is it will block Battlewagons or transports only, not the entire army.

Sure then. Walk your lootas towards me. Like I said, either you don't understand the concept of "slowing the advancement of your army", or you are trolling with the word "block" here.

mercer wrote:I didn't ask how Kroot block stuff off, once again you miss words, I said how Kroot are going to block Kopters in turn 1 seems you said you can block my entire army and use Kroot - bubblewrap and blocking are slightly different procedure but same thing more or less.

However you want to continue trolling with your usage of the words here, the fact remains the same. Your Koptas won't threaten the important parts of my army thx to bubble wrapping.

mercer wrote:No, I don't think you can beat me at trolling

Of course., simply from the fact that I spew quality stuff and you don't

mercer wrote:No I didn't fall into anything we've discussed this already. You said you'd drive your funky skimmers up 1" away from the Battlewagons. I'm not falling into anything, you're doing that on your own you're not tricking me and I'm not falling into one of your traps you've just done a good move. I do not need to do anything to get caught by it so stop saying I fell into it like you've got one over me, which is utterly false. All you've done is blocked my movement for a single turn, which you even said yourself a few paragraphs below you will move them to melta my arse off - then I'm free to move on again, yay!

Except that you are moving on foot

mercer wrote:I've even agreed myself they're not the best, I swear I've said that several times but you have selective reading

I didnt say you did not. Who's having problem with reading here ?

mercer wrote:Ahb yeah you're right of 3-4 turns that probably would kill all the Orks on foot, but you honestly don't think they're standing there do you? C'Mon Strider be realistic you know they will be assaulting and killing Tau and you won't be shooting at nothing. Won't take 3-4 turns for Orks to get into combat and you won't get 3-4 turns of shooting.

Your words in bold tell me you don't understand bubble wrapping. You seriously are arguing for the sake of arguing

mercer wrote:Yeah I obivously have a problem doing mathshammer when I said you have 50% chance to glance...and I have 50% chance to save, did you miss that with your selective reading agian?

I factored all that into my mathhammer above, but obviously you have problem also interpreting mathhammer laid out in front of you. I can't help it if you don't understand math.

mercer wrote:You can't get side armour shots on me remember because you've blocked me with your funky Piranha wall and I'm on my side of the table, you forget that?

I don't understand what you mean by I cant get your side armour when you are on your side of the table. Maybe you play on a 4 by 4 table. I play on a 6 by 4 table though.

mercer wrote:You can't melta my rear armour because you've blocked me remember. Yeah cruel fact you'll take out a single Wagon on turn one, like I've already said more or less you'll have 50% chance...

I said that have to happen after my 1st turn of blocking. Please read. The only time i can't melta your arse on the 2nd turn is if your wagon all move back (instead of advancing) towards your side of the table with their front facing my Piranhas. But that would be hilarious.

mercer wrote:I think you have a problem reading. I've already told you my opponents list could be better. I've already told you that you have 50% chance of doing Wagon damage which using common sense would mean little destroyed, which you've proven with your mathshammer in effort to debunk me.

And my mathhammer was one which factored in your KFF. It was one which factored in shots, hits, pens, KFF save, and damage table result. Sorry to disappoint you, but that was the result - avg of 2 wagons rendered useless a turn (except for turn 1 - 1.22 wagon)

mercer wrote:To be honest I've actually agreed with you on majority of things apart from blocking and you're actually arguing with me about me agreeing with you, lol, that looks awesome on your behalf . Also your selective reading doesn't help either

To be frank, it's only from your last post that I realize we aren't even arguing on the same frequency.
You don't know what's bubble wrapping,
You can't do basic mathhammering (even when I laid them out),
You spew nonsense like me not being able to get side shots of your wagon on a 6 by 4 table because my Piranhas blocked you.
Oh, and I m not trying to make you agree. I just feel good showing you how wrong you are. I always do that to newbies who thinks they know stuff

You're not getting your own words BLOCK MY ENTIRE ARMY. You're not blocking my entire army, you're blocking a large portion of it. A big difference...and yeah, I'm just picking on your words to make you look daft

I don't want to particularly threaten important parts of your army with Deffkoptas as it greatly depends on the mission being played and whose going first.

What quality stuff is that then? Block my ENTIRE army with a squadron of Piranhas and unload several meltas shots into a single Wagon after you've moved letting me move on, nice one

Yeah I forgot I am moving on foot and can get a 18" assault range and I'm already 12" from my board edge only another 14" to go to the other side of the table give or take some because of your model saves, silly me...

No, you implied that I said Tau are rubbish and your argument is that Tau are not rubbish and it's the opponent list which makes me think they're rubbish, which I've agreed with you..

Yeah I don't understand bubblewrapping..you gonna get Kroot to bubblewrap everything? How exactly are your Kroot going to hold in assault when they have no armour saves eh? Not much bubblewrapping if they can't do the job.

Yeah I have a problem with mathshammer when I've told you repeatedly it's 50% to do certain stuff, you've just gone into more detail that's all.

And when you do move second turn you're unloading several melta shots into a single tank, lol.

Your result pretty much agrees with me, and that's you won't take out all the Battlewagons before I reach your lines. Thanks for agreeing with me

Indeed your frequency is a lot lower than mine. You're just getting upset because I've said your Tau are disappointing and you don't like it I've hurt your models feelings, well sorry but they're toy soliders they will get over it. You're also a bit pissed because I said I'll take care of your blocking gig even though you're using rubbish squadrons lol. Yes definately shown a newbie where I am going wrong when looks like I'm not actually new and I don't really care about Tau tactics because I don't play them and that fact you're little blocking gig will only work one turn which you've agreed.

What makes this worse is you're having a fantasy 40k game with me over dakka and desperate to beat me in a war of tactics, dude you're from another country I don't even care what you say. I've already shown you up by agreeing with you and you're arguing that . Dude if you think Tau rule then go for it, but honestly, they're not that good that's why their codex ranks low for..

mercer wrote:You're not getting your own words BLOCK MY ENTIRE ARMY. You're not blocking my entire army, you're blocking a large portion of it. A big difference...and yeah, I'm just picking on your words to make you look daft

Well then, not going to help. You 're just going to make yourself look foolish doing that.

mercer wrote:I don't want to particularly threaten important parts of your army with Deffkoptas as it greatly depends on the mission being played and whose going first.

Ok, so they do nothing until you decide what you want them do to me

mercer wrote:What quality stuff is that then? Block my ENTIRE army with a squadron of Piranhas and unload several meltas shots into a single Wagon after you've moved letting me move on, nice one

On foot :-). And actually, everything. Mathhammer, coherent argument, etc. Everything that you didnt manage to do based on the comments you gave.

mercer wrote:Yeah I forgot I am moving on foot and can get a 18" assault range and I'm already 12" from my board edge only another 14" to go to the other side of the table give or take some because of your model saves, silly me...

You are right - silly you. You assume people are that dumb to deploy right across the board opposite you. And of course, you assume you are always going first

mercer wrote:No, you implied that I said Tau are rubbish and your argument is that Tau are not rubbish and it's the opponent list which makes me think they're rubbish, which I've agreed with you..

Oh you did? Ok i registered that now - that you now don't think Tau are rubbish.

mercer wrote:Yeah I don't understand bubblewrapping..you gonna get Kroot to bubblewrap everything? How exactly are your Kroot going to hold in assault when they have no armour saves eh? Not much bubblewrapping if they can't do the job.

That's alright, I m always more than willing to help the newbies.
I have 2 squads of kroots, and 8-10 drones, thx to Piranhas (and devilfish, depending on lists)
That gives me 3 layers of infantry wall. I wrap them around my Crisis Suits and Broadsides, which are the important fire power element of my army.
You assault the first outer layer of kroots, they fold. My turn, my whole army shoots.
You assault the 2nd layer of kroots, they fold. My turn, ...
You assault the layer of drones, they fold. My turn, ...

Yeah, that's bubble wrapping. It's not about holding in assaults - I don't know where you learn your stuff from. But this is a fundamental concept known largely by the community.

mercer wrote:Yeah I have a problem with mathshammer when I've told you repeatedly it's 50% to do certain stuff, you've just gone into more detail that's all.

And my figures were all derived after halving. This is like the 3rd time i m saying this? Or was it really that hard to understand for you?

mercer wrote:And when you do move second turn you're unloading several melta shots into a single tank, lol.

How is that so when my formation is 1,2,1? Or are you not getting this as well?

mercer wrote:Your result pretty much agrees with me, and that's you won't take out all the Battlewagons before I reach your lines. Thanks for agreeing with me

I would guess if you have 4 wagons, best case scenario is one wagon will reach my line. Thanks to bubble wrapping, even the best case scenario don't scare me.

mercer wrote:Indeed your frequency is a lot lower than mine.

Haha, I knew you would troll on that. I dont know how old you are, but you sure don't speak like an adult. Doesnt matter, you define the word "lower" however you want. The bottomline is you are on the ignorant side.

mercer wrote:your blocking gig even though you're using rubbish squadrons lol. Yes definately shown a newbie where I am going wrong when looks like I'm not actually new and I don't really care about Tau tactics because I don't play them and that fact you're little blocking gig will only work one turn which you've agreed.

A tactic which would win me the game and cost you your game. I wouldnt mind if anyone call them rubbish :-).
In Stelek's game, it actually lasted the whole game, due to terrain and it being 2.5k game.
However, 1 turn is the minimum.

mercer wrote:What makes this worse is you're having a fantasy 40k game with me over dakka and desperate to beat me in a war of tactics, dude you're from another country I don't even care what you say. I've already shown you up by agreeing with you and you're arguing that . Dude if you think Tau rule then go for it, but honestly, they're not that good that's why their codex ranks low for..

Rank low by? You? Or some newbies out there? LOL. If there is an "absolute official" ranking of codex out there, please enlighten me. Otherwise, please don't amuse me by saying things like " there is a reason why Tau is ranked low" or the likes.

The missus says I don't speak like a adult either. I am not sure if that's because I don't use adult words and act like one or sometimes I speak gibberish, but that's only when I've been drinking and try to dry hump her leg or something. She does say I am ignorant too. In fact others have said that, but I don't believe them...

Yes I see I have lost in your fantasy 40k game over the internet in your head. Crap I lost against johnny foreigner in his make believe game of 40k against another internet randomer. This really upsets me :( and also hurts my ego.

Yes ranked low by me and all the other newbies out there. All the newbies really hate Tau you see and just rank the codex low because they find Tau disappointing. I s'pose if there was a "offical" codex ranking system I guess it would be much higher like perhaps top spot with a might Tau tactical genius like yourself who uses multiple bubblewrap layers. I mean what chance have the so called uber codexes like Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Imperial Guard got against you and your layers of bubblewrap units. I have no idea how to beat you, I guess that's why I lost in your fantasy game of 40k over the internet. TBH I think that's pretty awesome using about 1/3 - 1/2 your army to protect the other half, gets the use out of the points and gets maximum potential out of those units.

I am glad I amuse you. I aim to please, happy to provide and service and please stop by soon

mercer wrote:The missus says I don't speak like a adult either. I am not sure if that's because I don't use adult words and act like one or sometimes I speak gibberish, but that's only when I've been drinking and try to dry hump her leg or something. She does say I am ignorant too. In fact others have said that, but I don't believe them...

Yes I see I have lost in your fantasy 40k game over the internet in your head. Crap I lost against johnny foreigner in his make believe game of 40k against another internet randomer. This really upsets me :( and also hurts my ego.

Do you have any to begin with?

mercer wrote:Yes ranked low by me and all the other newbies out there. All the newbies really hate Tau you see and just rank the codex low because they find Tau disappointing. I s'pose if there was a "offical" codex ranking system I guess it would be much higher like perhaps top spot with a might Tau tactical genius like yourself who uses multiple bubblewrap layers. I mean what chance have the so called uber codexes like Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Imperial Guard got against you and your layers of bubblewrap units. I have no idea how to beat you, I guess that's why I lost in your fantasy game of 40k over the internet. TBH I think that's pretty awesome using about 1/3 - 1/2 your army to protect the other half, gets the use out of the points and gets maximum potential out of those units.

I accept that compliment, but sorry to say I have to burst your bubble. The bubble wrapping I have mentioned above is not something brillant I came up with. It is a fundamental tactic known by the majority of the community. So what burst your bubble is - you happen to fall under the left hand side of the bell curve.
And to correct you, it's not even 1/3. 2 squads of kroots cost something like 200 points - protecting 965 points worth of suits, bsides, and commander.

mercer wrote:I am glad I amuse you. I aim to please, happy to provide and service and please stop by soon

I will, as long as you continue to amuse.

Have any what to begin with? Missus? If so I think you need to re-read as it sounds like I have more than one. If I have more than one that makes me either commit adultery or bigamist which is against the law in the UK. I am not sure if that's legal where you come from though.

If you mean fantasy against johnny foreigners then yeah I have loads. I mostly win, but then again so do they so I am not sure whose the winner and if we can call it a draw or not. Ah well. A game is a game.

Burst my bubble? That's not nice. Though I probably wouldn't have blessed you with that much knowledge have coming up with the idea, personally, I think you're blowing your own horn there and claiming to be a Tau super tactical god or something.

You forgot the drone costs . I'd like to try a correction myself, wouldn't you need like full 20 strong Kroot squads to do the mighty bubblewrap like you said? Isn't that 280 points?

Tell you what. I'm more than likely going to have a game against Tau Sunday because the gaming club I go to is full of the buggers. I will look forward some more of your godly input on the next bat rep, providing I do play Tau

Oh, I'd like to apologise if I've hurt your feelings sayin I am disappointed in Tau. Sorry about that, but that's just the way I feel. I know they're your plastic home boys and you love them like you've never loved anything else but I'm afriad that's the way I feel about them. I would take it back but you know about freedom of speech and stuff like that so I'd rather leave it out there and go with disappointing. Sorry if that stirs the wrong emotion in you.

Nice report, i like the looted battle wagon

Thanks. It's not looted wagon it's a Battlewagon. When Orks came out they didn't do the Battlewagon model so I just got a Land Raider and bashed it up. I don't really fancy spending about £30 just to get the actual Battlewagon model to replace a existing one. Pain in the arse when G.W do things like that.

mercer wrote:Thanks. It's not looted wagon it's a Battlewagon.

Oh, i know, i was just say how it looked funny with the one landraider on the field

Yeah quite true but the tau just dont work vs anything

cheapbuster wrote:

mercer wrote:Thanks. It's not looted wagon it's a Battlewagon.

Oh, i know, i was just say how it looked funny with the one landraider on the field

Ah getcha. I've actually got two land raider Battlewagons in my 2k list. If you search the picture forum for ead manglers ladz you will see the full army.

Awww and I was so looking forward to your tactical wisdom again..pity.

Yeah Rovian is one of my friends, that's not nice to pick on them too. You're just a mean bully.

Sorry I hurt your feelings and upset you about Tau. I also guess we both have fantasies, mine maybe is a I upset you and your little plastic toys, but honestly I think that's true. Your little fantasy is having a game of 40k with me in your head and me losing. Now that is sad :(

mercer wrote:

cheapbuster wrote:

mercer wrote:Thanks. It's not looted wagon it's a Battlewagon.

Oh, i know, i was just say how it looked funny with the one landraider on the field

Ah getcha. I've actually got two land raider Battlewagons in my 2k list. If you search the picture forum for ead manglers ladz you will see the full army.

cool, will do

Mercer I recommend you ignore striderx. All he does is troll everybody and tell them how much better he is at 40k than them.

He dismantled Reecius' GT winning Space Wolf list, demanding proof of GT wins to legitimize your ability to play 40k in this context is hilarious.

Newbies like you fantasize about winning people like me. Tactical God like me win people in reality. There is stark difference between the two.

Looks like straight up trolling to me.

Tau player's obsession with "blocking" with piranhas is amusing. All you have to do is ram with your vehicle and it'll make it's dodge save and be out of the way. A BS3 meltagun on a 65 point vehicle isn't scaring anybody.

Griever wrote:

Newbies like you fantasize about winning people like me. Tactical God like me win people in reality. There is stark difference between the two.

Looks like straight up trolling to me.

He started spewing stupid things to me. The only way to tell people like him his comments are stupid is to be sacarstic.
Funny how you choose to selectively pick out mine and ignored his. Just because I trumped your argument the other time? Hilarious.

Griever wrote:Tau player's obsession with "blocking" with piranhas is amusing. All you have to do is ram with your vehicle and it'll make it's dodge save and be out of the way. A BS3 meltagun on a 65 point vehicle isn't scaring anybody.

They dodge on a 3+, and you ll only on average do anything to ONE squad of Piranhas. Even so, it doesn't guarantee you a wreck or explosion. Your movement is still gonna be affected.

I m not the only advocate of that tactic. Stelek advocates that too. Of course you are free to dismiss him as someone who give tactical advice. But at least he got a 3rd in NovaCon, a tournament which most recognise as competitive. What have you got?

striderx wrote:

Griever wrote:

Newbies like you fantasize about winning people like me. Tactical God like me win people in reality. There is stark difference between the two.

Looks like straight up trolling to me.

He started spewing stupid things to me. The only way to tell people like him his comments are stupid is to be sacarstic.
Funny how you choose to selectively pick out mine and ignored his. Just because I trumped your argument the other time? Hilarious.

How exactly have you "trumped" anybody's argument?

Your need to be seen as "superior" in every little thing is sad, really.

And sadly, I see you belonging to the same league as mercer, frog in the well playing within your small pond. There is actually nothing wrong with that, but it becomes hilarious when people like you tries to be arrogant and act like you know stuff.

striderx wrote:

Griever wrote:

Newbies like you fantasize about winning people like me. Tactical God like me win people in reality. There is stark difference between the two.

Looks like straight up trolling to me.

He started spewing stupid things to me. The only way to tell people like him his comments are stupid is to be sacarstic.
Funny how you choose to selectively pick out mine and ignored his. Just because I trumped your argument the other time? Hilarious.

Griever wrote:Tau player's obsession with "blocking" with piranhas is amusing. All you have to do is ram with your vehicle and it'll make it's dodge save and be out of the way. A BS3 meltagun on a 65 point vehicle isn't scaring anybody.

They dodge on a 3+, and you ll only on average do anything to ONE squad of Piranhas. Even so, it doesn't guarantee you a wreck or explosion. Your movement is still gonna be affected.

I m not the only advocate of that tactic. Stelek advocates that too. Of course you are free to dismiss him as someone who give tactical advice. But at least he got a 3rd in NovaCon, a tournament which most recognise as competitive. What have you got?

I'm not claiming I'm some sort of great player, I'm just curious as to how that is supposed to work. You use them to "block" transports, but I can just ram 12" forward and in the Tau player's best case scenario it just gets out of my way and therefore hasn't blocked anything. Am I misunderstanding how that works?

I'm not being arrogant at all. I've just seen you derail several threads into needless bickering and name calling just like you have this one.

Griever wrote:
I'm not claiming I'm some sort of great player, I'm just curious as to how that is supposed to work. You use them to "block" transports, but I can just ram 12" forward and in the Tau player's best case scenario it just gets out of my way and therefore hasn't blocked anything.

It doesnt get out of the way. I think it's a problem of you getting your fundamental / rules wrong.


You used the word "curious". I m assuming you are interested to find out more. Nothing beats an illustration from a BatRep.

Go google.
Search Stelek Ard Boyz ork vs tau, or something similar, or search his blog. If after all my posts here and you can't picture hows that going to work, then I advocate you head straight to the BatRep

Griever wrote:
I'm not being arrogant at all. I've just seen you derail several threads into needless bickering and name calling just like you have this one.

Fair enough. But go through the thread in detail. It's more like mercer trying to troll with words whenever he find himself unable to find counter arguments to my points.

It doesnt get out of the way. I think it's a problem of you getting your fundamental / rules wrong.

Ah okay. I had no idea how that worked. I've never played with skimmers, and the Tau player I played against doesn't field them.

This thread is really quite heated.

I'd like to just pop up and say that the Bubble Wrap and Skimmer Blocking tactics that striderx is extolling really are effective strategies. Ignoring the name calling back and forth, I hope that you, mercer, don't ignore the tactics striderx has put out there just because you feel he is being insulting (regardless of whether he has made you feel insulted personally). With Bubble Wrap and skimmers blocking the Tau player can delay an Ork force by at least 2 turns (from assaulting the main damage dealing elements of the Tau army). This does not guarantee a win but it does help the Tau's situation somewhat; before they would be in assault by that time in all likelihood.

To be clear, I am not taking a side in the name calling so please do not include me in that.

GL in later games by the way.

H3ct0r I never disgreed with Strikerx that blocking isn't affective. I said it will work for sometime. I think what hurt his feelings was when I said I was disappointed with Tau and him being a fanboy cannot take the pain . What I said about blocking is it will probably only hold up things for a turn or two, which is right, I never said it wasn't a idea. He's just been going mad the other side of his computer smashing his keyboard to bits in anger, I bet he's got through quite a few of them now.

What you said is exactly what blocking can do; help the situation but won't gurantee a win. Striderx thinks it spells utter doom for my army and played this tactic out in his fantasy game of 40k with me, which unfortunately I lost :(

At the end of the day Striderx cannot face facts that I have a personal opinion on Tau which doesn't agree with his and that the blocking tactic only has limited life span, it won't hold up the opponent forever plus he loves a bit of a theory where everything goes automatically to plan

As for insulting I haven't found him to be insulting in the slightest. TBH I pity him :( poor fellow. Must be tough where he comes from.

Thanks for your opinion btw. I hope you've got your anti flame suit on

mercer wrote:H3ct0r I never disgreed with Strikerx that blocking isn't affective. I said it will work for sometime. I think what hurt his feelings was when I said I was disappointed with Tau and him being a fanboy cannot take the pain . What I said about blocking is it will probably only hold up things for a turn or two, which is right, I never said it wasn't a idea. He's just been going mad the other side of his computer smashing his keyboard to bits in anger, I bet he's got through quite a few of them now.

Oh look, he is fantasizing about how I am reacting again LOL. If there is any part of my posts that exhibits anguish and anger, you are free to quote them Otherwise, it's quite clear to others your continued efforts to troll.

mercer wrote:What you said is exactly what blocking can do; help the situation but won't gurantee a win. Striderx thinks it spells utter doom for my army and played this tactic out in his fantasy game of 40k with me, which unfortunately I lost :(

Nothing guarantees a win. Funny, when did anyone here mentioned anything about a guaranteed win? FUnny that you keep mentioning about reading failure, and how you are exhibiting that exactly.

mercer wrote:At the end of the day Striderx cannot face facts that I have a personal opinion on Tau which doesn't agree with his and that the blocking tactic only has limited life span, it won't hold up the opponent forever plus he loves a bit of a theory where everything goes automatically to plan

If all it takes is one more turn to cripple your mobility, why would the tactic require unlimited life span? The tactic IS about holding the opponent for a limited life span. I m not sure I understand what you are driving at.
FYI, once again, the tactic is one that can last 1 turn, to as long as a couple of turns, depending on the terrain, point level, and other parts of the list. This was illustrated by Stelek's BatRep, someone who by his 40k resume, trumps you (fish in a small pond) at least 10 fold. No doubt about that.

mercer wrote:he loves a bit of a theory where everything goes automatically to plan

At the very least, I can come up with something planned. That beats you having nothing.

mercer wrote:As for insulting I haven't found him to be insulting in the slightest. TBH I pity him :( poor fellow. Must be tough where he comes from.

LOL, you don't even know my country? It was right to call you frog in the well, huh?
And don't have to pity me, I m quite happy with what I am. At least I don't have to act cool and continue attempting to troll here after being proved wrong by so many people

mercer wrote:Thanks for your opinion btw. I hope you've got your anti flame suit on

I left mine for you

Your entire posts are anger. I think you believe you're a Khorne Berzerker. You know 40k isn't real?

You said abuot winning and you'd beat me, did you forget?

Did you just read where I agreed with you? Or you miss that again? . You've just said about blocking has a limited life span which exactly I've said the last 3 pages you've been arguing with me. I'm starting to think you out do me being a troll as all you like to do is just argue and point out everything on a post in attempt to trump people to give your ego a boost.

Your you beat me with your plans. I plan nothing which my tactical notes do not show..

What's your country got to do with anything? How do you know I don't know your country? Do you know I don't know your country? Once again you're just presuming. And how many people have proved me wrong exactly here? I don't see many people flocking here to defend you, even though I've agreed with you that blocking has limited life span which is exactly what you've just said.

Yeah I've had your opinion for the last several pages. That's great. You've had mine too which for some reason you cannot seem to digest and that my opinion agrees with you. You're so fail. I did think your comments were worth reading but not any more.