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Oh. But then what do you show on your cop TV shows? Really big, scary knives?

ShumaGorath wrote:I'm not sure you understood my post.

I don't think you understood his.

If you don't care, posting that you don't care seems... well... not an effective way to manage one's time?

micahaphone wrote:Oh. But then what do you show on your cop TV shows? Really big, scary knives?

Depends, real stuff usually deals with arson, drug raids using specialist teams, driving offenses and stuff like that; crap like The Bill I wouldn't know about because it was a terrible show; The Professionals dealt with a specialist team so they could get access to guns and stuff, The Sweeny was based on the Flying Squad police teams, and therefore a more specialist branch... after that, you only have detective shows like Midsomer Murders, Inspector Morse, Lewis etc. which never seem to end in gun-fights with armed gangs, and usually end with a teary-eyed antagonist as they're hauled away in cuffs after admitting everything and stating why they did it.

Avatar 720 wrote:

micahaphone wrote:Oh. But then what do you show on your cop TV shows? Really big, scary knives?

Depends, real stuff usually deals with arson, drug raids using specialist teams, driving offenses and stuff like that; crap like The Bill I wouldn't know about because it was a terrible show; The Professionals dealt with a specialist team so they could get access to guns and stuff, The Sweeny was based on the Flying Squad police teams, and therefore a more specialist branch... after that, you only have detective shows like Midsomer Murders, Inspector Morse, Lewis etc. which never seem to end in gun-fights with armed gangs, and usually end with a teary-eyed antagonist as they're hauled away in cuffs after admitting everything and stating why they did it.

Morse isn't half bad-at least the old episodes my dad has on DVD. Or maybe that's potroit? The new Holmes is good, but how exactly does a british gang operate? I mean, they must have some guns, hence you have specialist teams, but where? and how would they have turf wars without mass supplies of guns?

Trims had grabbed his girlfriend around the throat during a dispute over where their eight-month-old daughter would spend the night,

This is why I don't read the news, and why I'm all for mandatory castration.

*sigh*


Let no good deed go unpunished.

micahaphone wrote:

Morse isn't half bad-at least the old episodes my dad has on DVD. Or maybe that's potroit? The new Holmes is good, but how exactly does a british gang operate? I mean, they must have some guns, hence you have specialist teams, but where? and how would they have turf wars without mass supplies of guns?

Divide and conquer is the standard approach for most gangs... there aren't a lot of major clashes between equal numbers since everyone is too cowardly... most fatalities you hear about are when a large number of one gang encounters a small number of the other gang.

Gun usage is generally limited to hitman-style planned executions, or as a desperate measure when outnumbered.

Generally, gangs in the UK have a whole lot of similarities with a pack of wolves. Strong hierarchy, individually cowardly, dangerous in numbers. Eye contact is seen as a sign of aggression.

The gangs are not the problem most of the time, they keep to themselves and their drug dealing/ car crime. The more dangerous types are the muggers, especially if they're mugging people alone... don't make the mistake of trying to overpower a lone mugger because if they're alone it means they've had a lot of experience at what they're doing... the vast majority are only willing to mug people in groups of 2-3 or more.. but this of course reduces their share of the loot so the most dangerous/ mentally unhinged ones go it alone, and armed. There are good odds of being mugged in London if you walk around alone, I've got friends there who get mugged about once a year despite taking reasonable precautions.

micahaphone wrote:I "do a good turn daily". However, I don't see many fights, and in general, stay out of fights. The police exist for a reason. Unless you're in Britain, apparently. That's what you get for not giving your policemen guns, or tazers, or something other than a bloody stick! (I'm 90% that I'm making a joke-UK policemen do carry something more than a billy club, right?)

What they are NOT saying of course, is the stores of Haggis strategically located at each police station, to be used only in case of riot, alien invasion, or German technodisco. Don't ever think the Brits are unarmed...


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scarletsquig wrote:

micahaphone wrote:

Morse isn't half bad-at least the old episodes my dad has on DVD. Or maybe that's potroit? The new Holmes is good, but how exactly does a british gang operate? I mean, they must have some guns, hence you have specialist teams, but where? and how would they have turf wars without mass supplies of guns?

Divide and conquer is the standard approach for most gangs... there aren't a lot of major clashes between equal numbers since everyone is too cowardly... most fatalities you hear about are when a large number of one gang encounters a small number of the other gang.

Gun usage is generally limited to hitman-style planned executions, or as a desperate measure when outnumbered.

Generally, gangs in the UK have a whole lot of similarities with a pack of wolves. Strong hierarchy, individually cowardly, dangerous in numbers. Eye contact is seen as a sign of aggression.

The gangs are not the problem most of the time, they keep to themselves and their drug dealing/ car crime. The more dangerous types are the muggers, especially if they're mugging people alone... don't make the mistake of trying to overpower a lone mugger because if they're alone it means they've had a lot of experience at what they're doing... the vast majority are only willing to mug people in groups of 2-3 or more.. but this of course reduces their share of the loot so the most dangerous/ mentally unhinged ones go it alone, and armed. There are good odds of being mugged in London if you walk around alone, I've got friends there who get mugged about once a year despite taking reasonable precautions.

That sucks. Its Britain. It should be perfectly legal to walk around in full plate with long sword.

Avatar 720 wrote:

micahaphone wrote:I "do a good turn daily". However, I don't see many fights, and in general, stay out of fights. The police exist for a reason. Unless you're in Britain, apparently. That's what you get for not giving your policemen guns, or tazers, or something other than a bloody stick! (I'm 90% that I'm making a joke-UK policemen do carry something more than a billy club, right?)

More guys are being given tasers, but on the whole, the most our bobbies can do is run after people and shout "Stop!".

Although there is a reason why we don't just hand out tasers

That not the only reason i find. For example:
Out at a nightclub last year, we went outside for a smoke and there were 2 Armed Response Jeeps outside (the club is downstairs so we hadn't seen them) with an Ambulance in tow. I asked around and it turns out one of the guys in the club was a criminal on the run so the police had been called. The reason for the Ambulance was that while 'restraining' him (read: tazing), they had tazed him in the throat so badly he had stopped breathing.
Our Cops dont get enough training with tazers it appears, but they are allowed to carry Mp5's

@Fraz, if only! I nearly got arrested for carrying a cane to a Dress-up Party because it was an 'offensive weapon'

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:

micahaphone wrote:I "do a good turn daily". However, I don't see many fights, and in general, stay out of fights. The police exist for a reason. Unless you're in Britain, apparently. That's what you get for not giving your policemen guns, or tazers, or something other than a bloody stick! (I'm 90% that I'm making a joke-UK policemen do carry something more than a billy club, right?)

More guys are being given tasers, but on the whole, the most our bobbies can do is run after people and shout "Stop!".

Although there is a reason why we don't just hand out tasers

That not the only reason i find. For example:
Out at a nightclub last year, we went outside for a smoke and there were 2 Armed Response Jeeps outside (the club is downstairs so we hadn't seen them) with an Ambulance in tow. I asked around and it turns out one of the guys in the club was a criminal on the run so the police had been called. The reason for the Ambulance was that while 'restraining' him (read: tazing), they had tazed him in the throat so badly he had stopped breathing.
Our Cops dont get enough training with tazers it appears, but they are allowed to carry Mp5's

@Fraz, if only! I nearly got arrested for carrying a cane to a Dress-up Party because it was an 'offensive weapon'

So sword and gun canes are out then?
What about people who need, you know, canes?

Maybe you can get a permit/licence for it?

Say you need it to walk and then crumple in a pained heap on the floor after they take it away.

Frazzled wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:

micahaphone wrote:I "do a good turn daily". However, I don't see many fights, and in general, stay out of fights. The police exist for a reason. Unless you're in Britain, apparently. That's what you get for not giving your policemen guns, or tazers, or something other than a bloody stick! (I'm 90% that I'm making a joke-UK policemen do carry something more than a billy club, right?)

More guys are being given tasers, but on the whole, the most our bobbies can do is run after people and shout "Stop!".

Although there is a reason why we don't just hand out tasers

That not the only reason i find. For example:
Out at a nightclub last year, we went outside for a smoke and there were 2 Armed Response Jeeps outside (the club is downstairs so we hadn't seen them) with an Ambulance in tow. I asked around and it turns out one of the guys in the club was a criminal on the run so the police had been called. The reason for the Ambulance was that while 'restraining' him (read: tazing), they had tazed him in the throat so badly he had stopped breathing.
Our Cops dont get enough training with tazers it appears, but they are allowed to carry Mp5's

@Fraz, if only! I nearly got arrested for carrying a cane to a Dress-up Party because it was an 'offensive weapon'

So sword and gun canes are out then?
What about people who need, you know, canes?

Yeah, 'concealed weapons' and all that (unfortunately, because i would love a sword cane)
apparently that is fine (this is the argument i brought up with the policeman, ie part 2 of why i nearly got arrested (he was not amused).

The Foot wrote:Maybe you can get a permit/licence for it?

That would be hilarious!
(i am assuming you are replying in response to the whole cane issue btw)