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With only two people to play against, if you want to prep for tournaments and one player refuses to pay in a tournament style it means you're getting half as much prep time.

If you're also not enjoying the games against each other, then you're undermining each other's hobby.

The solution (not an easy one, mind) is to find new players. If you're going to Adepticon, you might meet new people from your area. You can put up adverts in local hobby stores, or ask for a shout-out on a hobby podcast. Find more people to play with. Then, when you're not training for a tournament, you can go back to playing your friend without letting a slack approach to the rules ruin your evening.

R.

there are a number of places in the Madison WI area. Check the Last Square. Every time I've visited friends in WI, we've gone to Last Square and played.

You're definitely not wrong in following the rules, but I think you should re-evaluate the reasons why you are playing with him.

It all bogs down to how much of a friend he is. Is he worth losing over a game?

It does not look like he takes this as seriously as you do. If you both enjoy each other's company while playing, take the game down to a more casual level. Grab a beer or two, chat about other things. If he If he runs 7 inches towards you, run 7 inches away.

At that point it does not matter who wins so long as you're both having fun.

I have a friend that is exactly like this, he can't stop himself from cheating. I've know him for almost 25 years now and I would not break our friendship over this so I just argue when it needs arguing, otherwise I play the same game that he does and we both end up having fun trying to call each other out on insane stunts sometimes.

Even a 1/4" matters in this game. While I do not like all the conventions of 5th edition, I try my best to play by the rules. In my last game my opponent missed one of my DE Raiders while firing a heavy bolter because of Nightshields. He missed it by only a 1/4 inch.

If you value him as a friend, do other non 40K stuff with him. But if playing him cheeses you off (it would cheese me off) then it is OK to seek others who play a bit more by the rules.

I play about 90% of my casual games against a guy who wins every tournament at my local shop and usually makes it to 3rd round of ard boyz every year. He plays tough, and when we play we stick by the rules. many games have come down to a quarter inch. IMO thats what makes the game fun. If he is not following the rules then he is a cheater, whether he is a friend or not cheating is a terrible habit to allow a friend to have. As for "spirit of the game", first rule is for both parties to have fun. He may be having fun but if your not then he isn't playing in the spirit of the game. If he is a good friend, I would hope he can give up cheating and just play by the rules.

Next game against him, drop down about 1000 points in extra models; preferably superheavies, if you have them.

When he complaints, tell him you're just trying to abide by the spirit of the game. You're having fun. Annihilating armies with super heavies is fun for you.
See how he reacts. He'll blow a gasket. Explain to him that rules exist in a game for a reason and how he's feeling is how you feel when he pulls his shenanigans.

It'll tick him off, for sure. he might see the light, though.

Otherwise, always refuse to play against him, even if it means you don't get to play.

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:Next game against him, drop down about 1000 points in extra models; preferably superheavies, if you have them.

When he complaints, tell him you're just trying to abide by the spirit of the game. You're having fun. Annihilating armies with super heavies is fun for you.
See how he reacts. He'll blow a gasket. Explain to him that rules exist in a game for a reason and how he's feeling is how you feel when he pulls his shenanigans.

It'll tick him off, for sure. he might see the light, though.

Otherwise, always refuse to play against him, even if it means you don't get to play.

Eric

This is awesome. I'd love to see his face when 2 baneblades are bearing down on him. lol

I know what you mean. I play a large amount of players and never have any problems with anyone except one guy. He's a sound fella but I sometimes worry playing him as everytime we play something comes up and we end up disputing over it for sometime. Sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm wrong but if I am right he says I didn't ask the question right (as I ask on here) or he says in spirit of the game I should which to me is just bs as he just can't hold his hands up and say I was right and he was wrong like I do with him. Can be a nightmare playing him sometimes as had a 20 minutes debate over whether 5 Guardsmen could give cover save to a Carnifex 12" when another unit of Guardsmen where firing through the first unit of Guardsmen - had to explain about 50% cover for monstrous creatures which he agreed on but was coming all with all kinds of rubbish like firing over the squad not through as that close and because the unit behind is looking up the unit in front gives cover. Crazy.

DarkAngelHopeful wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Next game against him, drop down about 1000 points in extra models; preferably superheavies, if you have them.

When he complaints, tell him you're just trying to abide by the spirit of the game. You're having fun. Annihilating armies with super heavies is fun for you.
See how he reacts. He'll blow a gasket. Explain to him that rules exist in a game for a reason and how he's feeling is how you feel when he pulls his shenanigans.

It'll tick him off, for sure. he might see the light, though.

Otherwise, always refuse to play against him, even if it means you don't get to play.

Eric

This is awesome. I'd love to see his face when 2 baneblades are bearing down on him. lol

I do have a baneblade and about 22 Obliterators.... I could make this work.

Worglock wrote:

Tabo wrote:Thanks you guys. You've made me feel a lot better about whats going on. Next time we play i'm just going to smile and take it like a man. If he argues anything with me i'll just concede it to him. After that i just wont play him again. He's a casual player and i guess i'm just passed that already. I have fun playing casual but i want to go into the game knowing that and not have him gloat when he starts to win.

Why even play him again at all?

Really the conversation when he asks you to play again should begin and end with "no thanks, we have different expectations for this game and I just don't enjoy playing against you."

This is a good approach imho. Take's the words right out of my mouth. It's not like you don't like the kid, you just don't enjoy playing his style. Who would want to subject themselves to heated screaming matches while playing a game during which you're supposed to be having fun? I can't imagine the games are quite enjoyable for him either, so perhaps he'll understand?

The non-40k stuff is a good suggestion. I've got friends that I can play RPGs with, that I just don't enjoy playing in 40k. I'm sure I'm "that guy" to some people as well just because I'm very strict with the rules.


I don't know...I'm really strict about measuring (use the 6" tac template wherever possible to make sure I'm moving EXACTLY 6" or whatever), really strict about rolling (always pick up the misses and not the hits, check cocked dice, and shake dice violently in your hand to ensure that you aren't just dropping them trying to get a certain number to show), really strict about LOS (none of this checking LOS from a few inches OVER the shooter's head BS, and you have to see the hull or body, the tip of a sword held high above the models' head or a vehicle's antenna knicknack is NOT sufficient), etc.

Assaults are another pet peeve. So many people go, "Meh, everybody's in". Nope. The way that you set up your assaults, or models knowing that they are likely to be assaulted, is a huge part of the game. Last game I made a blunder. I had a Rhino explode, and a unit of PMs and a sorceror get out. I wanted my sorceror to get his attacks when the unit was inevitably charged, so I positioned him out front. If I'd put him off to the side, he still would have fought in h2h but my opponent wouldn't have shot the unit, the logic being that a regular trooper could be removed, but it's unlikely that he'd cause enough wounds to force removal of the sorceror. My opponent told me about this and we agreed that I'd screwed up.

In the "spirit of the game" some people, in that situation, would complain and say "Oh man, do you mind if I take it back?". Uh...yeah actually, I do...games are won on capitalizing on other peoples' mistakes. I made a mistake and thanked him for pointing it out...it's a tactical thing that I'll be more wary of in the future.

Basically, what you hopefully will take from this is that following the rules closely makes you a better player. Because you stick to them tightly, you rely on tactics and strategy to win. Not some abstract interpretation of the rules. If you let him have range every time he asks for it, then you're hurting him too because he'll never learn to properly gauge distances or compensate for terrain.

There are a few notable things I definitely agree with. You mentioned you / your friends are gearing up for tournments and your friends has done well. I'm not surprised considering he sounds like he is lax on measuring. You can without realizing it, gain a huge edge over similar level competition by being lax with rules.

What eventually happens, the lax player goes to a GT, and gets a reality check of 5 opponent in a row asking them to move back their models. Its annoying to a consistent GT calibre player to check basic rules with someone. It usually results in judges getting involved. Me personally, I would verbalize some of the things above.

"Hey man your a bit out of the deployment zone, can you back it up?" If the response is "why does it matter?" I rebuttle with, we have rules, we all follow the same, please move your figures back."

One of the reason's I stopped 40K was watching and ork player leap frog his army. IE measuring 6 inches in front, then moving the models from the back 6 inches in front of the initially front models. I pointed out given the size, when you move a rocket from the back to the front, your moving the model over 20 inches most game. He initially was pissed, then realized what I was saying. He never realized it that way and apologized. Point is, often it takes encounter tournment level / GT gamers to correct behavior.

I'd move on and play somewhere else, however use games vs him if you have to as learning games. What can you do differently with your army? What do you have to prioritize? Don't care about winning, just chalk it up, your going to play a buddy whose not at the same level you are.