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Points that will stand out in Court...
The smaller kid was clearly the agressor.
The bigger kid takes a defensive posture.
The smaller one lands several blows.
The bigger kid backs off after his actions.

Also... Some-one off camera is encouraging the smaller kid.

Just based on the video evidence..... it was self defense.

blackclaw1 wrote:Little snippet of info gleamed from 4chan , the small boy had his ankle broken or fracture , large kids getting sued which is obscene as he started the whole thing.

Whoa, that's real life victim blaming right there.

I think the little satellite bully learned his lesson. Will he ever play footy again?

Fat kid went home to paint his Angry Marines.

Kilkrazy wrote:

dogma wrote:If I had been the skinny kid's family, I would have also sued.

If I were both families I would sue the school, and the tall girl for causing self-esteem issues to the third guy.

If I was the skinny guy, I would sue myself for fighting -and losing-.

Khornholio wrote:I think the little satellite bully learned his lesson. Will he ever play footy again?

Fat kid went home to paint his Angry Marines.

Khornholio wrote:I think the little satellite bully learned his lesson. Will he ever play footy again?

Fat kid went home to paint his Angry Marines.

Either that or get laid by that tall girl. (also did anyone else notice that the porker and the girl had different shirts than the bullies maybe, they're from a different school or it's now mandatory for bullies to wear

different apparel in Britain)

That fat kid is my little pudgy hero!!

Chowderhead wrote:
If you had watched the tape, you would have dropped the charges, due to a little known phenomenon called "Self Defense".

Nope, why do that when there is money to be made?

Just for the record Casey (the big kid) got suspended for 4 days as is the schools behavioural plan policy on fighting, sucks but I guess that's how they roll. The drip on the other hand was suspended for 20 days, apparently his folks are talking about suing but I think if they have any smarts what so ever they will back away from that idea.

also the drip doesn't have a broken ankle or anything like that, he popped his knee but that was it.. so he is medically fine... pity... If anyone should sue it should be Casey suing the education department and his school for failing to provide him a safe learning environment as it's been stated repeatedly Casey has taken years of bullying and abuse at school.

dogma wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:
If you had watched the tape, you would have dropped the charges, due to a little known phenomenon called "Self Defense".

Nope, why do that when there is money to be made?

This was a tad uncomfortable to watch, but then...

PILE DRIVER!

FETH YEAH! YOU SKINNY BITCH! EAT IT. EAAAAAAAAAAAAT IT.

*ahem*

It would have been so much better if the big kid had leathered him when he was crawling away.

As for schools saying 'Don't hit back', did anyones parents ever share those sentiments? I was told, hit them back as hard as you can. Easier said than done though.

Good on him.

As for schools saying 'Don't hit back', did anyones parents ever share those sentiments?

Yes, mine, because my the staff at my schools had their heads so far up their own arses that it'd take a bloody good surgeon to get 'em out.

Generally, if you hit back, you would be punished 'cos the aggressor would run back and tell the most senior person they could find whilst their friends held you back, and as per usual, nobody saw anything apart from the bully's friends, who saw the victim leathering the bully for XYZ reason.

Even in verbal bullying, you'd get a raw deal as the victim. I reported something and wanted to remain completely anonymous, so what happens? I'm called to the staff office to meet with the bullies, they'd give a half-arsed "sorry" and i'd be forced to accept it, shake hands and be on my merry way. Never in the history of forever has that EVER helped anything.

Bully 1 - "Who do you reckon told on us?"
*I walk in*
Bully 1 to Bully 2 - "Bully him some more when we get out of here?"
Bully 2 - "Of course."

EDIT: Also missed out on racist bullying. No, not bullying someone because of their race, using race or religious beliefs as a shield against retaliation. Schools also see the race card before it's pulled and strive to avoid conflict on racial grounds. So when someone of a different belief to my own bit my ear in primary school, what happened? He got slapped the wrist and got told not to do it again. If it'd been the other way around? I'd have been expelled faster than you can say 'OMGRACIST!'.

My brother was also excluded thanks to a conflict with the same guy, where the guy kept insulting him in arabic and telling people around him what it meant and how to say it, so my brother snaps, makes a racist insult and gets the gakky end of the stick. The aggressor? His parents got involved and all hell broke loose; consequently, he avoid any punishment.

well... it seemed the smaller kid deserved it. I'm just curious why they couldn't talk it out : )

I watched it again and was thinking how ace it would've been if the little turd's buddy had actually pushed the Fat Kid and the Fat Kid gave him a Stone Cold Stunner.

Fat Kid should wear his suspension notice like an F'n medal.

Andrew1975 wrote:Completely justified. Doesn't he know you have to get the fat kid winded first by running around a bit.

As a former fat kid and currently fat man (LOL), I have to tell you that I got a kick out of that comment.

Obviously, however, you did not pay attention. He tried to wind the kid. He danced around, trying to be a moving target. He learned the hard way, though, that just because we're fat doesn't mean we're not FAST. We ARe fast (in very, very small doses). We move slowly because we're conserving energy for times like this, when we need to strike like a viper.

...a fat little viper trying to get a twinkie colored mouse...


Eric

I really hate the idea of courts getting involved in this at all.

Kids do gak, and it teaches them lessons. Schools should be safer environments for victims of bullying, but dragging the courts in won't change that. Especially not in this case, where the donkey-cave got what was coming to him.

My theory on bullying is this:
DO NOT start physical altercations. You DO NOT EVER take the first swing... but you take the last one.
Someone starts something with you, you end it.

It's worked for my kids thus far.

Eric

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Is it bad right when he picked him up, all I head was

Yeh, but when the skinny kid got back up and was limping around. It's not called a fatality for nothing.
If the skinny kid learns from this he won't bully anyone else, at least for a while. Hopefully it's the wake up call idiots like him need and he will learn from it properly.
Who knows next fat kid might be able to pull off Zangief's Ultra.

Of course he might just wait until he heals up then try going at the fat kid with a knife or something... >_>

MagickalMemories wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:Completely justified. Doesn't he know you have to get the fat kid winded first by running around a bit.

As a former fat kid and currently fat man (LOL), I have to tell you that I got a kick out of that comment.

Obviously, however, you did not pay attention. He tried to wind the kid. He danced around, trying to be a moving target. He learned the hard way, though, that just because we're fat doesn't mean we're not FAST. We ARe fast (in very, very small doses). We move slowly because we're conserving energy for times like this, when we need to strike like a viper.

...a fat little viper trying to get a twinkie colored mouse...


Eric

Winning!

I used to wrestle and one night at a party I wrestled this giant fat kid for fun, no malice involved on either end. I thought I would just kill him. Don't be fooled fat people are strong (not fast) He just smothered me until I was too tired to move. Eventually I won, but god did we smell after that.

Chowderhead wrote:

Someone Photoshop their respective faces into this, NAO!

Andrew1975 wrote:Winning!

I used to wrestle and one night at a party I wrestled this giant fat kid for fun, no malice involved on either end. I thought I would just kill him. Don't be fooled fat people are strong (not fast) He just smothered me until I was too tired to move. Eventually I won, but god did we smell after that.

: )
We've got to be strong. It takes a lot of muscle to heft around all this girth! : )
I meant it about being fast, though. For short bursts, we are. Like... really... Mostly, it's fast reaction time, though. S'hard toget our bulk moving at a fast run.

Typically, if we get our hands on you, we're going to do some damage... as evidenced on yonder video. : )


Eric

Andrew1975 wrote:
Winning!

I used to wrestle and one night at a party I wrestled this giant fat kid for fun, no malice involved on either end. I thought I would just kill him. Don't be fooled fat people are strong (not fast) He just smothered me until I was too tired to move. Eventually I won, but god did we smell after that.

I wrestled 275 in high school at an average weight of 205. A good chunk of my athletic career was based on what you're describing.

Anyway, the trick is to keep them from getting on top of you.

dogma wrote:
Anyway, the trick is to keep them from getting on top of you.

Intended Commentary seen as redundant.

Anyway, here's hoping the body slam was enough to make it stop.

An escalation would be disappointing.

Chowderhead wrote:

dogma wrote:If I had been the skinny kid's family, I would have also sued.

If you had watched the tape, you would have dropped the charges, due to a little known phenomenon called "Self Defense".

Yea, self defence doesn't work that way.

You can only self defence in the same way/ severness as your agressor.

Example: you get slapped, the worst thing you can do is slap back.

In the vid. he gets punched a few times, to be counted as self defence he should have fought back with a fist-fight. Not throwing him on the ground and breaking his ankle. This act was of greater consequence then the attackers. Therefore it doesn't count as self-defence but its a new physical assault that he did. (So no i claim self defence, because his actions where not in comparison with that of his assailant.)

Now before i get quoted:

The law never meant to be fair, it exists to bring order and structure in society. To create frames we can operate in, and can live next to each others. These laws however where made by people and most have the same general idea about how to react to for example to a murder. If someone kills another guy, he gets to jail. This lead the people to think that the law is fair, while it never was it intention to be fair.

Honestly, it probably would have been more damaging had he punched him. Fat people can put a lot of mass, and therefore force, behind their strikes; just look at Butterbean, or Roy Nelson.

sillyboy wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

dogma wrote:If I had been the skinny kid's family, I would have also sued.

If you had watched the tape, you would have dropped the charges, due to a little known phenomenon called "Self Defense".

Yea, self defence doesn't work that way.

You can only self defence in the same way/ severness as your agressor.

Example: you get slapped, the worst thing you can do is slap back.

In the vid. he gets punched a few times, to be counted as self defence he should have fought back with a fist-fight. Not throwing him on the ground and breaking his ankle. This act was of greater consequence then the attackers. Therefore it doesn't count as self-defence but its a new physical assault that he did. (So no i claim self defence, because his actions where not in comparison with that of his assailant.)

That isn't the standard. There is a level of force that is unacceptable but self defense isn't "I do as you do". If a guy threatens to beat you up you can't pull a pistol and shoot them, but you are allowed to fight back if you feel sufficiently threatened and don't see a reasonable way out.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the law is designed for fairness.

Also you write that he broke his ankle as if that was an intentional thing, as though he tossed him on the ground and he then stomped on his ankle.

Ahtman wrote:
Also you write that he broke his ankle as if that was an intentional thing, as though he tossed him on the ground and he then stomped on his ankle.

This is a key point. The fat kid clearly didn't know what he was doing. As both biccat and myself earlier alluded to, had he wanted to hurt him badly, and known what he was doing, he would have taken a very, very different action.

I thought that 'self defence' worked that way; a person puts up his dukes and the other pulls out a gun isn't self defense, but if one engages in fisticuffs the other can break the other man's jaw in self defense as long as he doesn't kick him when he's down.

In this case the fat kid used his power to lift the skinny kid up and slam him, the skinny kid's leg hit what looked like a curb or something which probably broke the kid's ankle. To argue though, the skinny kid had a higher chance of breaking something because his bones aren't as padded as the fat kids'.

I hate the fact that both kids were suspended, the skinny kid is clearly the bully and the fat kid just had enough. How many movies are out that would call the fat kid a hero, and here we are punishing him. We romanticize the victim standing up to the bully, but heaven's forbid should we praise the kid in real life.

I say the skinny kid got what he deserved and we should praise what the fat kid did and criticize the school.

I remember my first time fighting, I just got tired of it all and when the kid's first fist hit me I snapped. He ended up with a broken nose, busted lip, 'Vans' stamped on his forehead, and a couple bruises by the time our fight was done. He broke my glasses and gave me a black eye, but I beat him with his own shoe. Its funny though, I was a fat kid and the guy I beat up was also a skinny guy. I hope that the boost of confidence I got after my fight occurs in the fat kid as well.


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dogma wrote:Honestly, it probably would have been more damaging had he punched him. Fat people can put a lot of mass, and therefore force, behind their strikes; just look at Butterbean, or Roy Nelson.

You have to kno how to fight though and most kids don't learn physics in elementary school.

*speed x mass= kick somebody's arse.

sillyboy wrote:Yea, self defence doesn't work that way.

You can only self defence in the same way/ severness as your agressor.

Example: you get slapped, the worst thing you can do is slap back.

The specifics really depend on the legal jurisdiction. Even then, I don't know about any jurisdiction that's bothered to go down to the nitty gritty of comparing slaps against bodyslams, mostly the principal is kept very broad, physical violence is acceptable against physical threat, lethal violence against a lethal threat.


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halonachos wrote:I hate the fact that both kids were suspended, the skinny kid is clearly the bully and the fat kid just had enough. How many movies are out that would call the fat kid a hero, and here we are punishing him. We romanticize the victim standing up to the bully, but heaven's forbid should we praise the kid in real life.

I'm more puzzled at the idea of suspension being thought of as a punishment. By my way of thinking, this kid owned an annoying prat, got called awesome by the whole world for doing so, and got a couple of weeks off school to play X-Box.

halonachos wrote:
You have to kno how to fight though....

Yes and no. Yes, knowing how to fight will give you the win when faced with someone of equivalent size, and less knowledge; at least most of the time. But, there are limits to this. For example, Jet Li isn't going to kick the prodigious buttocks of Larry Allen even though Larry Allen doesn't really know how to fight (as far as I know).