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I've been thinking the same thing (about using Grey Knights) and infact already have my Thousand Son heads ready for them, the temptation of Tzeentch strecthes far and wide.

I just need to wait until I'm at that point in my army before purchasing a few different terminator box sets for various chaos terminator projects I have planned.

First If I saw the runes on the armor modded or not I would have you remove them from the table due to the fluff around the Grey Knights. The codex and books clearly state that no grey knight has turned to chaos.

Also they do make a chaos term squad in a box already. and I do believe they are about the same if not cheaper in price. So personally I hate your Idea about the conversion.

I say go for it man, its your money and time your doing, jsut file off/ fill in any GK iconagraphy there is and moldel on your chosen chaos gods symbols and other appropriat chaosy like trinkets

Cruentus wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:So why bother playing 40k if you're not interested in the fluff?

You could play army men for a fraction of the cost and never have to worry about painting!

Seriously. I don't understand why people choose to act like it's "taking 40k way too seriously" when they choose to do things based off a theme.

I don't mock the powergamers half as much as I should for their codex hopping shenanigans. I don't mock the kid who thought that adding more spikes to his commander means it's "moar awesome!".

So quite frankly, take yourself out of my sight and enjoy my ignore list.

I actually agree with you 100% re: 40k and fluff. I'd prefer if my opponents actually followed the fluff, didn't powergame (jump chapters when the next new thing hit using the same minis), and in many cases actually knew the background for the various chapters and the universe.

But we've seen the chaos dex lose 'animosity' between the chaos gods, we've seen BA and Necrons 'cooperate', and now we're seeing GKs go from being secretive and small but elite, primarily utilizing terminators - heck, in 2nd or 3rd ed, your GKs that you bought for your army couldn't hit the table unless a daemon was summoned or someone used a psychic power - otherwise, wasted points. That's the fluff stuff that has been slowly changing, and being written out or modified.

Its a shame that things have moved in that direction, but they're catering to a young audience, and the young audience only knows whats in the last codex, not what was around in Rogue Trader. Shame really, most of the compelling stuff gets lost.

And with 'counts as' and how its reared its head lately, I fear all is (or most is) lost

That sounds like an awesome idea for a rule. Someone does something daemon or psyker related and a group of GK instantly drop in ready to crack some skulls. I can see how it can be a big waste of points, but still, that's pretty cool.

Nobody's calling the obvious?

Make it look like Preheresy Emperor's Children terminators. Just get some pre heresy shoulder pads, toss them on instead of the GK pads, use the GK helmets, file off all Inquisitional and Grey Knight iconography, get rid of the books too, and give them a more standard CSM terminator loadout. Might want to add a few CSM terminator legs in the mix too.

This thread makes me love that I play Orks.

I don't see why the armor can't be converted. Some of the chaos conversions are so over the top you may not even be able to tell it is a Grey Knight.

Will the fluff let me loot the armor for my orks in the form of mangled mega armor or even 'tinboyz'? Maybe my Mek is enslaving the machine spirit ;D I know dredknights are going to get looted by orks pretty darn quick, I could see some impressive daemon princes based off the dreadknight.

Not sure I understand the outrage.

Ok, the reaction to the idea seems pretty hostile, so i figure i wont do it.

Ill see if i can find something else to make my termies unique (i dont like the standard looking termies. or the look that chaos termies are just Loyalist with trophy racks and horns.) Im not sure what i could do.

Ill figure something out .


I started this thread mainly to see peoples reactions to the idea, and since its mostly negative, im not gonna do it in the end.

Obsidian Raven wrote:Ok, the reaction to the idea seems pretty hostile, so i figure i wont do it.

Ill see if i can find something else to make my termies unique (i dont like the standard looking termies. or the look that chaos termies are just Loyalist with trophy racks and horns.) Im not sure what i could do.

I hate to tell you: but that's exactly what Chaos Terminators are.

They're the same equipment that you've seen the Loyalists using for centuries, just 'corrupted'.

Ill figure something out .
I started this thread mainly to see peoples reactions to the idea, and since its mostly negative, im not gonna do it in the end.

Without knowing your modeling ability or commitment to actually doing it: I'm going to have a negative reaction to it.

Far too many examples of this 'unique' or 'looted' mindset have been simply a few minor headswaps, things crudely cut off and the areas not filled in/made to match the army they're being 'looted' for.

Basically: it's better to stay away from these ideas unless you really have the chops to pull it off.

Obsidian Raven wrote:Ok, the reaction to the idea seems pretty hostile, so i figure i wont do it.

For what it's worth, I'd love to see some Grey Knight Termie conversions. I really, really hope you haven't let other people's opinions and comments put you off from what could be a fun and enjoyable modelling project. It's not about whether you have the skill or ability to pull it off at all, just whether you want to do it. It is YOUR time and YOUR money.

Kanluwen wrote:
Without knowing your modeling ability or commitment to actually doing it: I'm going to have a negative reaction to it.

Far too many examples of this 'unique' or 'looted' mindset have been simply a few minor headswaps, things crudely cut off and the areas not filled in/made to match the army they're being 'looted' for.

Basically: it's better to stay away from these ideas unless you really have the chops to pull it off.

Its not going to be looted, I was simply pointing out that in my chaos fluff, they loot armour alot, and wear it as trophies (like the dornain heresy space wolves)

I must admit, im a new player, so my conversion skills arent top notch, but i thought this would be a fun project to try get my skills up and make some models that stand out of the crowd for my army.

Seeing as i live in South Africa, and shipping costs are frankly way too expensive (compared to what i recieve for them), i have to rely purely on GW bits, GS and Plasticard, so im looking for things to make me better at using those.

I AM starting a project of making conversions of an HQ from every codex, with the hopes that gives me some cool display models and some basic skills.


Edit: (for spelling, and to add: ) I do have the commitment to do it however, i just have difficulty finding the time to work on my warhammer

Obsidian Raven wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Without knowing your modeling ability or commitment to actually doing it: I'm going to have a negative reaction to it.

Far too many examples of this 'unique' or 'looted' mindset have been simply a few minor headswaps, things crudely cut off and the areas not filled in/made to match the army they're being 'looted' for.

Basically: it's better to stay away from these ideas unless you really have the chops to pull it off.

Its not going to be looted, I was simply pointing out that in my chaos fluff, they loot armour alot, and wear it as trophies (like the dornain heresy space wolves)

I was just using 'looted' as a catch-all. It's like how every so often we see Orks 'looting' Trygons.

It's a fun idea, but more often than not if the modeler isn't up to the task--it looks naff.

If you want something to do as 'trophies', without knowing directly what Chaos force you're using it would affect the kinds of trophies they'd carry.

I must admit, im a new player, so my conversion skills arent top notch, but i thought this would be a fun project to try get my skills up and make some models that stand out of the crowd for my army.

Seeing as i live in South Africa, and shipping costs are frankly way too expensive (compared to what i recieve for them), i have to rely purely on GW bits, GS and Plasticard, so im looking for things to make me better at using those.

Considered looking at Forge World to do some of the stuff you're wanting to accomplish?

The World Eaters and Death Guard Terminator Conversion kits that they sell do a pretty good job of allowing you to make the Terminators really yours.

I AM starting a project of making conversions of an HQ from every codex, with the hopes that gives me some cool display models and some basic skills.

Will definitely be interesting to see

I do have the commitment to do it however, i just have difficulty finding the time to work on my warhammer

Time is always the most obnoxious part when it comes to building up your skills, isn't it?

As an Off topic note, this weekend, im heading to my store and taking all my stuff (unfortunately, Warhammer is a very tiny part of the store, Magic the gathering is the major thing) to work on it there, seeing if that gives me an opportunity to make some real progress (no distractions, particularly my computer - and Homework ).

Once i have some progress (i currently dont have much done) im going to start a P&M blog.

On topic

For the termis, I have some ideas after looking at the FW kits.

Ill get the GK termis for some bits, specifically the Arms, heads and weapons.

I think with alittle work, the heads could be used to make modified MK II or MK III armour for my chosen (which i so want to do)

Edit : Fixed some really silly grammar and punctuation (i need to read before i post )


EDIT 2:

I can Post my Chaos's Fluff, and then maybe you guys can give me what kind of trophies they would take?

I like the idea, personally. You can easily homebrew fluff for that.

Grey Knight: "You can take my armour from my cold, dead body!"
Chaos Marine: "Done."
Author of above conversation: "Done."

Just a note for the OP, I don't think you should let a few naysayers on a website stop you from running with your idea. They're your minis that your spending your hard earned money on. So if it fits with the fluff of your force, go for it. I don't think any of them are going to fly to South Africa and punch you for it. In fact, it kind of makes me want to buy a box of GK Termies and run them as chaos termies myself... And I have neither army.

I say go for it. Even if it's a learning process on converting them, you'll get better at it, and your next go will be better. Good luck

Unanything wrote:I like the idea, personally. You can easily homebrew fluff for that.

Grey Knight: "You can take my armour from my cold, dead body!"
Chaos Marine: "Done."
Author of above conversation: "Done."

pretty much.

the people that cry about fun conversions like this are just looking to complain about something, or lack the brainpower to not be confused by simple things like "supprise, my chaos army doesn't haveGK's"

as long as the models represent something close size-wise and WYSIWYG is pretty close, you are fine.

Shady Pigeon wrote:

Obsidian Raven wrote:Ok, the reaction to the idea seems pretty hostile, so i figure i wont do it.

For what it's worth, I'd love to see some Grey Knight Termie conversions.

Stay tuned, Ill be doing some. I dont play 40k, but I love the Terminator models and Ive gotten into building and converting them just to look cool. Expect to see me doing some mash-ups including GK parts pretty soon.

That is acceptable, you may run into the problem of weapon options and be forced to buy both the GK and chaos kits and that would be pricey

teddet wrote:Just a note for the OP, I don't think you should let a few naysayers on a website stop you from running with your idea. They're your minis that your spending your hard earned money on. So if it fits with the fluff of your force, go for it. I don't think any of them are going to fly to South Africa and punch you for it. In fact, it kind of makes me want to buy a box of GK Termies and run them as chaos termies myself... And I have neither army.

I say go for it. Even if it's a learning process on converting them, you'll get better at it, and your next go will be better. Good luck

Amen to this. I dont see how using say a GK torso, helmet and storm bolter arm (left) with chaos right arm, legs, and shoulder pads should be such a problem. Especially if any major GK icons were removed and it was all painted in a non GK scheme. Its not like hes trying to paint box stock GKs black and call them chaos.

Honestly people, its a game. The only 2 things that matter are:

1) Does the model fall within the GAME rules?

AND

2) Does the model clearly portray what its supposed to be?, WYSIWYG

Answer yes to both of those and your good. Anyone who has a problem with your models, its their problem not yours.

There will always be people who preach and scream about faith to fluff. Remember this...the fluff was made to enhance the game, not the game to enhance the fluff. These are the same people who would probably tell you that Eldar harlequins can only be painted with diamond plaid not square plaid because thats how GW painted the studio models. These are people you probably dont want to play with anyways, as they likely treat every game like a high rank tournament and every little mistake you make will be jumped on harshly.

Bottom line...do what makes you happy. Dont worry about pleasing the 40k community, it cant be done, there will always be someone who finds something to criticize.

I LOVE the idea of using GK termy figures as Chaos termies. The two obvious options fluffwise would be:
- a Chaos equiivalent of the Space Wolves 13th Company, i.e. wearing a random mixture of looted termy bits from all loyalist and chaos chapters, including GKs (this would be ideal if you have a bits box full of random termy bits)
- GKs who've gone over the the Dark Side, along the lines of Huron Blackheart's Corsairs, who keep their old armour but defaced with chaos markings to mock their enemies (this might suit better if you just want one squad of ex-GKs)

In either case, make sure you change all the weapons for their Chaos equivalents - none of that 'this Nemesis force halberd counts as a power claw' nonsense, please

Mad4Minis, allow me to say something here.

I started warhammer, because modelling and converting appeal to me heavily. I LOVE the models, and i Adore the fluff (tau and necrons being the two major exclusions to this rule )

For me, fluff of my models matter a heck of a lot. I want my stuff to be believable within the universe without me twisting the fluff extremely for my own personal gain.


being able to play an actual game with my minis is just a really awesome side thing i can do with them.


The creative pursuits of the warhammer hobby is why i started, not the game.


SO yes - i will keep faith to the fluff. I did not know that the GKs had their own, special armour (aegis armour i think someone said?) I thought the termis were just a different armour mark for Termi armour (well, technically they are, but you get my point), and since a major part of my army is going to be the mixing and matching of various armour marks, and i thought the GK termis would add some cool variety.

Not to shoot down your opinion, you are well entitled to it, i am merely stating why i Will not proceed with the project.

My sincerest apologies if i came across as harsh.
I was trying to say why i wasnt going ahead with the project, and i realize i may have been alittle harsh in the way i did it

Obsidian Raven wrote:Mad4Minis, allow me to say something here.

I started warhammer, because modelling and converting appeal to me heavily. I LOVE the models, and i Adore the fluff (tau and necrons being the two major exclusions to this rule )

For me, fluff of my models matter a heck of a lot. I want my stuff to be believable within the universe without me twisting the fluff extremely for my own personal gain.


being able to play an actual game with my minis is just a really awesome side thing i can do with them.


The creative pursuits of the warhammer hobby is why i started, not the game.


SO yes - i will keep faith to the fluff. I did not know that the GKs had their own, special armour (aegis armour i think someone said?) I thought the termis were just a different armour mark for Termi armour (well, technically they are, but you get my point), and since a major part of my army is going to be the mixing and matching of various armour marks, and i thought the GK termis would add some cool variety.

Not to shoot down your opinion, you are well entitled to it, i am merely stating why i Will not proceed with the project.

My advise would be to stick with GW stuff straight out of the box, right down tot he paint scheme. You cant get much more official than that.

enjoy.





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Obsidian Raven wrote:My sincerest apologies if i came across as harsh.
I was trying to say why i wasnt going ahead with the project, and i realize i may have been alittle harsh in the way i did it

My mistake, your original post read more like someone who wasnt deep in the GW world. Also no worries on this ^^ post...its what I would expect from a GW fan, and one of the many reasons I dont play 40k.

Besides a general dislike of the current rules, the fans have become over zealous to say the least.

They're your models. Do with them what you want.

Well, i am sorry. I often do not think things out before i speak, and often post without considering what im saying. Im not sure what else to say, other than that.

again, my apologies. Ill try change my posting habits from now on.

If you're paying fifty bucks for a box of plastic soldiers, use them any way you want and ignore people who tell you otherwise I would be amused to see this, though I do hope they would be converted enough to really look chaosy (yes. I said chaosy)

If your just casual gaming, why not just find out what the regulars think?
The two main negative veiw points have been put forward by dakka fans from the USA and if your tag is right your in South Africa (if my flag knowledge is up to scratch lol) so chances are, you wont play them. They have valid points, but do they impact on your actual gaming?
On a forum or website you end up getting every opinion possible, but if your playing with a regular set of people (ie not tournements) why not convert to their accepted level? It is a personal thing after all.


Dan

Obsidian Raven wrote:Well, i am sorry. I often do not think things out before i speak, and often post without considering what im saying. Im not sure what else to say, other than that.

again, my apologies. Ill try change my posting habits from now on.

No worries. So your into the strict fluff. So are a lot of people. IMO its a bit too limiting to take stuff like that as gospel, but maybe thats just me. Some of the best stuff Ive seen was things that people took a little artistic license with.

As far as your project...putting a chaos head and shoulder pads on some GKT would be not so good. However, taking a GK torso, head and arms, with chaos legs, shoulder pads, and some other bits might make for a great CSM termie. Im probably gonna try exactly that when I get a box. Im already assembling the bits to convert the GKTs with.

Mad4Minis wrote:
No worries. So your into the strict fluff. So are a lot of people. IMO its a bit too limiting to take stuff like that as gospel, but maybe thats just me. Some of the best stuff Ive seen was things that people took a little artistic license with.

As far as your project...putting a chaos head and shoulder pads on some GKT would be not so good. However, taking a GK torso, head and arms, with chaos legs, shoulder pads, and some other bits might make for a great CSM termie. Im probably gonna try exactly that when I get a box. Im already assembling the bits to convert the GKTs with.

heh, ok.

Im not exactly into strict fluff (my chaos have thier own, custom fluff as a splinter faction of the emperors children who follow huron blackheart, and have a karn the betrayer counts -as. and I've written fluff fr traitor IG.) So i do take some liberties. But something major as Chaos cant touch grey knights armour becuase it is blessed is something i wouldnt want to break, and i cant see a way to bend it to be believable that chaos has some GK armour.

vampyrehntrd wrote:First If I saw the runes on the armor modded or not I would have you remove them from the table due to the fluff around the Grey Knights. The codex and books clearly state that no grey knight has turned to chaos.

Also they do make a chaos term squad in a box already. and I do believe they are about the same if not cheaper in price. So personally I hate your Idea about the conversion.

So you would refuse to play him because his models didn't match fluff? Lol...... Well my friend where I play you would never play anyone. There is no rule stating they have to follow fluff, plus people like their armies to look different and stand out.

To the OP do what you want, use what you want, make them look good and have fun. It's you're money, if some one gives you grief or refuses to play you because your Chaos terms are GK models, then o well move on to the next guy. Some one will appreciate your ideas and models.

dude, just do what ever you like.

The armour doesnt have to be grey knight armour, just really elaborate armour your army has. then it works in the fluff.