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Necroshea wrote:

Obsidian Raven wrote:Well, im not going to run them as "traitor GKs" im running them as chaos terminators, who have looted armour from fallen GKs.

It can be perfectly justified, as like you said looted armor is a viable explanation. Yet, the first thing that comes to mind when I see your army is "I'm fighting chaos, so why are their gray knights in the army?". There will always be that question gnawing at the back of my mind, even if it's been answered.

Keep in mind that I don't think the majority of players feel this way. I just like the 40k fluff, and I've always been a fan of GK

I'm pretty sure anyone chaos tainted that tried to interface with GK power armor would be incinerated by the hexagramic wards.

Dark Reaver wrote:dude, just do what ever you like.

The armour doesnt have to be grey knight armour, just really elaborate armour your army has. then it works in the fluff.

Thank you, thats what I was trying to say. Once you remove the GK icons its just ornate armor. So it looks like GK armor, big deal.

How many people have used BA death mask heads for non Sang Guard conversions? Plenty, and I havent seen anyone screaming "ZOMG those are for Sang Guard only!!!!"

How many people have taken BA, BT, SW or any other SM chapter, done nothing more than painted them a different color, given them a different name and played them? Many, many people have.

You dont hear about them being chased from the table.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Dark Reaver wrote:dude, just do what ever you like.

The armour doesnt have to be grey knight armour, just really elaborate armour your army has. then it works in the fluff.

Thank you, thats what I was trying to say. Once you remove the GK icons its just ornate armor. So it looks like GK armor, big deal.

How many people have used BA death mask heads for non Sang Guard conversions? Plenty, and I havent seen anyone screaming "ZOMG those are for Sang Guard only!!!!"

How many people have taken BA, BT, SW or any other SM chapter, done nothing more than painted them a different color, given them a different name and played them? Many, many people have.

You dont hear about them being chased from the table.

too true.

and if people want to be that anal about the game, they should really be playing another game IMO.

Although, i once took flak for using a (uncoverted at the time) GK termie as my wolflord. Some people are waaaaaay too serious...

Didn't Games Workshop use a Grey Knight terminator as the base for a Rubric Terminator a few years ago?

IIRC, they even had a tutorial on the site.

Chaotic Grey Knights: Dont let poeple stop you a whole army would be awesome, but I would recommend doing some heavy conversion work with green stuff, such as defilers standing on 2 legs with a chaos model built in a similar way to the dreadknight....for everyone else I would say khorne berserkers for gk bodies, converted with spears and swords large enough from Fanasy bits.

Chaos Terminators definitely would work....if you dont want to buy the GK termy box for just heads you should find a way to come up with another solution which does not involve illegally duplicating any company's IP.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:Chaos Terminators definitely would work....if you dont want to buy the GK termy box for just heads you should find a way to come up with another solution which does not involve illegally duplicating any company's IP.

The solution you are looking for is "bits order"

As has been pointed out your the one doing it, your the one paying for them do what you want with them. Yes the fluff says it cant happen but once you take off all the parts that make them GK why cant they be looted termie armor.

Yes, I'm with the "do what you want with your models" camp. I think using GK termies as a base for a chaos conversion would be awesome! As long as they look a bit different and "chaosy" they would rock! Rule of cool is the most important rule of modeling and painting.

Clang wrote:I LOVE the idea of using GK termy figures as Chaos termies. The two obvious options fluffwise would be:
- a Chaos equiivalent of the Space Wolves 13th Company, i.e. wearing a random mixture of looted termy bits from all loyalist and chaos chapters, including GKs (this would be ideal if you have a bits box full of random termy bits)
- GKs who've gone over the the Dark Side, along the lines of Huron Blackheart's Corsairs, who keep their old armour but defaced with chaos markings to mock their enemies (this might suit better if you just want one squad of ex-GKs)

There ARE no "ex-Grey Knights! That's the point of the entire thread! I'd be fine with using the parts as you've suggested (so some daemon un-sanctified the stuff after the Knight was dead, big deal, it's the Knights themselves who are incorruptible), but if you want people to take you seriously you do NOT alter GW canon!

Personally, I would love to see the conversion. HOWEVER: I would not do it with any

"Hey bro, I just totally lifted this sweet armour from one of those grey bible bashers!"
"MEGA LOLZ"
"IKR"

Instead just call it preheresy or just a different style of armour. As such, insignia should be filled in or filed off and replaced with chaos.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Clang wrote:I LOVE the idea of using GK termy figures as Chaos termies. The two obvious options fluffwise would be:
- a Chaos equiivalent of the Space Wolves 13th Company, i.e. wearing a random mixture of looted termy bits from all loyalist and chaos chapters, including GKs (this would be ideal if you have a bits box full of random termy bits)
- GKs who've gone over the the Dark Side, along the lines of Huron Blackheart's Corsairs, who keep their old armour but defaced with chaos markings to mock their enemies (this might suit better if you just want one squad of ex-GKs)

There ARE no "ex-Grey Knights! That's the point of the entire thread! I'd be fine with using the parts as you've suggested (so some daemon un-sanctified the stuff after the Knight was dead, big deal, it's the Knights themselves who are incorruptible), but if you want people to take you seriously you do NOT alter GW canon!

GK are uncorruptable? Hah - that's what they _want_ you to believe...

Clang wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Clang wrote:I LOVE the idea of using GK termy figures as Chaos termies. The two obvious options fluffwise would be:
- a Chaos equiivalent of the Space Wolves 13th Company, i.e. wearing a random mixture of looted termy bits from all loyalist and chaos chapters, including GKs (this would be ideal if you have a bits box full of random termy bits)
- GKs who've gone over the the Dark Side, along the lines of Huron Blackheart's Corsairs, who keep their old armour but defaced with chaos markings to mock their enemies (this might suit better if you just want one squad of ex-GKs)

There ARE no "ex-Grey Knights! That's the point of the entire thread! I'd be fine with using the parts as you've suggested (so some daemon un-sanctified the stuff after the Knight was dead, big deal, it's the Knights themselves who are incorruptible), but if you want people to take you seriously you do NOT alter GW canon!

GK are uncorruptable? Hah - that's what they _want_ you to believe...

There's no "that's what they want you to believe".

This isn't a government telling you that "Oh, that totally is a weather balloon that crashed at Roswell" or whatever conspiracy theory you want to believe.

It says in black & white "No Grey Knight has been corrupted by Chaos".

We're all assuming that he wants to use them as-is and claim that it's stolen armor or traitor GKs. It's a pretty cool mini and with some conversion work could make an interesting Chaos character. Here's a quick shop I did; coloration's off, but you get the idea.

Congratulations, no grey knight has been converted to chaos. Thank you for reciting one of the pieces of lore that anyone that has heard of grey knights knows.

Guess what, not every grey knight has survived, and had their body and armor recovered after their death. /End complaint.

Add to that that the GK armor is essntially pre-heresy pattern, it makes sense that a legion has access to this armor--key word, legion, not any chaos army (then again, you could run some legion allies, and youre set). It might take some modification, or "perversion" of the original context, but I think they would make neat conversions for Word Bearers, without having to fill anything in. I suggested as much somewhere else, not sure where though. It would also be a test of your skill with how far you could take the models without carving or filling so heavilly. I actually run some rogue trader era grey knights in my chaos army. They didn't come with any arms, but they look good, and once painted, fit the bill for 10-thousand year old terminator armor.

Also, the standard equipment on a CSM terminator is a power weapon... Anyone that has purchased a terminator lord will have enough excess parts to add at least one or two of whatever they need onto the offending GK model to give it the equipment you need.

GK armour has to be post-Heresy, as do the GK; the Imperial creed from which they draw their strength didn't exist before the Heresy was underway. However, none of that matters. Looted armor, daemonic/pre-Heresy gear of similar design, it's entirely irrelevant. OP is going to have some Chaos Terminators with a more human outline and some badass helmets, and that's that.

Owain wrote:GK armour has to be post-Heresy, as do the GK; the Imperial creed from which they draw their strength didn't exist before the Heresy was underway. However, none of that matters. Looted armor, daemonic/pre-Heresy gear of similar design, it's entirely irrelevant. OP is going to have some Chaos Terminators with a more human outline and some badass helmets, and that's that.

durrrr way to make me feel like an idiot. Thats right because the GK/predecessors of GK would not actually have been founded until news of the heresy hit terra, and then they would be receiving a new mark of equimpent that the traitors would only have access to if they looted it.

Owain wrote:We're all assuming that he wants to use them as-is and claim that it's stolen armor or traitor GKs. It's a pretty cool mini and with some conversion work could make an interesting Chaos character. Here's a quick shop I did; coloration's off, but you get the idea.

That is almost exactly what I was picturing in my head. I think it looks excellent and makes a great chaos model.

Meh. I meant to slap some horns on there.