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nosferatu1001 wrote:

Jidmah wrote:It's not like power fists striking at regular initiative haven't been done before.

I cant from the top of my head think where - Ironclad chainfist strikes at I1

Actually, the dreadnought close combat weapon (DCCW) is a power fist that strikes at regular initiative.

I wouldn't even agree that double strength for walkers only is RAW in this case (for the exact examples you mentioned), they still could have avoided the whole issue by not putting vehicle wargear on a monstrous creature.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:

Jidmah wrote:It's not like power fists striking at regular initiative haven't been done before.

I cant from the top of my head think where - Ironclad chainfist strikes at I1

Boss Zagstruk for example.

JY2 - wrong. It is a power weapon that doubles your strength. it is NOT a powerfist

Ah forget him - i thought that was another case of only when he lands?

GW have been trying to get away from too many codex specific rules, so this was probably attempting to avoid having another unique weapon. Just failed slightly

nosferatu1001 wrote:JY2 - wrong. It is a power weapon that doubles your strength. it is NOT a powerfist

Ah forget him - i thought that was another case of only when he lands?

Any turn in which he charges. S9 (4x2 +1 -Furious Charge) I4 (3 +1 - Furious charge)

I feel that the Doomfists on the NDK should be double STR, that's how I first read the rules, I missed the "walker" part of the sentence in the rule book. I want to say it's the fact that it's a DCCW you get double STR, not the fact that it's in the hands of a walker. Don't furioso's use STR 6 when using Blood Talons, as those are not a DCCW, but use the same rules as lightning claws, and grant the additional attacks for unsaved wounds?

nosferatu1001 wrote:JY2 - wrong. It is a power weapon that doubles your strength. it is NOT a powerfist

jy2 wrote:
Actually, the dreadnought close combat weapon (DCCW) is a power fist that strikes at regular initiative.

Same difference.

jy2 wrote:- Doom of Ma'lantai - he is not a "zoanthrope" even though he has warp field.

- Deathleper - he is not a "lictor". Does that mean his "lictor special rules" doesn't work?

- Swarmlord - he is not a "hive tyrant". That means most of his psychic powers shouldn't work, should they?

I can tell you this much. These have never been FAQ'd but people play them according to the RAI than the RAW because RAW is just so stupid in these cases.

Did you even read the RAW?

People play them RAW, because the RAI is so stupid.

Check the last page, first question.

jy2 wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:JY2 - wrong. It is a power weapon that doubles your strength. it is NOT a powerfist

jy2 wrote:
Actually, the dreadnought close combat weapon (DCCW) is a power fist that strikes at regular initiative.

Same difference.

That may be the case, but DCCW are still power weapons that double your strength (if you're a walker), not power fists.

It was also NOT what the poster posted when I first responded. If you notice the last edit as 30 minutes after I posted that they were wrong.

Zagstruk gets to use them whenever he charges, he may also assault after deep striking. Breaking rules all over the place, like a boss.

Simple answer

Matt Ward Plays 3rd edition

for us 5th ed player use common sense.

dont use them in tournies