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And the Vindi wasnt wrecked or destroyed, it had weapon destroyed and then again next round.

ChrisWWII wrote:Yeah, the rules changed, all you get from ordnance now, you get 2d6 pick the highest, and barrage hits side armor because they're landing on top.

Hmmm......question. if you fire a Bassie indirectly, does it fire as a barrage weapon, therefore hitting side armour or not?

"Indirect" = "barrage" The words are interchangeable.

Hmmm. So if i fire my Bassie indirectly the shots hit the side armour? Sweet!!

Yep. It's even nastier with Manticores.

That never occured to me. I always looked at it as "Ordnance Barrage" was completely separate to "Ordnance" or "Barrage"!



DUH!!!! luckily i dont use them that often (i play chaos so can only use them in apoc games)

Well there are barrage weapons that are not ordinance--for example mortars.

And there are ordinance weapons that are not barrage--for example LR battle cannons.

And there are ordinance barrage weapons--like basilisk earthshakers. Some, like the basilisk or whirlwind, can fire as barrage or non-barrage (direct fire) and are still ordinance either way. And some can only fire as barrage weapons, like a colossus.


So mortars (barrage only) hit side armor if they shoot at vehicles, but still only roll 1d6 since they're not ordinance. That can make a difference shooting at chimeras.

A Russ battle cannon firing at a vehicle hits whatever side is facing the gun (direct fire), but rolls 2d6 and picks the highest for penetration because it's ordinance.

And the basilisk or whirlwind has the option to fire either directly like a Russ, hitting the armor that it's facing, or barrage/indirect, hitting the side armor. And since it's ordinance, it rolls 2d6 for penetration and picks the highest.

There really ought to be a table explaining all this--I'm gonna work on a table--because the LoS, the scatter roll and whether or not you can move & fire are also all affected by the barrage & ordinance rules.

I thought it was just the scatter and non-LOS firing that was affected by Ordnance Barrage.

All of a sudden my bassies are a lot more appealing!

What's weird about this to me is the variety of targets the Basilisks seemed to be picking. From what you told me, he had a Medusa, a Leman Russ, and 2 Basilisks. That would mean to fit FOC standards, the basilisks had to be in the same squad, and thus had to shoot the same target as each other. Sounds to me like this rule may have been ignored? Because an indirect hit from a Bassie couldn't hurt either a Vindy or a Rhino.

An direct shot from a bassie woudl still be S9 (assuming the "dot" landed over the target. Also, if they did fire indirectly, this S9 shot would be resolved against the side armour, so a S9 bassie shot coudl certainly kill a Vindi or Rhino.

Indirect, so the center hole wouldn't be on the template. BUt it could still hurt, if it landed behind the vehicle. 6 to pen, 5 on the damage table, and you still could have blown the gun off the Vindi while still killing the Rhino.

Back in 2nd Basilisks got a d3 on the damage charts if it failed to penetrate armor. So far as I remember, that didn't make it into any later editions. I know it wasn't in 3rd or 5th, and I don't think it was in 4th.

The Grog wrote:Back in 2nd Basilisks got a d3 on the damage charts if it failed to penetrate armor. So far as I remember, that didn't make it into any later editions. I know it wasn't in 3rd or 5th, and I don't think it was in 4th.

Wasn't there a rule back in 2nd or 3rd that basilisks could double shoot by loading two shells into the breach? I think I remember it from a white dwarf I had. Also, in 3rd there was a seperate ordnance damage chart, which was awesome.

It's an Imperial Armor company upgrade, slick loaders, I think 20 points, and any tank with it can not move, not fire any weapon, but it can fire its main gun twice.

ChrisWWII wrote:It's an Imperial Armor company upgrade, slick loaders, I think 20 points, and any tank with it can not move, not fire any weapon, but it can fire its main gun twice.

Close, but I'm talking about before IA (and maybe even forge world itself) was around. Sometime pre wd201, as that was my first issue and I remember it was in a back issue I got.

Oh, and don't forget that slick loaders only works on ordnance. I have heard stories of people using it with eradicators and executioners, to devastating effect.

Those were obviously smart rounds or something . . .

Praxiss wrote:An direct shot from a bassie woudl still be S9 (assuming the "dot" landed over the target. Also, if they did fire indirectly, this S9 shot would be resolved against the side armour, so a S9 bassie shot coudl certainly kill a Vindi or Rhino.

I had a sentinel with a multilaser that shook the crew of a vindicator every single turn. Made my opponent rather upset.

Basilisks are good choices, as long as any template center lands over the hull of a vehicle it goes at full strength. If its a barrage weapon it goes against the side armor, if it scatters it goes against whatever armor it hits.

The Colossus is another good one. Less range but it does more damage. Manticores are also a fine choice.

DarkHound wrote:+1 to what Ailaros said.

Make it +2. I don't understand Land Raider fixation. I see Land Raiders across the table from me, I see my opponent playing at a ~250 pt disadvantage after turn 1 or 2.

The hope that it won't get blown away on turn one, unfortunately LR's are a magnet for things that can kill them. I had a Baneblade shot scatter off of a Land Raider onto another Land Raider and take it out. It's karmic justice or something.

LR aren't bad, they are too above average, making them a target.

I use one in my list and just sit it at the back of the table and drop pie plates it works bloody well when it hits !

@ Rogerio134

Bassie or LR?