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And jab, your math is a little off. Assuming B4, then:

54 Bolter shots per wound on Mephiston, but only 1.8 Lascannon shots per wound (so 9 lascannons to kill him, not very hard for competitive lists to muster that kinda shooting)

Sanguinor is 18 bolter shots per wound, and 5.4 Lascannon shots per wound.



Sanguinor is more of a scalpal, whilst Mephiston is a Hammer. Sanguinor is a great HQ assassin, and provides usefull buffs to the army, while Mephiston runs around and roflstomps anything with his str 10. Point for point, Mephiston is unarguably better though.

Jackal wrote:

If you want to resort to insults, go for it, ive been called worse.

Now, for the biggest flaw in your logic?
You want a character taken in a DoA list that does not have DoA.

I am incapable of self control and following simple rules !

Jabbdo wrote:Mephiston, always.

Mephiston is THE THING for BA. Every build benefits from him, whether you go mech, jumper, dual rock, or DoA (the only real 4 builds). Admittedly, DoA benefits the least from him, but still more than what your basic Libby will bring.

Which is it?
1st you say he is better than a libby and still great, but now its the other way?
Make your mind up, then post again please.

also, keepon insulting young onw.

scubasteve04 wrote:And jab, your math is a little off. Assuming B4, then:

54 Bolter shots per wound on Mephiston, but only 1.8 Lascannon shots per wound (so 9 lascannons to kill him, not very hard for competitive lists to muster that kinda shooting)

Sanguinor is 18 bolter shots per wound, and 5.4 Lascannon shots per wound.

What?

2+ to wound, so 1.2 hits needed. assuming bs4, 1.8 shots needed. Then a 4+ cover save, 3.6 shots per wound needed.

If he doesnt have cover, then you're playing him wrong.

My Sanguinor math was correct, right?

Failed at sang math, fixed.

So, your using a model thats JI to move into cover?
Enjoy the result of that.


Your math needs work though, scuba's was pretty spot on.

As I said, fixed. The only error was Sang against bolters, forgot to stick in the to hit math

Yeah, Meph wants a cover save. You dont even need to put him in cover, as long as his left toe is behind a tiny rock he gets a 4+.

So how do you assault units?
If your running an army that plans on shooting you will be sat back in cover making use of open areas infront of you.

In which case meth has to slog through rounds to get to them, which leaves him open.

Jackal wrote:So how do you assault units?
If your running an army that plans on shooting you will be sat back in cover making use of open areas infront of you.

In which case meth has to slog through rounds to get to them, which leaves him open.

What do you mean by this exactly? That I'm running an army that shoots? If its a mech army then they go into midfield anyways, and Meph will hide behind a rhino or something.

I like to see Mephiston in mechanized force.
But there are no ways of fielding him in DOA army.


What do you think of taking both Sanguinor and Dante?


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Thanks a lot for your help guys!

I decided to run Dante and A librarian in my Blood Angels list

Very good friend of mine plays DoA and he ALWAYS fields Dante and a Libby. He usually plays 2 priests, 2 assault squads, 1 Sanguinary guard squad and a couple VV squads. It is a hard army to play correctly but can put out some very good results when you figure it out.

Good luck!

At 2000 points the Sanguinor and Dante are the best combination for your HQ choices. I use them both and they never fail to do amazing things.

Afrikan Blonde wrote:At 2000 points the Sanguinor and Dante are the best combination for your HQ choices. I use them both and they never fail to do amazing things.

I like your idea but isnt it just too expensive. You pay more than 500pts for your HQ

Dante and the Sanguinor together are the perfect force multipliers for a DoA army, and that's exactly what they were both designed to do. Often overlooked but Dante making Sanguinary Guard count as a troop choice is really good. I often run them both, but always the Sanguinor.

Date and sanguinor are a pretty nasty combo when used together.



Dante as he stands isnt too bad.
His death mask means thier strongest character just got cut down quite a bit.
throw a unit of sang guard with him to start with.
Throw a chapter banner on them for the extra attack and re-rolls on morale and pinning. (30 points, but well spent)

Keep sanguinor behind them for a mobile cover and for multi-assaulting units.
He boosts thier attacks by a further 1.

So, you now have 1 strong character, 1 beast of a character and 5 sang guard with 5 attacks each on the assault.


However, they do eat points and quickly.
In 2,500 i usually run those plus a sang priest to boost things even more.




The unit its self is a pretty hard hitting hammer.
It can also take a pretty heavy beating in return.
About the only thing you struggle with however is armour, which you should either take a fist for, or ignore it and let another unit kill it. (make sure you avoid walkers at all costs)

Jackal wrote:
The unit its self is a pretty hard hitting hammer.
It can also take a pretty heavy beating in return.
About the only thing you struggle with however is armour

Forgive me, but I was under the impression that Sang guard lack invuns? So yeah they're gonna hit like a ton of bricks but against high I models and other power weapon packing units, they're gonna take quite a mauling.

(forgive me if you say you'd avoid such units with them, I play Daemons now primairly and I have often played against DoA angels where I just love Slaanesh units)

I've played with both Sanguinor (or the Sanguinator as they call him at my local GW) and Mephiston and have to say I've had more luck with the Sangunor.

I'm not as clued up as many of the others who have posted just going by exp.

Zid wrote:Pure DoA? Librarians w/ JP's. the 5+ covers a great boon

Force Multiplier>Combat monster

#1 choice is the librarian with JP for the 5+ cover. I always take unleash rage as the 2nd power.

#2 choice is the librarian + the Sanguinor for his +1 attack bubble, but the Sanguinor is hard to fit into 2k.