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The Coteaz model is so badass. That's how power armor should look. The Eagle is a but dumb though.

I'll probably pick one of those up even though I never plan on playing Grey Knights.

Lorr and cortez make my life.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:The UK Webstore, however, did have him for sale.

Dude, I bought it in the US from the US website store. They had it in the US website store too. Sorry you missed it. Get over it.

Hot damn, son. Stick it to him.

These models are nice, but they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY over priced. $10 for a single mini is ridiculous. You could scratch build a dozen inquisitors from a box of Empire Flagellants combined with some space marine bits.

GW's stuff was overpriced 10 years ago and how they're still in business and competing with video games is mind boggling.

I am pleased they finally put Lorr into full production. He is probably one of my favourite Inquisitor miniatures ever.

I've never seen that crusader miniature before, the one with the cool shield.
My pants are ruined now.

What's interesting is that they're keeping some of the old metal GK range for sale as well. The old Brother Captain from the Termy box appears to be on sale separately as well.

I like the idea of Coteaz being on sale by himself (always wanted him but didn't want everything in his boxed set as I already owned all of it), ditto for the standard Witch Hunter Inquisitor (same reason - though I bitz ordered that Inquisitor when GW still had a bitz service).

As for Lorr? It took me a while to find him on eBay for a decent price, so it annoying to see him just become a 'normal' model. I like all the Ltd. Ed models I have - and I have heaps of them, from the Possessed Marine from the 3.5 Chaos Codex boxed army to the Skullz Adeptus Mechanicus unit - and it cheapens his specialness a little to have him available like a normal model. Don't care that much.


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JSK-Fox wrote:I've never seen that crusader miniature before, the one with the cool shield.
My pants are ruined now.

That was the other Crusader. There were always two, but only one was available outside of the Witch Hunter Inquisitor + Retinue box.

BrassScorpion wrote:Actually, I took a closer look. One of those models was NOT available until just now because it was an out of production limited edition model. I've got two of them, the value just went way, waaaay down.

i'd say it just dropped to 20.01% under the retail price unfortunately. i'm not against GW making *similar* minis (for instance if they changed his hat and added a melta pistol but kept the rest the same) to fill a need (like the dual crusaders who differ only in the hoodie the one pictured here wears) but i agree that "limited" should mean just that. if anything, they need to rerelease the wolf priest mini instead of this one. the only official GW commonly available fig for that role is a sculpt that was crappy even back in 2nd edition when it was first released. inquisitors... we've got plenty on the market.

I'm ecstatic that I spent $32 on the Coteaz boxed set when it originally came out, as I got 4 extra miniatures for only 2x the cost it is now!

For anyone who *doesn't* think the Gideon Lorr miniature was a limited release... here is a separate site that will confirm it: http://www.solegends.com/citle/citle2000/prcodes/pr18witchhunter.htm

Apparently he was planned originally to be in the WH box set... that, I didn't know.

I've heard that he was also originally available at store openings, Games Day events and promo events... it leads me to believe that he was intended to be just the 'promo' for coming out to an event (ya know... after his original intention).

Obviously plans changed even further...

This really makes me wonder what other models they're going to bring back... I wonder if my Epheral Stern is safe >.> or her inquisitor friend, lol.

Now, if you'll excuse me: I'm going to watch the news while my state is apparently burning to the ground... wth?!

Revarien wrote:For anyone who *doesn't* think the Gideon Lorr miniature was a limited release... here is a separate site that will confirm it: http://www.solegends.com/citle/citle2000/prcodes/pr18witchhunter.htm

He wasn't very limited, though. As far as GW limited releases go, he was right up there with the 'At Ease' Cadians and only a short way behind the Black Templar Marshall for availability, as he was sold at multiple games days and roadshows... and yes, for a very limited time when they were presumably clearing out some old stock, directly through the GW webstore.

I wonder if my Epheral Stern is safe >.> or her inquisitor friend, lol.

I would be very surprised if any of the Black Library miniatures ever make it into general release. They were a very different kettle of fish to the normal run of limited releases. Although part of that difference was just down to most of them not actually being very good...

Always wanted a Lorr model,glad i did not pay 40.00 dollars on ebay for him.

Seems to me highly selfish to be upset that your 'limited edition' figure is never produced again for fear that A) other people will have it (god forbid) and B) your figure won't be worth as much. They're just models.

The sense of entitlement is annoying to me, even as a person who has shifted a fair bit of 'collectable' stuff on eBay. I'm a buyer as well as a seller. Just because you have an old or limited figure you don't have a right to a premium on eBay. The thing you have to accept is that companies who see their old stock becoming valuable can always make it again, and I have to say that recasters see the same opportunity. To fill a clear gap in the market. As a collector you should learn to live with it.

Plenty of people have missed out on figures that have gone out of production 'limited edition' or not. Making them available for people again is for the good of the gaming community not its detriment. That's why the loss of the citadel back catalogues was such a blow.

Gideon Lorr has been out of production for some time now, it's not like they took a figure that was "limited edition" and put it into regular release straight after they suckered a load of people into buying it, it might be slightly cynical that they ignore their previous "limited edition" tag but I can't see the greater harm.

'Limited edition' is a nebulous term anyway. How limited? All figures are limited to some degree. It's not like they were individually numbered and GW claimed that only a certain total would be made.

I have limited edition figures and the though of them going back into production bothers me not a bit. Like the Dark Angels sergeant from some summer campaign that was only available in store events but is now on the GW site, or the Gimli on the dead Uruk.

I'm of the opinion that I would rather see figures available to all rather than see 'collectors' values soar, even though it would suit me to some extent. I'm even accepting of recasting to a degree on the basis that the figures involved are well out of production and that the person buying them is not being misled as to their 'genuine' or not nature.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Seems to me highly selfish that your 'limited edition' figure is never produced again for fear that A) other people will have it (god forbid) and B) your figure won't be worth as much. They're just models.

Dude, you think the RAEG here is bad, you should be glad you weren't a Transformer figure collector when they announced that Thundercracker(previous only available as an LE Henkei or Botcon exclusive) would be released in America to mass retail.

You know, because the mass retail(and therefore with different paint apps and no chrome to keep the price down) version would suddenly devalue the older figures.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Seems to me highly selfish to be upset that your 'limited edition' figure is never produced again for fear that A) other people will have it (god forbid) and B) your figure won't be worth as much. They're just models.

I don't really see it being selfish. Part of the attraction of buying limited editions is that they are, you know, limited. You're buying something (usually for more than you would normally pay for something equivalent in general release) on the understanding that it's that little bit special, on account of not being widely available to all and sundry.

So I think it's perfectly understandable for people to be upset when down the track that limited edition is released for sale to all.


That being said, I think that anyone buying limited editions from GW should also keep in the back of their minds that GW Limited Editions often aren't very... and that there will always be the chance that they model that you buy today as a limited edition may well become widely available, or be re-issued for a later event.

insaniak wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Seems to me highly selfish to be upset that your 'limited edition' figure is never produced again for fear that A) other people will have it (god forbid) and B) your figure won't be worth as much. They're just models.

I don't really see it being selfish. Part of the attraction of buying limited editions is that they are, you know, limited. You're buying something (usually for more than you would normally pay for something equivalent in general release) on the understanding that it's that little bit special, on account of not being widely available to all and sundry.

So I think it's perfectly understandable for people to be upset when down the track that limited edition is released for sale to all.


That being said, I think that anyone buying limited editions from GW should also keep in the back of their minds that GW Limited Editions often aren't very... and that there will always be the chance that they model that you buy today as a limited edition may well become widely available, or be re-issued for a later event.

+1

I don't think it is hard to comprehend that if you sell something as 'limited edition', that is part of the sale as much of the model itself to a collector. Imagine you had searched ebay for months looking for that mini, finally got it, was happy you succeeded in your quest only to find out it was pit for half the price to everyone 2 months later... that sucks.

Is it a world ending big deal? No... but it definitely isn't selfish or unwarranted to be a bit pissed off IMO. Insaniak is right that someone familiar with GW's practices would be aware of the risk that it could be commonly released... but... you would have to be familiar, and there is no rule or obligation to study the history or business practices of the company to buy a mini.

MajorTom11 wrote:Insaniak is right that someone familiar with GW's practices would be aware of the risk that it could be commonly released... but... you would have to be familiar, and there is no rule or obligation to study the history or business practices of the company to buy a mini.

Although it should be some sort of red flag if the company in question isn't putting an actual figure on the 'limited' thing.

'Limited release of 1000 castings' would make it actually limited.
Just saying 'Limited Release' might mean it's actually limited. It might just mean that they've cast up a truck load of them to see how they sell. Or that they'll sell as many of them as people buy in a limited time period.

Sergeant Centurius was a genuine 'Limited Edition' (although even there, there was no actual figure put out as to how many were cast... just that limited quantities were sent out to stores, for sale on one specific day). So was the original Emperor's Champion... until they re-released him in the 'theoretically limited release but not really' Heroes of the Imperium box. Inquisitor Lorr... was limited only in that you could only buy him at certain events. And that was largely reflected in his price on the secondary market, compared to other more 'actually limited' miniatures.

Fair enough, I thought it was actually directly reffered to as limited edition. I guess the point is, don't pay too much for a mini just because you think it is rare or valuable, pay too much because you just want it that bad!

insaniak wrote:
Although it should be some sort of red flag if the company in question isn't putting an actual figure on the 'limited' thing.

'Limited release of 1000 castings' would make it actually limited.
Just saying 'Limited Release' might mean it's actually limited. It might just mean that they've cast up a truck load of them to see how they sell. Or that they'll sell as many of them as people buy in a limited time period.

Sergeant Centurius was a genuine 'Limited Edition' (although even there, there was no actual figure put out as to how many were cast... just that limited quantities were sent out to stores, for sale on one specific day). So was the original Emperor's Champion... until they re-released him in the 'theoretically limited release but not really' Heroes of the Imperium box. Inquisitor Lorr... was limited only in that you could only buy him at certain events. And that was largely reflected in his price on the secondary market, compared to other more 'actually limited' miniatures.

The problem is that the term itself is over used by "marketing" people without a grasp of the true ramifications.

Limited Edition, means there was some fixed document quantity made, they don't have to advertise it, but at the same time they can't just crank out more either and claim it was a higher number of castings.

Limited Release, means there is a fixed duration or venue availability beyond which they're not suppose to continue selling at.

Someone could assert that from a philosophical stand point all releases are limited releases or limited editions... since you can't get GW products every where and that GW won't produce a given model forever... that may be true, but what's important is the use of those terms is a claim on the part of a company to a consciously chosen self imposed restriction on availability. If its used as a selling point and then they change their minds, its false advertisement plain and simple.

insaniak wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Insaniak is right that someone familiar with GW's practices would be aware of the risk that it could be commonly released... but... you would have to be familiar, and there is no rule or obligation to study the history or business practices of the company to buy a mini.

Although it should be some sort of red flag if the company in question isn't putting an actual figure on the 'limited' thing.

'Limited release of 1000 castings' would make it actually limited.
Just saying 'Limited Release' might mean it's actually limited. It might just mean that they've cast up a truck load of them to see how they sell. Or that they'll sell as many of them as people buy in a limited time period.

Sergeant Centurius was a genuine 'Limited Edition' (although even there, there was no actual figure put out as to how many were cast... just that limited quantities were sent out to stores, for sale on one specific day). So was the original Emperor's Champion... until they re-released him in the 'theoretically limited release but not really' Heroes of the Imperium box. Inquisitor Lorr... was limited only in that you could only buy him at certain events. And that was largely reflected in his price on the secondary market, compared to other more 'actually limited' miniatures.

Centurius was sent out as one model per store to celebrate the opening of their 100th store. Hence his name.
I do not know how they handled selling that one at each.
He is the only model I have ever seen a number associated with.

Based on the numbers I've seen on eBay, he has been re-cast a bit.

Just glad I managed to get both the inquistor boxed sets the other month for only a little more (each) than now I'd have to pay to buy 2 guys! Still they are are all really good models.

skrulnik wrote:

insaniak wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Insaniak is right that someone familiar with GW's practices would be aware of the risk that it could be commonly released... but... you would have to be familiar, and there is no rule or obligation to study the history or business practices of the company to buy a mini.

Although it should be some sort of red flag if the company in question isn't putting an actual figure on the 'limited' thing.

'Limited release of 1000 castings' would make it actually limited.
Just saying 'Limited Release' might mean it's actually limited. It might just mean that they've cast up a truck load of them to see how they sell. Or that they'll sell as many of them as people buy in a limited time period.

Sergeant Centurius was a genuine 'Limited Edition' (although even there, there was no actual figure put out as to how many were cast... just that limited quantities were sent out to stores, for sale on one specific day). So was the original Emperor's Champion... until they re-released him in the 'theoretically limited release but not really' Heroes of the Imperium box. Inquisitor Lorr... was limited only in that you could only buy him at certain events. And that was largely reflected in his price on the secondary market, compared to other more 'actually limited' miniatures.

Centurius was sent out as one model per store to celebrate the opening of their 100th store. Hence his name.
I do not know how they handled selling that one at each.
He is the only model I have ever seen a number associated with.

Based on the numbers I've seen on eBay, he has been re-cast a bit.

There were several Centurious packs sent out to GW stores for the 100th store opening. I remember waiting in line for at the Fairfax store, and getting him in a blisterpack along with a few other people at the time.

He was later re released in the US in the space marine boxed army for a limited time. It was a huge army box, but a lot of them sold purely for the Centurious model. There was even a mold for him in the US, (I think 70076-1 and -2)

At one time I had 6 of them, (I even traded a tyranid dominator for another one in blister pack from the UK). I love that model and used to want to make a squad of him. I've gotten another off ebay, but it wasn't counterfit. (I did end up with a counterfit Bounty Huntress on ebay. It's easy to tell because it's much smaller than the others I have)

I had two of those 'desperado' Inquisitors but lost them in a divorce. Good to see he's back!!

Griever wrote:The Coteaz model is so badass. That's how power armor should look. The Eagle is a but dumb though.

I'll probably pick one of those up even though I never plan on playing Grey Knights.

I agree, love the model but have no idea why an eagle is attached to his arm???

Da Bank wrote:

Griever wrote:The Coteaz model is so badass. That's how power armor should look. The Eagle is a but dumb though.

I'll probably pick one of those up even though I never plan on playing Grey Knights.

I agree, love the model but have no idea why an eagle is attached to his arm???

It's his 'signature' item, alongside that hourglass at his belt.

He was awarded the psyber eagle by the Adeptus Mechanicus, and it allowed him to further focus his psyker powers over distances.

skrulnik wrote:Centurius was sent out as one model per store to celebrate the opening of their 100th store. Hence his name.

No, he wasn't. He was sold to celebrate the opening of the hundredth store, yes... but stores had more than one each.

You might be getting confused with the Emperor's Champion, which was also freely for one day (GW's 25th anniversary) with stores also each receiving a single silver-plated version as a giveaway prize.

Based on the numbers I've seen on eBay, he has been re-cast a bit.

There was a comment from one of the GW studio guys from Games Day a few years back that they were fairly confident that more Centuriuses had been sold on eBay than they actually made to begin with.

If you're buying one off eBay, and he's not in a blister, be wary.

Howard A Treesong wrote:snip

Could. Not. Agree. More.

insaniak wrote:That being said, I think that anyone buying limited editions from GW should also keep in the back of their minds that GW Limited Editions often aren't very... and that there will always be the chance that they model that you buy today as a limited edition may well become widely available, or be re-issued for a later event.

Yeah, but how many years later?

And another thing, is it not good enough to know that you had the model years before anyone else was able to buy it directly? Or does that not make one "special" enough?

Sidstyler wrote:And another thing, is it not good enough to know that you had the model years before anyone else was able to buy it directly? Or does that not make one "special" enough?

That would depend entirely on the individual.

For myself, I don't buy models because they're rare. I buy them because I like them. So the fact that I have them is good enough... I couldn't care less who else also has them.

But for those who do buy them for their rarity, then no, having something before other people can get it and having something that very few people will ever have are two very different things.

Kind of weird prices on the single figures. They still have the 3 pack of Witch Hunter Henchman which includes that Crusader sculpt available for $19.75. But then the individual figs are $10 each. Oh well, doesn't surprise me.

I'm not disappointed that they're re-releasing the Limited Edition Inquisitor, I picked one up back during the original sale and swapped his fist for the sword from the other sculpt. What I'd like is some of the other Henchman packs brought back, like the Acolyte, Mystic, Heirophant. Or the rest of the Henchman released individually as well.

Kanluwen wrote:

Da Bank wrote:

Griever wrote:The Coteaz model is so badass. That's how power armor should look. The Eagle is a but dumb though.

I'll probably pick one of those up even though I never plan on playing Grey Knights.

I agree, love the model but have no idea why an eagle is attached to his arm???

It's his 'signature' item, alongside that hourglass at his belt.

He was awarded the psyber eagle by the Adeptus Mechanicus, and it allowed him to further focus his psyker powers over distances.

Ok, guess that make sense, just seems a little odd.