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Was discussing the relationships between battle brothers with some friends. After some debate we decided it was a bromance. Anyone else have thoughts on the matter?

I imagine it would sort of be like a high school football team, lots of swatting each other on the butt and surreptitious peeking in the showers to see how your "equipment" measured up with the other manly men.

Well you do get the impression of the fraternity keggers when you read about the Space Wolves.

They are brothers and the affection they have for eachother is the same as one has for their siblings. Chapter masters and dreadnoughts may be viewed more as a father figure, while other high ranking space marines are like older brothers. Scouts would be viewed the same way one views their little brother.

Except we see fear/revulsion directed at Techmarines and Librians.
Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

Mr Nobody wrote: Scouts would be viewed the same way one views their little brother.

Meaning that they make them eat worms and tease them when they cry.

By what I've seen, Scouts are treated as partial outsiders seeking to prove themselves worthy to become full-fledged Battle Brothers.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

Exactly. I guess it depends on the culture of the chapter.

Some chapters with a more "primitive" or archaic culture might place hierarchy before fraternity. Hence, neophytes would be disregarded by battle brothers, who are in turn being despised by the proud veterans, etc.

Meh, sounds like any other military unit.

In other words:

Old Guy: "Hey new guy, take this trash bag and get me an exhaust sample from the generator."
New Guy: "Okay, how do I do that?"
Old Guy: "Take the trash bag and hold it over the exhaust pipe while it is running, then take the bag to the motor sergeant."
The New Guy then runs off to do it, and then during all of the laughter from everyone else, goes to the Motor Sergeant, who tells him he needs some Flight Line, and some Blinker Fluid.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote: Scouts would be viewed the same way one views their little brother.

Meaning that they make them eat worms and tease them when they cry.

Battle Brother: "Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself"

Scout: CHAPTER MASTER!!! Brother David won't leave me alone!



500 Posts!

It's not like that....
Scouts are the future of the Chapter and for that they are respected. And the older Marines are teaching them well, maybe sometimes they are pushing them over the limits.
But I have never heard of Space Marines abusing their scouts, they are just to disciplined and religious to do that.
Example is Scout sergeant Cyrus from DoW II. I never saw Other sergeants abuse him or their scouts.

Well... the Ultramarines are based off Greek / Roman Culture...

So MY guess is... errr... think naked in bath houses with boys of a questionable age (those poor scouts)

I mean... blame the Romans not me :/

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Well you do get the impression of the fraternity keggers when you read about the Space Wolves.

This... even the elder (and wiser) SW do some srazy stuff. Though the Blood Claws are entertaining aparently...

akaean wrote:Well... the Ultramarines are based off Greek / Roman Culture...

So MY guess is... errr... think naked in bath houses with boys of a questionable age (those poor scouts)

I mean... blame the Romans not me :/

Show us on the doll where the chaplain touched you.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:
Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

No, they don't, they train them and the initiates treat this as a solemn duty. Its a peer mentor relationship. They're not pampered, but they're not treated as servants, no where in the codex does it say this.

They do the duties of chapter serfs for whoever they are apprenticing for.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:They do the duties of chapter serfs for whoever is training them.

It says they do wait on them at banquets, not that they do the work of serfs.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:

akaean wrote:Well... the Ultramarines are based off Greek / Roman Culture...

So MY guess is... errr... think naked in bath houses with boys of a questionable age (those poor scouts)

I mean... blame the Romans not me :/

Show us on the doll where the chaplain touched you.

*Crushes the doll in his hands*

^ He was quite thorough, then.

At any rate, as stated, the Space Marines relationship with one another is generally a strong family-like bond, however, there are variations from chapter to chapter.

One fist ready to strike your enemies, the other reaching out to help your brother.

Just think it's funnier to picture them that way.

@Footsloggin: I lol'd. Pretty hard too.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I imagine it would sort of be like a high school football team, lots of swatting each other on the butt and surreptitious peeking in the showers to see how your "equipment" measured up with the other manly men.

I think more of the bond of gladiators in ancient Rome. A Lanister would own a group and they would constantly try to out-do their "brothers" in the Arena. Seems pertinent to the bond between Space Marines with either duty, the Imperium, their chapter, or the Emperor as their Lanister.

EmilCrane wrote:

Son 0f Dorn wrote:
Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

No, they don't, they train them and the initiates treat this as a solemn duty. Its a peer mentor relationship. They're not pampered, but they're not treated as servants, no where in the codex does it say this.

I wouldn't expect a Space Marines recruiting document to mention the abuse of new members as a prominent feature of chapter life.

There are about 1,000 chapters with a highly variable level of adherence to the strict principles of the Vanilla codex. It wouldn't surprise me if a few chapters were a bit more unorthodox in the treatment of different levels.

Spartans had a pretty crappy time before they got to full Spartiate level. But in their system, any boy born in Sparta was in the system as soon as he could walk, no choice.

I don't imagine GW would ever publish material covering physical, mental or sexual abuse of initiates.

Kilkrazy wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

Son 0f Dorn wrote:
Black Templar treat neophytes (scouts) as personal servants.

No, they don't, they train them and the initiates treat this as a solemn duty. Its a peer mentor relationship. They're not pampered, but they're not treated as servants, no where in the codex does it say this.

I wouldn't expect a Space Marines recruiting document to mention the abuse of new members as a prominent feature of chapter life.

There are about 1,000 chapters with a highly variable level of adherence to the strict principles of the Vanilla codex. It wouldn't surprise me if a few chapters were a bit more unorthodox in the treatment of different levels.

Spartans had a pretty crappy time before they got to full Spartiate level. But in their system, any boy born in Sparta was in the system as soon as he could walk, no choice.

I don't imagine GW would ever publish material covering physical, mental or sexual abuse of initiates.

I was specifically talking about the Black templars, and in their codex it doesn't say the neophytes do the work of serfs

Kilkrazy wrote:I don't imagine GW would ever publish material covering physical, mental or sexual abuse of initiates.

Sounds like someone hasn't read Space Marine, by Ian Watson.

Bromance is HERESY! I'm sure they do not poke each others back with well...yea..., do not touch each other's...well..yea... and do not sleep with each other while having...well..yea...

What do you call someone (or something) that suffers the horrors of the universe with you, who prays with you, eats with you, trains with you, dies with you, gives you advice, takes your advice, looks out for you, make fun of you, let you make fun of him, fights beside you, is willing to die for you (and the Emperor), lives more than centuries with you and suffers with you?

Brother.

akaean wrote:Well... the Ultramarines are based off Greek / Roman Culture...

So MY guess is... errr... think naked in bath houses with boys of a questionable age (those poor scouts)

I mean... blame the Romans not me :/

This train of thoughts makes one wonder why the Crimson Fists are called that way.

So, Aspirant Theo, you wish to become a full fledged Battle Brother?
<Thwack>
Thank you sir, may I have another?

Fetterkey wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I don't imagine GW would ever publish material covering physical, mental or sexual abuse of initiates.

Sounds like someone hasn't read Space Marine, by Ian Watson.

I've never read any GW novels, and never intend to.

However the codex is the starting point really.

The BA codex may well not say anything about the initiates doing the duty of serfs.

The young Spartans didn't have to do the duty of serfs (helots) either. There was a bunch of other stuff they had to do which would certainly be considered abuse in modern times.

Why not the BA?

Son 0f Dorn wrote:One fist ready to strike your enemies, the other reaching out around to help your brother.

I AM SORRY!!!! Couldn't help myself* after the Greek/Roman reference.

*Yes, yes. I know.