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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8248932/trims-gets-manslaughter-for-fatal-stabbing

A man has been acquitted of murder after he fatally stabbed a man who intervened in a dispute over a baby.

A Brisbane Supreme Court jury on Friday found Jason Ronald Trims not guilty of the murder of Martin Love but guilty of manslaughter.

The court was told Trims, 31, stabbed 28-year-old Mr Love in the chest in March 2009, rupturing major blood vessels and causing him to bleed to death.

Mr Love had rushed into Trims' unit at Pacific Paradise Resort on the Sunshine Coast after he heard a woman screaming for help.

Trims had grabbed his girlfriend around the throat during a dispute over where their eight-month-old daughter would spend the night, the court was told.

Her screaming had attracted the attention of Mr Love.

The court was told Mr Love, 28, and Trims threw punches at each other before Trims grabbed a kitchen knife from a nearby pool table.

He then thrust the knife into Mr Love's chest.

Trims has asserted he had acted in self-defence, an explanation that was rejected by the jury.

Trims, who was remanded in custody, will be sentenced on Wednesday.

Interesting. I would have gone for murder myself.

I hope Mr Love gets a statue or something. I am sorry to hear that someone willing to help was killed in such a way.

Yeah, thats what you get for being a good samaritan, I remember when i was young and idealistic (stupid) I once jumped on a guy in the street in Middlesbrough cos he clipped his missus outside a bar, i punched him twice, then the bitch hit me over the head with her shoe, and i had to flee up the street because I didnt want to hit her as well!

Of course, I was young and stupid then, I wouldnt get involved now im a man grown. If i see people fighting I walk on by. The woman should have the sense to get the feth away from a guy that acts like that, but they never do.

Anyway, this story Is not quite as bad as .. well, i remember the case because I ranted about is so much... lemme check google.

......

Here it is!

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/children-and-family/social-service-criticism-continues-as-foster-child-rapes-baby-$1274032.htm

Yeah, be a good egg and foster a troubled teen, he then rapes your two year old. Seriously.. read that story. I especially like

"Vale of Glamorgan council has launched an internal investigation after admitting a "serious error of judgement" which saw the 18-year-old housed under its adult placement service."

Charity begins at home. The most Ill do these days is help an old lady pick up her shopping up if she drops it. Intervening in fights is for young (stupid) people.

No there's a lot you can Matty. Lots of charity work can be done.

Intervening in a fight is not charity.

About every time I've ever gone out of my way to help out a stranger, I've ended up regretting it. This story saddens me, but leaves me unsurprised.

To borrow a fitting line from a NIN song, "God helps the ones who help themselves."

daedalus wrote:To borrow a fitting line from a NIN song, "God helps the ones who help themselves."

Alternative source: Ben Franklin.

But I'm sure he ripped off NIN.

mattyrm wrote:Yeah, thats what you get for being a good samaritan, I remember when i was young and idealistic (stupid) I once jumped on a guy in the street in Middlesbrough cos he clipped his missus outside a bar, i punched him twice, then the bitch hit me over the head with her shoe, and i had to flee up the street because I didnt want to hit her as well!

Yep that's Middlesbrough in a nutshell Matty It hasn't cahnged much since then.

It is rather sad to see that has happened to a good person, but it happens all the time. Sad truth really huh.

Since we are are telling good sarmirtan stories heres mine.

Walking home post Christmas Eve Lock-in at the Red Lion I hear a woman screaming from a side street. Despite working for 4 years as a bouncer I should have knwon better but emboldened by my refreshed state I went to investigate and found a couple happily walking towards me. I enquired whether they had heard said screaming and they said they had not, happy that I had missheard I went on my way home.

Not 10 yeards away the female state abusing me for suggesting (appearantly?) that he boyfriend had been beating her? I chuckled, ignored them and carried on walking away. They must have followed me for some 100 yrads when the bint (for she was) ran infront of me to remonstrate again. I moved her out of my way at which point I was punched in the back of the head and bundled over and then punched again as I stood up.

Now I'm 6'4" and over 20 stone (300 pounds?), now this Christmas story did not end too well for the feller and I ended up with a cut hand (contrived to punch the floor somehow?) and a slight shiner. Still an interesting tale for the new girlfirend and family over Chrimbo dinner.

Womin ain't nuttin but trouble!

The standard training for CHLs is that you do not intervene, you call the police.
1. You don't know what the full story is. the guy you just spotted getting run down and attacked by three dudes may be a mugger that they just chased from a crime.
2. Domestic stuff even cops hate. Often the beat on party will react agreessively towards aid like Matty's story.

I always hate hearing stories like this. If I remember right, there was a similar story from about a year ago, where a homeless man attacked a mugger to protect a lady, which got him stabbed and caused him to die painfully over a few hours while people walked past him.

Tim the Biovore wrote:I always hate hearing stories like this. If I remember right, there was a similar story from about a year ago, where a homeless man attacked a mugger to protect a lady, which got him stabbed and caused him to die painfully over a few hours while people walked past him.

There was a thread for it here, but that was awhile back so I'm not sure where it is. Anyway, this is unfortunate, especially considering it happens all the time. That being said, you should never try to fight someone, even if you think it's the right thing to do, it won't always end well.

Rule of thumb: dont' get involved in domestic disputes.

Polonius wrote:Rule of thumb: dont' get involved in domestic disputes.

That's good advice on several levels.

I once tried to intervene when a young chav was punching a young pakistani chap in the back of a head (egged on by his mates ofc) during a bus ride home.

Bear in mind that this was a full bus around rush hour; full of well to do office types. I loudly called the police on my phone and raised my voice enough for everyone on the bus, upstairs and downstairs, to hear.

No response from any of the suits... much shuffling of newspapers and eyes checking shoes for spare change :( I told the chavs to stop and some of them did... if only to spit at me and hurl abuse in my direction or the next 15mins :(

I just stick to helping old people cross the street and carry bags for pregnent women.

Little fear of getting stabbed for that.

I actually got lectured the other day by a woman when I opened the door for her...

Something about how she didnt NEED me to treat her differently because she was a woman...

I was like holy gak feminist bitch calm down!

Just tell her you hold the door open for everybody, and it's called good manners.

ShivanAngel wrote:I actually got lectured the other day by a woman when I opened the door for her...

Something about how she didnt NEED me to treat her differently because she was a woman...

I was like holy gak feminist bitch calm down!

Really, I always thought that was a joke.


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Da Boss wrote:Just tell her you hold the door open for everybody, and it's called good manners.

No tell her you were holding the door for the person behind her, so she needs to shut the hole in her face.

Tell her the door is actually automatic and you were just leaning on it when it opened.

I actually had a lady get mad at my 11 year old son for holding the door open. I just told him loudly that he did the right thing and some people have no manners.

Graveyman wrote:I actually had a lady get mad at my 11 year old son for holding the door open. I just told him loudly that he did the right thing and some people have no manners.

Anyone snaps at my kids for doing nothing wrong, then we will have a problem. Time to demonstrate the godawful parenting I'm known for!

J.Black wrote:I once tried to intervene when a young chav was punching a young pakistani chap in the back of a head (egged on by his mates ofc) during a bus ride home.

Bear in mind that this was a full bus around rush hour; full of well to do office types. I loudly called the police on my phone and raised my voice enough for everyone on the bus, upstairs and downstairs, to hear.

No response from any of the suits... much shuffling of newspapers and eyes checking shoes for spare change :( I told the chavs to stop and some of them did... if only to spit at me and hurl abuse in my direction or the next 15mins :(

Good on you for doing something about it though.

Did the cops show up?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

J.Black wrote:I once tried to intervene when a young chav was punching a young pakistani chap in the back of a head (egged on by his mates ofc) during a bus ride home.

Bear in mind that this was a full bus around rush hour; full of well to do office types. I loudly called the police on my phone and raised my voice enough for everyone on the bus, upstairs and downstairs, to hear.

No response from any of the suits... much shuffling of newspapers and eyes checking shoes for spare change :( I told the chavs to stop and some of them did... if only to spit at me and hurl abuse in my direction or the next 15mins :(

Good on you for doing something about it though.

Did the cops show up?

Police showing up? In the UK? The only time police will show up is if you've told them you've restrained a robber in your house, and then it's only to free him and haul you off on charges of assault.

If they did turn up then it'd be far too late; response times are god-awful (if they even decide to respond in the first place).

Graveyman wrote:I actually had a lady get mad at my 11 year old son for holding the door open. I just told him loudly that he did the right thing and some people have no manners.

She would find me unpleasant to be around were that my kid. In reference to the article itself; I don't care. The moment you turn a blind eye to violence or the pain of others near you you lose some of your humanity.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Graveyman wrote:I actually had a lady get mad at my 11 year old son for holding the door open. I just told him loudly that he did the right thing and some people have no manners.

She would find me unpleasant to be around were that my kid. In reference to the article itself; I don't care. The moment you turn a blind eye to violence or the pain of others near you you lose some of your humanity.

Hmm? Oh, well then don't post.

If you disagree with something though, go for it. I'm of the opinion Mr Love did the right thing here, but his defense of another human being ended up with him getting killed. Good has come out of this, the ex-partner and the child are unlikely to ever be troubled by this murderer again. Who knows what would have happened if he hadn't turned up?

My only wonder if how it got dropped to manslaughter.

I "do a good turn daily". However, I don't see many fights, and in general, stay out of fights. The police exist for a reason. Unless you're in Britain, apparently. That's what you get for not giving your policemen guns, or tazers, or something other than a bloody stick! (I'm 90% that I'm making a joke-UK policemen do carry something more than a billy club, right?)

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Graveyman wrote:I actually had a lady get mad at my 11 year old son for holding the door open. I just told him loudly that he did the right thing and some people have no manners.

She would find me unpleasant to be around were that my kid. In reference to the article itself; I don't care. The moment you turn a blind eye to violence or the pain of others near you you lose some of your humanity.

Hmm? Oh, well then don't post.

If you disagree with something though, go for it. I'm of the opinion Mr Love did the right thing here, but his defense of another human being ended up with him getting killed. Good has come out of this, the ex-partner and the child are unlikely to ever be troubled by this murderer again. Who knows what would have happened if he hadn't turned up?

My only wonder if how it got dropped to manslaughter.

I'm not sure you understood my post.

micahaphone wrote:I "do a good turn daily". However, I don't see many fights, and in general, stay out of fights. The police exist for a reason. Unless you're in Britain, apparently. That's what you get for not giving your policemen guns, or tazers, or something other than a bloody stick! (I'm 90% that I'm making a joke-UK policemen do carry something more than a billy club, right?)

More guys are being given tasers, but on the whole, the most our bobbies can do is run after people and shout "Stop!".

Although there is a reason why we don't just hand out tasers

American cops have these revolutionary guns-my hunting friends (who are cops) described them to me. They have this new feature called "safety on the trigger". The safety of the gun is built right into the trigger, so it's real easy to switch off. All you have to do is shoot off a round!

But seriously, really? No guns, no tasers, nothing? why not give them some nerf guns and tell them that they can only crawl on their hands & knees after criminals? I mean, don't your criminals have guns? Do they at least get body armor?

They get tasers, just not in any large quantity. As for armour, I believe it's mainly just stab-proof vests, unsure if they're outfitted with bulletproof vests uless they're Armed Response units.

Our criminals also have guns, which is why the main aim of the Police here is prevention. It wouldn't work in the US because it is huge, but the UK is so small that prevention schemes are more effective due to criminals having nowhere they can run unless they resort to fleeing the country, at which point they cease to be our problem.