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biccat wrote:

dogma wrote:It seemed like a measured response to me. The skinny kid was throwing punches that were clearly all about showing off (complete with butterfly floating) and the fat kid pulled a move that was also clearly about showing off. Body slams don't really hurt that bad, in general, the skinny kid was staggered because his head bounced off the concrete.

As I recall from my Judo days, it was suggested that "fighting to win" (i.e., Ender Wiggin style) is not a good idea. It's great that you can defend yourself, but try explaining how a couple of slaps earned the other kid a shattered knee cap and broken elbow.

Yea, you're right, the big kid should've just let him keep on antagonising him. Either that or ask him to please stop...I'm sure the little kid would've backed off then.

F That.

Never retaliate...always escalate.

he pulls a knife, you pull a gun...
he sends you to the hospital, you come back and send him to the morgue....

THAT'S the DAKKA way!

biccat wrote:
As I recall from my Judo days, it was suggested that "fighting to win" (i.e., Ender Wiggin style) is not a good idea. It's great that you can defend yourself, but try explaining how a couple of slaps earned the other kid a shattered knee cap and broken elbow.

There's a couple of schools of thought there, but the general consensus among martial artists that I consider to be respectable seems to be that you should only ever fight (outside competition) to win, and that the reality of such violence should dissuade you from fighting at all.

Nah, if someone pulls a knife, you disarm him and make sure he can't for the cops.

In other words, break elbow and knee Everyone knows which way they shouldn't bend, punch/kick/wrench accordingly.

Ahtman wrote:He didn't slap him, he punched him with a closed fist multiple times and show no signs of stopping. The bigger kid picked him up and dropped him once.

I was agreeing with dogma. The big kid did a showy move, he didn't drop him on the ground and curb-stomp him.

dogma wrote:There's a couple of schools of thought there, but the general consensus among martial artists that I consider to be respectable seems to be that you should only ever fight (outside competition) to win, and that the reality of such violence should dissuade you from fighting at all.

Totally agree. Which is why my friend who had a knife pulled on him merely threw the offender down, disarmed him, and waited until the cops showed up. He just as easily broken the guys arm or choked him into unconsciousness and walked away.

biccat wrote:
I was agreeing with dogma. The big kid did a showy move, he didn't drop him on the ground and curb-stomp him.

Or sweep the leg, which is the lowest of low.

In truth, the way to WIN a real fight is to be totally proactive.

Someone simply 'pushes' you with their hand in an assaultive manner, your best bet is a full on assault with fists, holds, your entire repetoire. Noone is going to get a chance to bodily harm ME if I get the jump on them. If they half-ass attack me...they're getting pummeled and probably knocked out before I stop....and yes, after simply pushing me physically....and I'm in Law Enforcement. It's justified.

Assault is assault. If the guy who starts it isnt effective enough with his attack to put you down...he deserves whatever he gets.

Yes I know this is children fighting, but the smaller kid may have learned a very valuable life lesson that day...if he was paying attention.

Soladrin wrote:Nah, if someone pulls a knife, you disarm him and make sure he can't for the cops.

In other words, break elbow and knee Everyone knows which way they shouldn't bend, punch/kick/wrench accordingly.

Wussy. Thats why you'll never conquer the world.
If he pulls a knife, you go full auto. You go Dachshund gangsta style.

Deadshane1 wrote:
Someone simply 'pushes' you with their hand in an assaultive manner, your best bet is a full on assault with fists, holds, your entire repetoire. Noone is going to get a chance to bodily harm ME if I get the jump on them. If they half-ass attack me...they're getting pummeled and probably knocked out before I stop....and yes, after simply pushing me physically....and I'm in Law Enforcement. It's justified.

That may be the case when you're not dealing with someone who has any training, but I've beaten around enough guys is the MMA ring, and tossed more on the wrestling mat, to know that pure aggression isn't a panacea for victory.

I think the funniest part is that I -cannot- for the life of me, figure out how twiggy could be a bully. Kid looks like he'd shatter an elbow just punching something. I've taken craps with more to them than that one. At least in our Highschool, the guys that picked fights were on the Senior (Am) Football and/or Rugby teams. That boy looks like he'd sprain something playing chess!

I have a feeling it has something to do with the kid that steps up after the smaller one gets dropped on his noggin'. He is the main bully and the smaller one is just a satellite bully.

He was acting out and he paid the price.

It's just luck the other guy didn't have a flamethrower with him.

metallifan wrote:I think the funniest part is that I -cannot- for the life of me, figure out how twiggy could be a bully. Kid looks like he'd shatter an elbow just punching something. I've taken craps with more to them than that one. At least in our Highschool, the guys that picked fights were on the Senior (Am) Football and/or Rugby teams. That boy looks like he'd sprain something playing chess!

I remember lots of false bullies in high school that were fighting in a misguided attempt to get with the "in" crowd.

dogma wrote:

biccat wrote:
I was agreeing with dogma. The big kid did a showy move, he didn't drop him on the ground and curb-stomp him.

Or sweep the leg, which is the lowest of low.

I think that's a little unfair because small, skinny kids like me need to use every trick in the book (like cheap shots) just to get an upper hand on the bigger bullies.

That's what flamethrowers are for.

Deadshane1 wrote:Yes I know this is children fighting, but the smaller kid may have learned a very valuable life lesson that day...if he was paying attention.

Little kids never do...... Every single time there was a fight in my school, a little kid started it. Every time, they would get beat down. And then the next week they would start something up again.

Good for the big dude. As long as he doesn't go bully himself, he will go far.

Kilkrazy wrote:That's what flamethrowers are for.

You're only allowed hunting weapons in Canada and I would be at the risk of murder if I did so.

Cheesecat wrote:
I think that's a little unfair because small, skinny kids like me need to use every trick in the book (like cheap shots) just to get an upper hand on the bigger bullies.

Someone hasn't watched enough Karate Kid.

Deadshane1 wrote:Someone simply 'pushes' you with their hand in an assaultive manner, your best bet is a full on assault with fists, holds, your entire repetoire. Noone is going to get a chance to bodily harm ME if I get the jump on them. If they half-ass attack me...they're getting pummeled and probably knocked out before I stop....and yes, after simply pushing me physically....and I'm in Law Enforcement. It's justified.

I find this attitude is common among LE types.

metallifan wrote:I think the funniest part is that I -cannot- for the life of me, figure out how twiggy could be a bully. Kid looks like he'd shatter an elbow just punching something. I've taken craps with more to them than that one. At least in our Highschool, the guys that picked fights were on the Senior (Am) Football and/or Rugby teams. That boy looks like he'd sprain something playing chess!

Had a kid like that in grade school. Except in addition to being short and twiggy, he had MS.

You'd feel real bad for fighting back. And he knew it.

Cheesecat wrote:

dogma wrote:

biccat wrote:
I was agreeing with dogma. The big kid did a showy move, he didn't drop him on the ground and curb-stomp him.

Or sweep the leg, which is the lowest of low.

I think that's a little unfair because small, skinny kids like me need to use every trick in the book (like cheap shots) just to get an upper hand on the bigger bullies.

In that case, balls.

All is fair in war.

Honestly, if someone uses a weapon, all bets are off and I can do anything I want to the guy short of killing him.

Ball shots aren't that effective once the adrenaline gets going. You have to get past causing pain in most fight, and think about causing damage.

Soladrin wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

dogma wrote:

biccat wrote:
I was agreeing with dogma. The big kid did a showy move, he didn't drop him on the ground and curb-stomp him.

Or sweep the leg, which is the lowest of low.

I think that's a little unfair because small, skinny kids like me need to use every trick in the book (like cheap shots) just to get an upper hand on the bigger bullies.

In that case, balls.

All is fair in war.

Honestly, if someone uses a weapon, all bets are off and I can do anything I want to the guy short of killing him.

That's how I feel I'll use anything in a fight crotch shots, attacking when back is turned, kicking sand in eyes, hitting while they're down, biting, using elbows, anything to make sure they don't get the upper

hand, yeah I'm a dirty fighter.

In non-competitve fights i.e. street fights all bets are off. The guy thinks there is some non-existent code of honor is the one that will lose, often more than a wallet. A real fight is no joke. I've seen people get run over and stabbed through the chest. You don't screw around, you drop them and get the hell away.

Kilkrazy wrote:That's what flamethrowers are for.

I for one welcome our new flame thrower wielding overlords.


Ooh lost footage of Killkrazy getting ready for elementary school:

I approve of the retaliation. That is all.

Oh and it's total that the kid defending himself is getting sued. That as messed up than the burglar sueing the owners of the house he broke into.

If I had been the skinny kid's family, I would have also sued.

dogma wrote:If I had been the skinny kid's family, I would have also sued.

Being a skinny wimp myself I would have had a talk to him, about not provoking people who are bigger and most likely stronger than you.

dogma wrote:If I had been the skinny kid's family, I would have also sued.

If you had watched the tape, you would have dropped the charges, due to a little known phenomenon called "Self Defense".

dogma wrote:If I had been the skinny kid's family, I would have also sued.

Fair enough. I'd stil call you an for it though.

dogma wrote:If I had been the skinny kid's family, I would have also sued.

If I were both families I would sue the school, and the tall girl for causing self-esteem issues to the third guy.