Ergonomics in the Grimdark

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**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

But if everyone had a PI Number it would always be 3.141

**seejay**

Lol.

That's the thing that really annoys me about it. There's not a better way to say it.

I'm currently studying for an electrical qualification, and we had a whole day devoted to "PAT testing". It's the same thing. It annoys me that it's a tautology, but it annoys me much mroe that I can't find a better way to say it.

Anyway, thread derailing.

Power armour is utterly ridiculous if you try to scale it up to real world proportions. But so are all 40K minatures. They're like 5 heads high, in real life only small children are 5 heads in height. Try to imagine it, it's funny, especially since SM are supposed to be like 8ft tall. They would be like wobbly-heads and would need some kind of special support to hold their enormous craniums up. (maybe that's what the power armour is for...)

Oh, and the physics of a power fist has never really been fully explained. How does wearing a big f***ing metal glove allow you to punch harder? Physics fail.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Never really thought much about power fists but now you mention it!

The one thing that has given me pause for thought is how does a commissar get his jacket on?
How does he re load his bolt pistol?

and with this dude, he also has the problem of page turning. A nid's not gonna hang around while he fumbles around with these things.

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ps going to the loo must be a pain in the grimdark.

**GeckoOBac**

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Never really thought much about power fists but now you mention it!

The one thing that has given me pause for thought is how does a commissar get his jacket on?
How does he re load his bolt pistol?

and with this dude, he also has the problem of page turning. A nid's not gonna hang around while he fumbles around with these things.

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ps going to the loo must be a pain in the grimdark.

Especially if you think that SM *spit* is a strong acid that melts metal... I wonder what their poo is...

**Fafnir**

GeckoOBac wrote:
Especially if you think that SM *spit* is a strong acid that melts metal... I wonder what their poo is...

What do you think fuels a flamer?

**seejay**

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:The one thing that has given me pause for thought is how does a commissar get his jacket on?
How does he re load his bolt pistol?

and with this dude, he also has the problem of page turning. A nid's not gonna hang around while he fumbles around with these things.

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ps going to the loo must be a pain in the grimdark.

"And the emperor did say unto the heretics, yea, though you may walk in the darkness, the cleansing fire of purity will purge your souls..."

*pauses to turn page*

*rip smoosh*

"Oh, um.... congregation dismissed."

**Leigen_Zero**

In the grim darkness of the far future... there is no time for your bad posture and carpal tunnels!

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

See this chap would be bashing the inside of the leg armour with every step he takes.
That would really get on my nerves.

I reckon SM's don't walk.
Bunny hops are the way to get around in the 41st millenium

**Fafnir**

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

See this chap would be bashing the inside of the leg armour with every step he takes.
That would really get on my nerves.

I reckon SM's son't walk.
Bunny hops are the way to get around in the 41st millenium

Actually, judging by the proprotions in that picture, looking at the leg, he doesn't even have a crotch.

What's more, why is his left arm freaking HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE?

Good god, the proportions for the Grey Knight artwork are almost as bad as the proportions in the PAGK kit.

**Nicorex**

asimo77 wrote: Hell if you just trip and fall on to your kabalite friend chances are his cod pice would impale you.

Not that they would mind.... hahahaha

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

How do nids build stuff like their space ships?

Is it made out of nid spit and chewed up metal a bit loke wasps build their nests?
Not a nid player so not familiar with the fluff.

Slapped wrist for anyone that suggests that Mat Ward says they buy their kit from Imperium

**Viktor von Domm**

they breed... their ships are living organisms and they let their smaller kins live inside them and travel around with them... anybody feel the urge to say urghhh say urghhh....

urghhh...

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Urrrghhhh
but with plenty more rgh's

Thanks Vik. That is suitable creepy for the crawlies. Was thinking that their ships maybe some sort of sentient being

Hang on
how do they navigate through space
survive in conditions 3 degC above absolute zero and provide a viable habitat for their swarms?
guess I need to go visit google

**MechaEmperor7000**

It could be they have some sort of biosphere within the hive ships and the energy comes from the resources they siphon from planets. Given that even relatively *small* tyranid organisms like the Carnifex has reinforced armor comparable to that of a MTB's armor, it's not entirely improbable that the carapace of hive ships are so thick that they insulate the innards of the creature and prevent heat loss.

Tyranids in general however should not exist, as any creature even close to the size of one of their biotitans would collapse under it's own weight.

**Viktor von Domm**

yeah well they have some fancy genetic tuning as well... al crafted to be like they are shown... it is really wishfull thinking and fluffwise it works the way that they have bones light and durable enough to support the bulk of such an enormus body... but taken into account that they even have warpflying capable nids everything else is just minor childsplay i would guess...

given that they have a living being that acts like a winged aircarrier the harridan:

that can carry i guess about 20 (?) gargoyles with them... who would ask for realism? its like the famous S.H.I.E.L.D carrier for nids...

**MechaEmperor7000**

This is also the same universe with Chainaxes and Orks, so the nid's little biological booboos are microscopic in comparison. Sometimes I'm actually more freaked out by what they got RIGHT rather than what they got wrong. Case in point: I still cant look a biovore straight in the face.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Nids have boobs?
oh sorry my bad ! best not get into that chestnut

Interesting. Was aware of the weight thing all things being equal.
I also wonder about the bugs in Starship Trooper and how the ecology supported the bugs
Maybe I missed something like underground flora and grazing bugs being farmed like some ants do with fungi and whichever insect lives on that stuff. iirc

**Viktor von Domm**

also wonder about the bugs in Starship Trooper and how the ecology supported the bugs
Maybe I missed something like underground flora and grazing bugs being farmed like some ants do with fungi and whichever insect lives on that stuff. iirc

...
funny thats waht i thought too...why evolve a bug that farts hot plasma to the skys to knock down human spaceships... what could nature have been up to to have these monstroseties a reason to breed for even one second? wher is the ultimate benefit in having super hot winds?

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

lol
I dunno Vik
Plenty of Saturday mornings are like that in the UK after a Friday niight binge of 15 lagers and a Vindaloo curry!

**Viktor von Domm**

i ever read that vindaloo in a terry pratchett book... what exactly is that? he described it as some kind of curry meal...

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

It is a curry made out of napalm and molten lava.

Really unbrearably spicy hot only eaten by blokes trying to prove they are very hard and you need 15 lagers to numb the senses. or Homer in that episode of the Simpsons with the mega hot chilli

I only ever ordered one one not knowing what it was. Not pleasant and barely touched it.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Nids have boobs?
oh sorry my bad ! best not get into that chestnut

Spoiler:

Also, on the subject of weird evolution: 40K has the Barking Toad, which explodes when it gets startled. How the hell was that a necessary survival trait?

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Know plenty of blokes who scoff a vindaloo after 15 pints of lager that fit that description Mecha!

Barking toads

love it
Just when you thought the Grimdark just couldn't get any worse.
Look on the bright side, they either have to evolve out of that trait very quickly or they won't see the 42nd Millenium.

**Viktor von Domm**

How the hell was that a necessary survival trait?

one has to think not for the individual but for the species population... as startled and already eaten toad would ruin the appetite of any future predator for toads...terminally...

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well most toads that live in the 41st millenium wont anyway as the avaerage toad is a short living creature^^

**MechaEmperor7000**

They're slowly being scared out of existence.

**Viktor von Domm**

the toads or their predators?^^

**MechaEmperor7000**

Both.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

lol

You do realise I will never be able to eat toad in the hole ever again.

**Mr Nobody**

You know how at first glance, the dreadnought seems almost incapable of moving? I prove you wrong.

**Dark**

Oh wow xD

That dancing dreadnought is amazing.