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2011/04/25 05:39:17
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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The two lost Primarchs fell in love with each other, and then began a romantic and sexual relationship. The Emperor could not deal with this incest, and ordered their execution. This was followed by the extermination of their legions, with the fear that the Astartes would also engage in incest....
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2011/04/25 05:58:40
Subject: Re:The second and eleventh Legions?
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
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Another point that i believe hints that the swelling of the ultras was due to the loss of one of these primarchs is:
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2011/04/25 18:30:03
Subject: Re:The second and eleventh Legions?
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Violent Enforcer
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=I= White-Wolf wrote:
As 'un-epic' as those are (I love epicness...) they are the most logical answers...
Thaanos wrote:The two lost Primarchs fell in love with each other, and then began a romantic and sexual relationship. The Emperor could not deal with this incest, and ordered their execution. This was followed by the extermination of their legions, with the fear that the Astartes would also engage in incest....
^This^ is completely illogical, but TOTALLY epic!
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2011/04/26 11:54:41
Subject: Re:The second and eleventh Legions?
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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master of asgard wrote:=I= White-Wolf wrote:
As 'un-epic' as those are (I love epicness...) they are the most logical answers...
Thaanos wrote:The two lost Primarchs fell in love with each other, and then began a romantic and sexual relationship. The Emperor could not deal with this incest, and ordered their execution. This was followed by the extermination of their legions, with the fear that the Astartes would also engage in incest....
^This^ is completely illogical, but TOTALLY epic!
Fair call mate 
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2011/04/27 13:50:02
Subject: Re:The second and eleventh Legions?
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Fixture of Dakka
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huntho21 wrote:. I found this out from my local area maneger of GW when i asked him this verry same question.
Jervis Johnson invented the whole heresy/legions paradigm. As far as I know, he's still in charge of 40k.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2011/04/27 13:54:58
Subject: Re:The second and eleventh Legions?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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huntho21 wrote:My theory is that the emperor never found them during the great crusade and because of his failure (and shame) he wiped them from history.
In the novel "Soul Hunter" it states that all 20 are found.
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2011/04/27 21:41:10
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Helpful Sophotect
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These two legions are probably missing so people can discuss about it again and again on forum...
I sincerly doubt that GW is more advanced than us on the subject.
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2011/04/27 22:30:11
Subject: Re:The second and eleventh Legions?
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
Canada
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Just to keep this going, I have two suggesetions, one made up, the other a question:
1) Maybe the Emperor hid 2 of the primarchs after the Horus Heresy so the Imperium would have at least some Primarchs when the Time of Ending draws to a close...
or...
2) Has anyone even thought about the Legion of the Damned, I mean no one really knows about them, except they strike the enimies of man when the Imperium is sorely stretched, and even then, it happens rarely. They kinda sound like the Dark Angels in a sense, trying to redeem themselves or something like that.
Food for thought folks...
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2011/04/27 22:51:23
Subject: Re:The second and eleventh Legions?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Col_Torsin wrote:Just to keep this going, I have two suggesetions, one made up, the other a question:
1) Maybe the Emperor hid 2 of the primarchs after the Horus Heresy so the Imperium would have at least some Primarchs when the Time of Ending draws to a close...
or...
2) Has anyone even thought about the Legion of the Damned, I mean no one really knows about them, except they strike the enimies of man when the Imperium is sorely stretched, and even then, it happens rarely. They kinda sound like the Dark Angels in a sense, trying to redeem themselves or something like that.
Food for thought folks...
well obviously somthing bad happened to them. There is alot of evidence showing it. It is also obvious that they fought in the great crusade for a while. We know they fought alongside the impirium for a while because:
1) there used to be statues of them alongside the other primarchs
2) Malcador said they were lost to the impirium
3) Lorgar was affraid he would be forgoten like the other 2 primarchs
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This proves that the 2 primarchs are deffinatly lost. If they went missing then people would be allowed to talk about them or they would at least be honoured. And if they were the legion of the damned then why did they not show up during the horus heresy ?
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2011/04/28 01:06:10
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Screaming Shining Spear
Pittsburgh, PA
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According to the Lexicanum, Legion of the Damned are the remnants of the Fire Hawks chapter. I had thought of the same thing a while back, but that disproved the theory.
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2011/04/28 01:17:57
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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No the Firehawks are NOT the legion od the damned. The Firehawks were fighting during the Badab war. The legion of the damned were fighting at the Badab war. This proves they are not the same.
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2011/04/28 06:23:46
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Posts with Authority
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Time is screwy when you travel through hell on a regular basis.
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2011/04/28 14:19:13
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Fixture of Dakka
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moonshine wrote:No the Firehawks are NOT the legion od the damned. The Firehawks were fighting during the Badab war. The legion of the damned were fighting at the Badab war. This proves they are not the same.
You know the Badab war didn't take a few hours, right?
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2011/04/28 14:27:06
Subject: Re:The second and eleventh Legions?
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Dakka Veteran
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Further speculation
Please enlighten me if I'm off base or missing something. It's been a while since I read First Heretic.
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2011/04/28 19:45:56
Subject: Re:The second and eleventh Legions?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Uhlan wrote:
Please enlighten me if I'm off base or missing something. It's been a while since I read First Heretic.
That and the fact that if they had succumbed to Chaos in some way, the other Primarchs, including Horus, would have known that even if they didn't talk about it.
It's clear that Horus and the non-Lorgar Primarchs have almost no idea what Chaos actually is though by the time of the actual Heresy.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2011/04/28 20:14:17
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DarknessEternal wrote:moonshine wrote:No the Firehawks are NOT the legion od the damned. The Firehawks were fighting during the Badab war. The legion of the damned were fighting at the Badab war. This proves they are not the same.
You know the Badab war didn't take a few hours, right?
Yes but the Firehawks were lost after the conclusion of the badab war.
Oh and Magnus knew about chaos. He struck a deal with Tzeentch to save his legion.
but eventually he would have to pay the price.
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2011/04/28 20:24:06
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Screaming Shining Spear
Pittsburgh, PA
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That was when the Heresy was already starting to progress, he meant before/ in the early stages.
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Also, I haven't actually read the IA books, but I've heard pretty detailed summaries of the Badab War ones, I don't remember hearing about the Legion of the Damned showing up, around what part was that? (that sounds kinda snarky and obnoxious, but I mean it as an honest question)
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2011/04/28 20:47:48
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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No, before the thousand sons found Magnus they were mutating horribly and when Magnus was found he tried to find a way to stop it. Magnus made a deal with Tzeentch to save his legion. This was way before the horus heresy btw.
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2011/04/28 20:54:25
Subject: The second and eleventh Legions?
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Screaming Shining Spear
Pittsburgh, PA
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Wow, I must have totally forgotten about that part of A Thousand Sons, thanks for the clarification, I was referring to when he brings them to the Planet of Sorcerors.
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