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Conservationist wrote:Bromance is HERESY! I'm sure they do not poke each others back with well...yea..., do not touch each other's...well..yea... and do not sleep with each other while having...well..yea...

What do you call someone (or something) that suffers the horrors of the universe with you, who prays with you, eats with you, trains with you, dies with you, gives you advice, takes your advice, looks out for you, make fun of you, let you make fun of him, fights beside you, is willing to die for you (and the Emperor), lives more than centuries with you and suffers with you?

Brother.

This. It's the best way to describe their bond.

So this would be the description of the bond between battle-bros equal in rank.

But how do they view the Chapter Master? And the libbies? And the scouts? And what about the chapter serfs who were denied the right to be called "brothers". And how would they even view the populations they rule and protect (if they are not fleet-based)?

Laodamia wrote:So this would be the description of the bond between battle-bros equal in rank.

But how do they view the Chapter Master? And the libbies? And the scouts? And what about the chapter serfs who were denied the right to be called "brothers". And how would they even view the populations they rule and protect (if they are not fleet-based)?

I always imagined dreadnoughts being viewed like elders, depending on the chapter. Very old with alot of experience and wisdom.

Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

Fafnir wrote:Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

I sense Chaos taint in your voice...

Fafnir wrote:Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

Where did you see a phallic symbol on SM?

I bet coa is right.

He must be possessed by a slaanesh daemon!

Burn the Heretic!

Laodamia wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

Where did you see a phallic symbol on SM?

It's like they're screaming "HEY! LOOK AT MY REALLY BIG SCHLONG!"

Mr Nobody wrote:

Laodamia wrote:So this would be the description of the bond between battle-bros equal in rank.

But how do they view the Chapter Master? And the libbies? And the scouts? And what about the chapter serfs who were denied the right to be called "brothers". And how would they even view the populations they rule and protect (if they are not fleet-based)?

I always imagined dreadnoughts being viewed like elders, depending on the chapter. Very old with alot of experience and wisdom.

Which chapter wouldn't view dreadnought as something around the line of way too old brothers or an elderly member of the family?


then again ALL SM chapter can be accused of "questionable" practices

Laodamia wrote:
It's like they're screaming "HEY! LOOK AT MY REALLY BIG SCHLONG!"

No no no... they are just saying: "Take a look at my big gun - it will be your last"

Brother Coa wrote:

Laodamia wrote:
It's like they're screaming "HEY! LOOK AT MY REALLY BIG SCHLONG!"

No no no... they are just saying: "Take a look at my big gun - it will be your last"

When I unload my hot, steaming load of concentrated plasma straight into your...

Nevermind.

In all serioussness though, 40k is pretty much the ultimate in masculine overcompensation. It'll end up being a major subject in a paper I'll be writing soon.

Fafnir wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Laodamia wrote:
It's like they're screaming "HEY! LOOK AT MY REALLY BIG SCHLONG!"

No no no... they are just saying: "Take a look at my big gun - it will be your last"

When I unload my hot, steaming load of concentrated plasma straight into your...

Nevermind.

In all serioussness though, 40k is pretty much the ultimate in masculine overcompensation. It'll end up being a major subject in a paper I'll be writing soon.

You are really made me laugh with your plasma joke

And in all serioussness what about Sisters of Battle? Or the Eldar?

The sisters of battle are still incredibly masculine. If you took away the boobs and the name, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The oversized phallic imagery doesn't help either.

In the case of Eldar, their weapons could be considered just as phallic, in some cases even moreso (dark reapers... wow).

Additionally, although being marginal improvements compared to Space Marines, they're not nearly as marketed.

Fafnir wrote:The sisters of battle are still incredibly masculine. If you took away the boobs and the name, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The oversized phallic imagery doesn't help either.

In the case of Eldar, their weapons could be considered just as phallic, in some cases even moreso (dark reapers... wow).

Additionally, although being marginal improvements compared to Space Marines, they're not nearly as marketed.

No, Sisters are not that much muscular. I would tag some pictures but the forum rules....
A for Eldar, I thougt on Farseers (Taldeer, Macha, idranel) and on Banshees.

Damn, this entire forum is being overrun by slaaneshi cultists!

Where is the Inquisition when we need it the most?!?

I would say that eldars seem to have the less "masculine virility" connotations in this sci-fi universe. Their overall appearance is more subtle, almost feminine. (I'm gonna get quartered by all eldar players for this line...)

Back on topic, I wonder if SoB share the same bond between them than SM. Do they view their canonness as a mother?

Laodamia wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Who would have thought that a fictional universe that is largely focused on the exploits of large, sweaty, grunting manly mans men weilding oversized phallic symbols would have homosexual overtones...

Where did you see a phallic symbol on SM?

I bet coa is right.

He must be possessed by a slaanesh daemon!

Burn the Heretic!

The whole image of SMs -- super tall, hyper muscley, their body image magnified farther by power armour -- is an adolescent dream of exaggerated manly manliness and male power.

The sub-text is so bleeding obvious it hardly counts as sub-text.

Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

This is why I play Tyranids, no freudian subtext.

Mr Nobody wrote:This is why I play Tyranids, no freudian subtext.

You're right, no freudian subtext. Just severe bulimia symptoms.

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

Be fair to the man he did say "Sometimes a banana is just a banana"
Phallic imagery can be found anywhere but sometimes it does get a bit dodgy...

purplefood wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

purplefood wrote:Freud would have a field day with GW models and fluff...

Just remember, if someone has a sword, it's actually phallic imagery. If someone stabs a vampire through the chest with a stake, it's phallic. Someone has a large weapon? Phallic. Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thinking is ridiculous.

Be fair to the man he did say "Sometimes a banana is just a banana"
Phallic imagery can be found anywhere but sometimes it does get a bit dodgy...

Usually it's phallic when it gets on the ridiculous side, like the giant swords in final fantasy and other games, giant guns and swords are compensation. You know what they say, the bigger the gun, the smaller the pistol.

First, I'd like to say, WOW. Didn't expect this thread to take off so quickly. Secondly, it's going off topic to the extreme. It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships. I'm going off of the first two definitions listed here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bromance So please forgive me if I unintentionally brought insult with the ambiguousness of my phrasing.
As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

EmilCrane wrote:I was specifically talking about the Black templars, and in their codex it doesn't say the neophytes do the work of serfs

I don't know what things are like where you are from, but if I'm waiting on someone at banquets, I'd be their serf. Serfs in the other chapters also handle this duty. And IIRC, doesn't they're codex say they have to carry the gear/armor for who they are mentoring with and are responsible for cleaning/upkeep of said equipment?

purplefood wrote:
Be fair to the man he did say "Sometimes a banana is just a banana"
Phallic imagery can be found anywhere but sometimes it does get a bit dodgy...

I haven't read his works, but the interpretation people give to me seems somewhat suspect.

Mr Nobody wrote:Usually it's phallic when it gets on the ridiculous side, like the giant swords in final fantasy and other games, giant guns and swords are compensation. You know what they say, the bigger the gun, the smaller the pistol.

There's no real suggestion of such a thing though. It's just something people say. Large swords were used in real life, albeit they were unlikely to be of the same size as some in fantasy games (like in Final Fantasy), and oversized swords are much more likely to be due to the 'rule of cool' than any phallic symbolism.

Son of Dorn wrote:It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships.

What do you expect when you use a word that was very recently made up (and a clumsy amalgamation of two already existing words as well)? Yes, Space Marines likely have that sort of relation. It's clear that they love each other at least as much as any real life military unit. They live, fight and die together, and view each other as brothers (as pointed out).

As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

Only if you choose to see them. I've been told that a scene in Bram Stokers Dracula when a vampire is stabbed through the heart with a stake is phallic. Personally, I'd never have come close to thinking such a thing.

Anything pointy and/or has a violent use can be said to be phallic...

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Son of Dorn wrote:It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships.

What do you expect when you use a word that was very recently made up (and a clumsy amalgamation of two already existing words as well)? Yes, Space Marines likely have that sort of relation. It's clear that they love each other at least as much as any real life military unit. They live, fight and die together, and view each other as brothers (as pointed out).

As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

Only if you choose to see them. I've been told that a scene in Bram Stokers Dracula when a vampire is stabbed through the heart with a stake is phallic. Personally, I'd never have come close to thinking such a thing.

Actually, the term 'bromance' is popular slang where I live and amoungst my friends (as we're all dorks that way) and I didn't really think about it being a relatively new term when I used it.

As for the phallic issue, I think it comes more down to that particular shape being the most effecient for the purpose of thrusting. Whether it's a phallically shaped ship thrusting through atmostphere to get to outer space, a phallically shaped sworth thrusting forward to pierce armor and kill an enemy, or a phallically shaped weapon thrusting a projectile outwards do kill/maim/destroy someone. We see it everywhere because no other shape is as effecienct for conveying kinetic energy to a specific point. Seeking it all out is reading too deeply into it, IMHO.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:First, I'd like to say, WOW. Didn't expect this thread to take off so quickly. Secondly, it's going off topic to the extreme. It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships. I'm going off of the first two definitions listed here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bromance So please forgive me if I unintentionally brought insult with the ambiguousness of my phrasing.
As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

You could have said so earlier. In this universe, it is only Grimdark. If you don't state what you want, the administratum would give you what you do NOT want. Which is probably going to kill you. What if I was an inquisitor? You would be dragged off, tortured and destroyed.

Mr Nobody wrote:This is why I play Tyranids, no freudian subtext.

There's always a Fruedian sub-text

If you play Nids it means you really want to go play popsey with the Mother-in-Law.


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Just seen this thread title:
General fantasy questions regarding Lizardmen‏

see what I mean?

Conservationist wrote:

Son 0f Dorn wrote:First, I'd like to say, WOW. Didn't expect this thread to take off so quickly. Secondly, it's going off topic to the extreme. It is very appearant that many of you didn't properly understand my meaning when I used the term 'Bromance'. It has nothing to do with homosexual relationships. I'm going off of the first two definitions listed here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bromance So please forgive me if I unintentionally brought insult with the ambiguousness of my phrasing.
As for all the phallic references, they're seen in almost anything. (no more crimson fisting!)

You could have said so earlier. In this universe, it is only Grimdark. If you don't state what you want, the administratum would give you what you do NOT want. Which is probably going to kill you. What if I was an inquisitor? You would be dragged off, tortured and destroyed.

Or made into a member of your retinue for my 'inquisitive' natue?

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Except we see fear/revulsion directed at Techmarines and Librians.

The older brother who picks his nose, smokes weed, and the parents seem to dislike him, but love him deep down

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

........If it is wrong to make your brother your slave, sue me.

EmilCrane wrote:I was specifically talking about the Black templars, and in their codex it doesn't say the neophytes do the work of serfs

I don't know what things are like where you are from, but if I'm waiting on someone at banquets, I'd be their serf. Serfs in the other chapters also handle this duty. And IIRC, doesn't they're codex say they have to carry the gear/armor for who they are mentoring with and are responsible for cleaning/upkeep of said equipment?

Doop Dude wrote:
- Dreads are the wise old uncles.

And Slaanesh Dreads are that weird uncle who touched you in weird places?