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BrotherStgAdam wrote:What I find strange is the rules for these guys. Apparently they have shooting options to fire as lascannons and plasma weapons ect....how is that WYSIWYG?

Is pointing a monkey finger considered a weapon now?

Yes, please read the background material that was written before you were born.

I am totally going to paint my Jokaeros with a ET finger, just because of that quote.

Oh thats so wrong building a monkey pointing an ET finger, Oh so wrong. But thank for the idea, now I can't wait to get one and build it.

I don't understand how the Lascannon or Multi-Melta or heavy flamer thing works. Is it a wargear option sort of thing, or is it like "roll D6. On a 1 or 2 you get a heavy flamer, on a 3 or 4 you get etc...for the rest of the turn"?

this just show that fiiainnly gw is running out of ideas

SilverMK2 wrote:
And regards how they came up with the concept? Perhaps they watched the Planet of the Apes?

I would guess someone at GW read the novel The Mote in God's Eye. The Jokaero are identical, in concept if not necessarily appearance, to the Motie Engineers in that novel: "idiot savants [who] communicate very little but are geniuses when it comes to anything mechanical or electrical. They can build, modify, or repair almost anything with great speed and competency." In the novel, the sailors from "The Empire of Man" bring one of these engineers aboard and he goes about customizing all the marines' sidearms among other things.

NWansbutter wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:And regards how they came up with the concept? Perhaps they watched the Planet of the Apes?

I would guess someone at GW read the novel The Mote in God's Eye. The Jokaero are identical, in concept if not necessarily appearance, to the Motie Engineers in that novel: "idiot savants [who] communicate very little but are geniuses when it comes to anything mechanical or electrical. They can build, modify, or repair almost anything with great speed and competency." In the novel, the sailors from "The Empire of Man" bring one of these engineers aboard and he goes about customizing all the marines' sidearms among other things.

Entirely plausible. Very little (read: nothing) in the 40k fluff is "original" even in the sense that it had not been done before. Most everything GW has written is direct inspiration from other works, stories, or ideas. Granted, most all of their "inspirations" are now considered anachronisms to the current generation. So I find GW's fervent protection of their plagerisms to be highly hypocritical, however entirely expected of a money making business.

PraetorDave wrote:I don't understand how the Lascannon or Multi-Melta or heavy flamer thing works. Is it a wargear option sort of thing, or is it like "roll D6. On a 1 or 2 you get a heavy flamer, on a 3 or 4 you get etc...for the rest of the turn"?

Think Chaos Obliterator.

I have a question, why would humans hate the ape thing wouldn't they sort of be distant cousins us being related to similar creatures

Skylifter wrote:Am I the only one who thinks it might be GW poking fun at Terry Pratchett's Librarian from Unseen University? I mean... a guy looking like an orang-utan, who is only half-sentient, but impressively knowledgeable does sound like there are a few similarities. And then that orange colour scheme, too.

As for the issue of fluffyness, I think xenos fighting for ordo xenos is just the O-X way of being radical.

Exactly the reason I'm wanting to use MicroArtStudio's DiscWorld Librarian as a 'counts-as' Jokaero

NWansbutter wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:
And regards how they came up with the concept? Perhaps they watched the Planet of the Apes?

I would guess someone at GW read the novel The Mote in God's Eye. The Jokaero are identical, in concept if not necessarily appearance, to the Motie Engineers in that novel: "idiot savants [who] communicate very little but are geniuses when it comes to anything mechanical or electrical. They can build, modify, or repair almost anything with great speed and competency." In the novel, the sailors from "The Empire of Man" bring one of these engineers aboard and he goes about customizing all the marines' sidearms among other things.

I love you so much right now.

Sckeetch wrote:

Skylifter wrote:Am I the only one who thinks it might be GW poking fun at Terry Pratchett's Librarian from Unseen University? I mean... a guy looking like an orang-utan, who is only half-sentient, but impressively knowledgeable does sound like there are a few similarities. And then that orange colour scheme, too.

As for the issue of fluffyness, I think xenos fighting for ordo xenos is just the O-X way of being radical.

Exactly the reason I'm wanting to use MicroArtStudio's DiscWorld Librarian as a 'counts-as' Jokaero

Oh, nice idea. I probably won't collect Inquisition, but if I should, I'll do that, too. Ook!

I think it's great that GW releases models like this. Diversity and diversion are key to keeping us buying figs.

However, I could think of many, many more figures that should be made or redone to satisfy long-time fans.

Ah well.

PraetorDave wrote:I don't understand how the Lascannon or Multi-Melta or heavy flamer thing works. Is it a wargear option sort of thing, or is it like "roll D6. On a 1 or 2 you get a heavy flamer, on a 3 or 4 you get etc...for the rest of the turn"?

The nobbly bits on his fingers are weapons. Very, very powerful weapons. He has a variety of them and can choose which to fire each turn.

Necroshea wrote: Better yet, I'd rather take a pack of dogs with mini servo harnesses for count as models. That would be neat.

Awesome. WE3?

Skylifter wrote:Am I the only one who thinks it might be GW poking fun at Terry Pratchett's Librarian from Unseen University? I mean... a guy looking like an orang-utan, who is only half-sentient, but impressively knowledgeable does sound like there are a few similarities.

Quite possible, the first 6 or so discworld books were out during the time that 40K was being created.

Monkey's + lascannons = awesome

Its just.....space monkeys....but not even that, Grey Knight space monkeys, my concept of Wh40k is out the window right now. I might as well buy obliterators, and paint them all good like with Inquisitional markings.

Theres nothing wrong with Jokaero. Sure, the concept may be odd; but its a Xeno race. It doesn't matter. I'm pleased they are back.

They are not for Grey Knights; they are for Ordo Xenos.

And if Jokaero being a unit for Ordo Xenos (when theres no other choice) then Daemonhost are just as bad IF NOT WORSE. (Trusting a daemon? seriously? Even a Xenos is less destructive than a Daemon)

Yak9UT wrote:This a rather weird model to be released by GW.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=&prodId=prod1140066a




It makes me wonder how GW think up of this stuff.

I know someone who will try to make an ENTIRE army of space orangetans...

anyway, it looks funny, i had read some things about Jokaero in the inquisition novels...

Well, given that the Ordo Xenos even formed the Coven of Isha with Eldrad, I don't think them working with Xenos is too out there. That being said, I can't help but laugh my head off at the model. It's not that it's a bad sculpt...but it's just...so...crazy...that I can't help but laugh.

xlightscreen wrote:Its just.....space monkeys....but not even that, Grey Knight space monkeys, my concept of Wh40k is out the window right now. I might as well buy obliterators, and paint them all good like with Inquisitional markings.

My concept of 40k went out the window the second we got a three-nippled gorilla! XD

Platuan4th wrote:

NWansbutter wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:
And regards how they came up with the concept? Perhaps they watched the Planet of the Apes?

I would guess someone at GW read the novel The Mote in God's Eye. The Jokaero are identical, in concept if not necessarily appearance, to the Motie Engineers in that novel: "idiot savants [who] communicate very little but are geniuses when it comes to anything mechanical or electrical. They can build, modify, or repair almost anything with great speed and competency." In the novel, the sailors from "The Empire of Man" bring one of these engineers aboard and he goes about customizing all the marines' sidearms among other things.

I love you so much right now.

Right there with you guys! I read that too!

I don't know whats crazier:

That they actually did a Jokaero, or
I have been in the hobby so long I remember it from my teenage years as cool...

For those of you who don't get it realize this was a recurring idea from the original game in... 198? 5 or 9 maybe? Where Jokaero Digital Weapons were a wargear artifact that inquistors and high ranking imperial officials of all kinds could have! Warhammer 40k in those days wasn't really a table top wargame like it is now but instead a sort of running narrative roleplay/skirmish set of rules.

The Jokaero were hinted at but never explained or drawn. In truth, I think they made them (Jokaero and their digital high tech weapons) as a convenient plot device, to explain how a model w/o a weapon could actully have one as a digital weapon'. It was suppose to be a tiny version of bigger thing, hence if you had a digital lascannon it would be smaller than a well, regular one! This way you could upgrade a character to have some other weapon in the story and just 'say' it was in a ring, and not have to pretend as much. In thoise days there were almost NO PLASTIC MODELS and just getting even one lascannon guy was really hard!

You'd have to be old enough to remember VCRs or walkmans as new to have any idea why they would have called it a 'digital weapon'. Pretty much because digital stuff, radios and home electronics were coming onto the scene and it sounded high tech back then, now 'digital weapons' sounds, well, yea...

They made appearances (the weapons, not the Jokaero) many times, in Necromunda, in 40k as well since then. As fas as I know they have never made a model ever. It's incredibly nostalgic that they revisited this concept out of the blue for a long time player.

If you think it's weird, sorry, but it's actually not, it's an homage to the roots of the game.

Honestly, so is the clawed fiend in the Dark Eldar line. A lot of people think it doesn't fit, but it's actually a refinement of a concept originally published from a Jes Goodwin sketch I think in the 90s (maybe), and I think in the Original Rogue Trader book where aliens are described! Those sketches gave birth to Kroot and Genestealers and Tyranids as well!

Check it out if your interested it's go to be out there on the interweb somewhere! Or better yet find a Warhammer guy with gray hair and ask him about it, try and see if someone has a copy of the old Rogue Trader Hardback!

Sckeetch wrote:

Skylifter wrote:Am I the only one who thinks it might be GW poking fun at Terry Pratchett's Librarian from Unseen University? I mean... a guy looking like an orang-utan, who is only half-sentient, but impressively knowledgeable does sound like there are a few similarities. And then that orange colour scheme, too.

As for the issue of fluffyness, I think xenos fighting for ordo xenos is just the O-X way of being radical.

Exactly the reason I'm wanting to use MicroArtStudio's DiscWorld Librarian as a 'counts-as' Jokaero

but saying this the modle has been around since the 80s so it isent really new.

Thank you, Skylifter and Sckeetch!

Good to know there are Discworld devotees amongst the Dakkaites.

I wonder if they will now say that Jokaero used to be a human?!

NashVentress wrote:Thank you, Skylifter and Sckeetch!

Good to know there are Discworld devotees amongst the Dakkaites.

I wonder if they will now say that Jokaero used to be a human?!

isent that the mnkey that was in that terry prachet movie show on sky ages ago?

I think the sculpt is good, but I wouldn't want to use it for 40k.

Don't say the "M"-word!!

Steelmage99 wrote:Don't say the "M"-word!!

Whats the m-word is it me?!?!

Augustus wrote:They made appearances (the weapons, not the Jokaero) many times, in Necromunda, in 40k as well since then. As fas as I know they have never made a model ever. It's incredibly nostalgic that they revisited this concept out of the blue for a long time player.

If you think it's weird, sorry, but it's actually not, it's an homage to the roots of the game.

The Jokaero certainly featured in the RT book but only got a description which is as the model appears, an orange-furred orangutan.

A model was released though in limited quantities in a blister with the grinx and death ferret, they appear very occasionally on eBay.
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Misc_40K_-_Limited_Release