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And I'm thinking, they look awesome, I want to make some into chaos termies (with heavy conversion, of course)

Im wondering, would people react badly to this? ill keep the GK helmets (one of the things in the fluff of my chaos, is they loot all the armour they have, ala dornain space wolves) File off the GKs iconography, and use chaos termie legs.


Do you think people would react badly to this? i quite like how different these termies look from SM and CSM termies, so i want to do SOMETHING with them

If I saw them, I would be irked to an incredibly small degree simply because it violates fluff in such a extreme way, but that wouldn't stop me from playing against you.

Well, im not going to run them as "traitor GKs" im running them as chaos terminators, who have looted armour from fallen GKs.

Why not do something with them by making a GK army?

I feel that each army has its models, and part of the point of playing that army is the uniqueness of the models.

It's fair enough to make a new look by using non-GW models.

If there are already proper Chaos termie models though, why pinch a different faction's models to substitute?

Obsidian Raven wrote:Well, im not going to run them as "traitor GKs" im running them as chaos terminators, who have looted armour from fallen GKs.

It can be perfectly justified, as like you said looted armor is a viable explanation. Yet, the first thing that comes to mind when I see your army is "I'm fighting chaos, so why are their gray knights in the army?". There will always be that question gnawing at the back of my mind, even if it's been answered.

Keep in mind that I don't think the majority of players feel this way. I just like the 40k fluff, and I've always been a fan of GK

Kilkrazy wrote:Why not do something with them by making a GK army?

I feel that each army has its models, and part of the point of playing that army is the uniqueness of the models.

It's fair enough to make a new look by using non-GW models.

If there are already proper Chaos termie models though, why pinch a different faction's models to substitute?

I dont really have the money to collect three armies at once, and i Do not like the GKs fluff, so probably wont ever play the codex

Well sometimes people don't feel like starting up an entire new army (money/time) and a big part of warhammer is the customizability and the possibility of showing off your skills and creativity. Maybe people don't want to play the 'proper' chaos termies because everyone play the 'proper' chaos termies.

Personally I think GK termies would make great chaos ones, especially if you're heavy on daemons ("we killed your doods and took their super suits! whatcha gonna do?")
Would need proper conversion though, so people can see you put some thought into it rather than "I just liked the models".

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Obsidian Raven wrote:Well, im not going to run them as "traitor GKs" im running them as chaos terminators, who have looted armour from fallen GKs.

It can be perfectly justified, as like you said looted armor is a viable explanation. Yet, the first thing that comes to mind when I see your army is "I'm fighting chaos, so why are their gray knights in the army?". There will always be that question gnawing at the back of my mind, even if it's been answered.

This works I guess. I still don't understand why you would want to do this tbh. The kits cost the exact same, and the chaos terminators look just as good. I personally would build the GK as GK and use the extra bits for swaps. Then take your finsihed GK and set them up as part of a display or put them on a shelf of awsomeness (thats what i do, i see something i like but don't want to start a new army, so i paint it up and display it.)

The only part of the GK kit to me that doesn't scream GK is the arms. So really imo the only conversion you could do would be to cut off the storm bolter and add a combi-weapon.

GK feels way too GK, so unless it is sufficiently converted, I would probably feel weird playing it

TiB wrote:Well sometimes people don't feel like starting up an entire new army (money/time) and a big part of warhammer is the customizability and the possibility of showing off your skills and creativity. Maybe people don't want to play the 'proper' chaos termies because everyone play the 'proper' chaos termies.

Personally I think GK termies would make great chaos ones, especially if you're heavy on daemons ("we killed your doods and took their super suits! whatcha gonna do?")
Would need proper conversion though, so people can see you put some thought into it rather than "I just liked the models".

That's the truth of it. I made a squad of "black Knights" out of some old metal grey knight terminators. I added some chaos bitz to them and the ended up looking pretty good. I wasn't running them as fallen grey knights. I was running them because I wanted some different looking chaos terminators. However I got a lot bitching directed towards me so I ended up turning them back into grey knights and selling them on feebay.

Of course now I really don't care what people think. I ork up most new releases every chance I can get unless I like the new releases and want to start that army.

I actually feel like doing this as well now out of sheer rebellion.

Well, how about if i file off all the GK iconography and GS some CSM iconography onto it, then use non-GK helmets and legs. becuase the main thing i like is how they dont look hunchbacked liked normal Termies, so i want the Torsos only.

they're small plastic men....do whatever you want, it shouldn't matter in the slightest to anyone, and if it does, that's sad

GK Ageis armor is antitheme to chaos. Demons and things associated with chaos are burned when they touch the armor. While a Chos being may take the armor as a trophy they would never be able to wear the armor.

Frankly?

I'd think from a fluff perspective they'd be crap.

The Terminator suits that Grey Knights wear are not like the Terminator suits of every other Chapter. They can't just be 'looted'--they're crafted and bound to each individual user. The entire thing isn't responding to just the demands of the user like normal Terminator gear, but rather the Aegis suits have a Machine Spirit all their own which has to mesh with the Grey Knight it's bonded with.

Simply put: There's no way to feasibly 'loot' Aegis armour. Traitor Astartes always make a point of disabling the Machine Spirits of Loyalist Land Raiders so they can capture the vehicles without it blowing itself up.

There's no way to do that with Aegis gear.

Kanluwen wrote:I'd think from a fluff perspective they'd be crap.

Simply put: There's no way to feasibly 'loot' Aegis armour.

And you should by all means listen to this, because he clearly knows about the inner workings of made up sci-fi armor worn by made up space marines in the far far future.

And really, fluff perspective? Fluff perspective? The same fluff that constantly changes, and can be twisted or remade to be whatever you want? The same fluff perspective that gives birth to ultramarine blue blood angels, and grey blood angels?

To the OP. If you think that the new GK models would make cool chaos termies, then go for it. As you said, you wouldn't just field them as GK models, but would do conversions. From a 'fluff' perspective, you could call them some elite unit of terminators, with special daemon armor crafted in the likeness of Gk (to mock them). I'd either cover up the GK script and engravings, or change them to chaos symbols. I'd also consider adding as many trophy racks, severed heads, etc. to them to make them look properly chaosy. If you combine them with the chaos termie arms, or convert the GK arms to hold comb-bolters and autocannon, you'd be golden.

Its your game, and your minis, do whatever you think is cool. And post pics.

That'd be pretty cool, except grey knights don't have any power fists or chainfists,or combi-meltas, which I'm sure you want.Or lightning claws,or autocannons, or trophy racks. Not to mention a lot of GK icons are inset,so you have to fill them.

I Love the idea of converting GK termies into Chaos. and the fluff stands.. doesn't Chaos eat into the hearts of man? just because they are GK doesn't mean that they are Impervious to Chaos, no one is..

i don't like the idea of that you have to file off the insignia.. that insignia looks brilliant! maybe just defile it a pit? by painting it, then painting the symbol of chaos over it?

As long as i see some creative conversions, and not just "dark termies" i would have nothing to say. its your army, your models your fluff, do with it as you please

Some fileing and green stuff and you can turn just bout anything into chaos. I see nothing wrong wrong with this so long as they arnt fallen grey knights (which you said they arnt).

Cruentus wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'd think from a fluff perspective they'd be crap.

Simply put: There's no way to feasibly 'loot' Aegis armour.

And you should by all means listen to this, because he clearly knows about the inner workings of made up sci-fi armor worn by made up space marines in the far far future.

I love how people always use this to try to justify what almost always ends up as a bad idea from start to finish with "made up" in their justification.

And really, fluff perspective? Fluff perspective? The same fluff that constantly changes, and can be twisted or remade to be whatever you want? The same fluff perspective that gives birth to ultramarine blue blood angels, and grey blood angels?

What 'fluff perspective' gives birth to Ultramarine Blue Blood Angels or Grey Blood Angels?

Oh right! None.

Lazy players and powergaming codex hoppers give birth to Ultramarine Blue Blood Angels or Grey Blood Angels.

Fluff doesn't "constantly change" and very few parts of it can be "twisted or remade to be whatever you want".

No matter how hard you wish it was Chapter Master Badass Doodz who saved Armageddon--that's not what happened.

Is the fluff permeable to an extent? Sure. There's a lot of holes left wide open exclusively for that.

However, 'Aegis' armour isn't one of them.


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Built-in wrote:I Love the idea of converting GK termies into Chaos. and the fluff stands.. doesn't Chaos eat into the hearts of man? just because they are GK doesn't mean that they are Impervious to Chaos, no one is..

i don't like the idea of that you have to file off the insignia.. that insignia looks brilliant! maybe just defile it a pit? by painting it, then painting the symbol of chaos over it?

As long as i see some creative conversions, and not just "dark termies" i would have nothing to say. its your army, your models your fluff, do with it as you please

Actually...that's exactly what it means for Grey Knights. They're immune to possession, they're immune to temptation, and that's why they're the Grey Knights.

Space Marines may fall, but the Grey Knights won't.

Just remember, each and every Grey Knight is infected with a daemon before being inducted into the chapter. Maybe his are going to be the one who eventually failed.

...What?

That's the Grey Wardens from Dragon Age.

And/or the Exorcists Chapters.

The Grey Knights have no such thing, unless they've suddenly shoehorned it in from the Exorcists fluff.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Just remember, each and every Grey Knight is infected with a daemon before being inducted into the chapter. Maybe his are going to be the one who eventually failed.

And the rest of Titan just let him walk away from it? I'm sorry. Normally I'm first on the do-what-you-want-with-your-injected-plastic bandwagon, but this is kind of silly.


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Kanluwen wrote:...What?

That's the Grey Wardens from Dragon Age.

And/or the Exorcists Chapters.

The Grey Knights have no such thing, unless they've suddenly shoehorned it in from the Exorcists fluff.

I think it IS somewhere that each GK has had to fight off daemonic possession as part of their ascendance to being a full blown GK, but I can't recall where. Needless to say, any one of them that failed wouldn't be allowed to just walk away, and probably wouldn't be wearing their sanctified armor either.

Cruentus wrote:

And really, fluff perspective? Fluff perspective?

Best LOL Ive had all day. Part of the fun of this site is watching people take 40K way too seriously.

It would be a bit silly to just paint some GK black or red and call them chaos, but using a few GK parts to make a unique chaos army sounds pretty cool.

Mix and match away, they are your minis, do as you like. If you run into people who have a problem with them...write those folks off as stuffy fools and dont play with them again.

They haven't had to "fight off daemonic possession as part of their ascendance".

But they do have to go through the same 'Soul-Binding' ritual that Navigators, etc do...but that has nothing to do with daemonic possession, it just is used to bind the psyker to the Emperor.


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Mad4Minis wrote:

Cruentus wrote:

And really, fluff perspective? Fluff perspective?

Best LOL Ive had all day. Part of the fun of this site is watching people take 40K way too seriously.

It would be a bit silly to just paint some GK black or red and call them chaos, but using a few GK parts to make a unique chaos army sounds pretty cool.

Mix and match away, they are your minis, do as you like. If you run into people who have a problem with them...write those folks off as stuffy fools and dont play with them again.

So why bother playing 40k if you're not interested in the fluff?

You could play army men for a fraction of the cost and never have to worry about painting!

Seriously. I don't understand why people choose to act like it's "taking 40k way too seriously" when they choose to do things based off a theme.

I don't mock the powergamers half as much as I should for their codex hopping shenanigans. I don't mock the kid who thought that adding more spikes to his commander means it's "moar awesome!".

So quite frankly, take yourself out of my sight and enjoy my ignore list.

I wouldn't have a problem with it.

That being said, it is OK to be a bit irked by it. If you really like the GW fluff and enjoy the atmosphere that lends to your games, then yeah, I can completely see why it would annoy people.

However, they are YOUR models. Do whatever you like with them. You may find some people are a bit annoyed, some may even refuse to play you, but just as many will be fine with it.

I always thought the best part of this hobby was that there's something for everyone. Enjoy your modelling project, will we get to see pictures of it in progress/when its done?

Wow, people here actually care about this stuff?

Here's my thought process. My opponent plays Chaos. I see Terminators. They are Chaos Terminators. As long as the weapons are more or less WYSIWYG, who cares? There's no rulebook called "fluff".

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Just remember, each and every Grey Knight is infected with a daemon before being inducted into the chapter. Maybe his are going to be the one who eventually failed.

whoa what! i never played GK before so i don't know... but thats awesome! please.. please don't delay the GK release in my area!

and to the OP how sick would a termie look with a daemon tearing outta him, kinda controlling him like a puppet!

DO IT! (and post pics )

Kanluwen wrote:So why bother playing 40k if you're not interested in the fluff?

You could play army men for a fraction of the cost and never have to worry about painting!

Seriously. I don't understand why people choose to act like it's "taking 40k way too seriously" when they choose to do things based off a theme.

I don't mock the powergamers half as much as I should for their codex hopping shenanigans. I don't mock the kid who thought that adding more spikes to his commander means it's "moar awesome!".

So quite frankly, take yourself out of my sight and enjoy my ignore list.

I actually agree with you 100% re: 40k and fluff. I'd prefer if my opponents actually followed the fluff, didn't powergame (jump chapters when the next new thing hit using the same minis), and in many cases actually knew the background for the various chapters and the universe.

But we've seen the chaos dex lose 'animosity' between the chaos gods, we've seen BA and Necrons 'cooperate', and now we're seeing GKs go from being secretive and small but elite, primarily utilizing terminators - heck, in 2nd or 3rd ed, your GKs that you bought for your army couldn't hit the table unless a daemon was summoned or someone used a psychic power - otherwise, wasted points. That's the fluff stuff that has been slowly changing, and being written out or modified.

Its a shame that things have moved in that direction, but they're catering to a young audience, and the young audience only knows whats in the last codex, not what was around in Rogue Trader. Shame really, most of the compelling stuff gets lost.

And with 'counts as' and how its reared its head lately, I fear all is (or most is) lost

OP, I'd say fall back on the Rule of Cool. Make it look cool enough and nobody is going to give you much crap about it. Those that do, you can take comfort in the fact that you have better things to do than freak out over some game fluff.