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Darkvoidof40k wrote:
Just wait 'til you hear about GK Hammerhand shenanigans..

I already hear enough horror stories about the Knights. We've got a Knights player here whose been doing quite well overall. I haven't had a cahnce to play him yet, I may bring Powerblobs with an Executioner...that should hurt the Knights me thinks. Besides, I'm Guard. S4, S5 it makes no difference to me, my Guardsmen die all the same.

ChrisWWII wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:
Just wait 'til you hear about GK Hammerhand shenanigans..

I already hear enough horror stories about the Knights. We've got a Knights player here whose been doing quite well overall. I haven't had a cahnce to play him yet, I may bring Powerblobs with an Executioner...that should hurt the Knights me thing. Besides, I'm Guard. S4, S5 it makes no difference to me, my Guardsmen die all the same.

An extract from a certain thread concerning the Hammerhand debate, written by yours truly :

Darkvoidof40k wrote:I can not wait to get my hands on some Grey Knight models, moreso now. Thank you, OP!

Pfft, as if my Purifiers weren't good enough in combat already..


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Wait, so as it stands, a Librarian with Mastery Level 3 + Draigo + Paladins could cast Hammerhand 6 times.. for a total of +6 Strength in close-combat. S10 W2 Insta-killing Power-weapon Terminators with potential for I6 and FnP? YES PLEASE!

...I...I... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wait how bad the BT will be after their ward-treatment.

Gif combo-breaker, anyone?

ChrisWWII wrote:...I...I... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, your tanks care now!

Indeed they do. Indeed they do. Welp, time to call in the Imperial Navy. Orbital bombardment solves everything!

ChrisWWII wrote:Indeed they do. Indeed they do. Welp, time to call in the Imperial Navy. Orbital bombardment solves everything!

The GK codex can call in more Orbital Bombardments than you have Basilisks.

Edited for better wording:

I can't really think of anything that hasn't already been said... has anyone said this?:

don't rely on your blob squad to win the fight, chances are a big ol' template will land on them, make sure you have some scoring units in reserve so you can still win fights.

PCS have poor BS, you may as well give them flamers and a chimera so they still have a chance at winning you some points.

Power fist are good if you can spare the points, well at least some people say they are.

Jack of all trades IG don't usually work, so always concentrate your points into one way of combat.




Just because people took my last comment as a troll post because i worded it poorly (my fault), doesn't mean everything i say is stupid. please don't pass me off as "that guy who knows Gak"...

That's not a powerblob. That's mech vets. I'd put money on my powerblob being able to take down that unit fairly easily.

And maybe I should give up trying to one up the Grey Knights...it's clearly not working.

ChrisWWII wrote:That's not a powerblob. That's mech vets. I'd put money on my powerblob being able to take down that unit fairly easily.

And maybe I should give up trying to one up the Grey Knights...it's clearly not working.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:Indeed they do. Indeed they do. Welp, time to call in the Imperial Navy. Orbital bombardment solves everything!

The GK codex can call in more Orbital Bombardments than you have Basilisks.

"Sigh"
Time to break out the IA armored battle group.

@Monk1junk1 Troll harder.

Devastator wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:Indeed they do. Indeed they do. Welp, time to call in the Imperial Navy. Orbital bombardment solves everything!

The GK codex can call in more Orbital Bombardments than you have Basilisks.

"Sigh"
Time to break out the IA armored battle group.

Time to break out the Exterminatus.. but considering they don't have rules for that, I'll just settle for eight-hundred Grey Knights instead.

Maybe I could use the Death Korps of Krieg Reaver Titan Maniple. That should work.

ChrisWWII wrote:Maybe I could use the Death Korps of Krieg Reaver Titan Maniple. That should work.

Hmm.. interesting.. I'll just take the equivelant points worth of Dreadknights, spread them out 12" apart, charge, guns blazing, and lets see where we get, eh?

Ha! 3 Vortex missiles should take care of that!

ChrisWWII wrote:Ha! 3 Vortex missiles should take care of that!

Even on a 4' by 4' board where I have first turn and all my Dreadknight's can do a 30" shunt before firing/assaulting?

Well, not on a 4 by 4 board...but maybe on a 6 by 4! 3 10" vortex templates should put the hurt on SOMETHING!

ChrisWWII wrote:Well, not on a 4 by 4 board...but maybe on a 6 by 4! 3 10" vortex templates should put the hurt on SOMETHING!

I could just bring some GKGM's to Outflank my Dreadknight's . Or hell I could just DS an equivelant points-worth of Terminators all with Daemonhammers.

Maybe the explosions will kill them.....=Prays to Emperor=

ChrisWWII wrote:Maybe the explosions will kill them.....=Prays to Emperor=

I 'spose I could just requisition Marbo via Inquisitorial.. ah.. "persuasion".. *points Virus Bombs at Catachan*

I'm going to throw my weight behind the 21-man power blob contingent. I'm sure most people here knew that would happen, though. If you really want, we can get into why 21 is good enough, but there's a good amount of "it depends on your meta," so people are going to disagree no matter what.

I run Hybrid IG, with 7 tanks and three blobs in two platoons. This gives me five scoring units, three of them reasonably resilient. The PIS serve as either "hide in the corner and score" or "suicide melta alpha-strike" via Vendettas.



My blobs are bare-bones, with a Commissar and three power weapons at 165 pts. My philosophy on building lists is that you decide the absolute minimum needed upgrades for you to run each unit in your army. Then you build your army with your minimums. With extra points left at the end, then you can add the extra stuff. I do this because IG is an amazingly efficient codex, until you add all the crappy upgrades and everything gets bloated. Special weapons, heavy weapons, vox casters; they all detract from the blob's role: assault. I can see a case for adding Meltas, but not until I've built the rest of my list. As you can see in my list, there are no extra points for those things without removing an entire unit.

I'm almost always going to advocate that there's no place for special or heavy weapons in power blobs, because those roles can be filled much better by other units at our disposal. I have seen (and made) lists where it works out, but a vast majority of the time Powe Weapons and Commissars are all you need in blobs.

so lets recap, shall we?

-30 is optimal for number for blob squad(s)
-always add power weapons
-more blobs the better
-1 commisar per blob
-best way to survive artillery barrage is to wear bed roll
-only way to kill gks is to nuke them from orbit

did i miss anything?

Where the hell is Ailaros, he should be all over this thread.

Devastator wrote:so lets recap, shall we?

-30 is optimal for number for blob squad(s)
-always add power weapons
-more blobs the better
-1 commisar per blob
-best way to survive artillery barrage is to wear bed roll
-only way to kill gks is to nuke them from orbit

did i miss anything?

Nope, that's about it.

Jaon wrote:Where the hell is Ailaros, he should be all over this thread.

I don't have a clue, but knowing him, yeah.

My blobs are as follows:

Commissar w/PW, Sgt w/PW and Meltabomb
Sgt w/PW

That's 175 points, and I take 6 of them in three platoons. If I'm feeling really frisky, I drop the Chimeras for the command squads and add another platoons worth. Nothing like the frantic scrambling of 180 guardsmen running for cover.

Since when did frisky become a word usuable to describe military deployment?!

Devastator wrote:-30 is optimal for number for blob squad(s)

I'd actually disagree with this. 30 is a good number for a blob. Taking them in 20's is also good (because you can take more of them). 20's also give you more flexibility, not only on the field, but with other things like when you decide it's best to break a blob.

Devastator wrote:-always add power weapons
-more blobs the better

Right.

Devastator wrote:-1 commisar per blob

Mostly, yes. There are times when more than 1 commissar is a good idea, for example, when playing against people who have vindicares, mind war, and the like. Also, adding in an extra commissar is technically the cheapest way to add more power weapons to your blobs.

Devastator wrote:-best way to survive artillery barrage is to wear bed roll

This is SO not true. The best way to survive artillery is proper spacing. Huddling into cover will produce worse casualties than arranging your troops properly outside of cover.

Devastator wrote:did i miss anything?

Yeah, I'm going to go with another vein that people have said. Namely, I think that power blobs really should have SOME way of handling tougher targets. Whether this comes in the form of melta bombs, melta guns, or priests, being able to avoid getting tarpitted by a dreadnought, or being able to ping a wound or two on a demon prince outside of just what the bayonets, frag grenades, and lasguns can do is a very helpful thing, especially since the price of the power blob is a fixed cost, so you're just paying for the upgrades.

you know, i just shortened the treads opinions to list
that bed sheet thing was joke

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Since when did frisky become a word usuable to describe military deployment?!

Meaning "It really depends on how much I want to field 180 models that day."

One point I want to put out in favour of 21-man blobs is that if you feel you need a bigger blob (because of the mission objectives or the army), you can just combine the two of them into a 42-man. With 31's, you're probably taking a platoon for each of them, and don't have the option to decide "it's mega-blob time."

Edit: That is, unless you play DKoK, who can take six PIS per platoon, for some reason.