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Buzzsaw wrote:

Stanley Rubric wrote:I really hope it's just coincidence. I like BoW and if GW managed to close them down on some technicality, well, I'm already not going to be buying their stuff anymore, but this would just cement the fact that I'd never consider going back.

It wouldn't be BoW as a whole, worst comes to worst, they might be forced to change video hosting providers. That said, if it is GW, then it is a blatant abuse of the relevant laws; IP laws have very clear allowances for journalists (and, rice wine and beer aside, BoW is clearly a journalistic endeavor).

I totally agree.

The purpose of Beasts of War is to review and criticise "stuff".

Unless GoW suddenly busted out some porn the only way they would be likely to allegedly infringe the You Tube terms of service would be displaying copyrighted works e.g. game figures, rulebooks and so on.

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So is there any indication as to why the vids are not available?

It does not seem that any involvement by any third party has been indicated at any point and does not You Tube mark videos removed due to Copyright infringements as because of that?

In which case is that what is indicated on You Tube?

If not should I blame the nearside front indicator of my car not working on GW as well, just in case?

I don't get why BoW are so popular. They popped out of nowhere with a glitzy site full of nothing, with amateurish at best videos full of errors and padding.

Dakka is a superior site tbh.

Phototoxin wrote:I don't get why BoW are so popular. They popped out of nowhere with a glitzy site full of nothing, with amateurish at best videos full of errors and padding.

Dakka is a superior site tbh.

Dakka has better forums, but for reviews, videos, etc? Maybe I missing dakka's version though...


Personally I have always believed that Beasts of War is somehow related to Mantic Games. They both sort of popped up at the same time and BoW has supported Mantic quite a bit.

Phototoxin wrote:I don't get why BoW are so popular. They popped out of nowhere with a glitzy site full of nothing, with amateurish at best videos full of errors and padding.

Dakka is a superior site tbh.

I'm going to name just one iniciative... Infinity week... They introduced the game, developed a quick intro ruleset for download, had battle reports and developers interviews, fluff debates etc In the end Corvusbelli said a big thank you. If you are not interested in it its ok but you cannot say that this iniciative did not have a positive impact into introducing this smaller game to a wider audience...
This was ONE iniciative, they had lots more of them... some you may like more than others but you cannot claim its a site "full of nothing " Sorry!

Dakka is dakka and BOW is BOW and every single community that promotes the wargamming IN GENERAL is a usefull community to me.

Infinity week was cool, sucks I couldn't take advantage of the army deals though.

I don't much care for BoW videos myself, but they're obviously very popular and taking them down would another blow to the community. Hope they return.

I cannot sit through one of those poorly scripted (if at all) mealy mouthed videos with those guys that sound like they're eating a peanut butter sandwich while taping.

But if you guys like them and it helps the community I hope they get them back up.

I've watched a few of their Warmachine videos, I like'em. Anything positive that introduces more people to wargaming is a good thing, especially when it's done well. I can't say that watching a BoW "unboxing" video is the most thrilling thing in the world, but they obviously put some thought and work into their videos, and it shows.

Text, be it on a forum or in a book, loses a great deal when it comes to communicating ideas. One of the things I like about BoW is the way their videos communicate the concepts in a video format. You really can't compare Dakka to them. There's only..what.. 5? 8? guys on BoW and they're regionally located. But. They do play the games differently than what I see in my FLGS. It's good to get different perspectives and concepts/ideas presented in a way that isn't cold text. It helps in the understanding for some.

Dakka is a much larger base of information, with a much broader range of interpretations and expectation. It's all a matter of what you are looking to get out of the resource. I use yootoob, Dakka, BOW and others as pieces of the gaming puzzle. BoW in specific as I find them entertaining.. perhaps not in the manner they wish.. but entertaining nonetheless.

I found the issue with the yootoob to be curious. The ToA violation statement has me wondering. Naturally I'm drawn to blaming GW as a bad guy, which is entirely unfair at this point. I admit. There just seems to be this expectation that GW is this big, bad, terrible corp. I dunno..they're a business. They're in business to make money, no different than any other 7-11, Coke, or Movie Theatre. I can think of only one way that GW could press or complain about unfair utilization (the photo clause in British fair use law and the prevalent display of GW artwork/boxes), and that's flimsy at best. But.. I also can't even conceive of any other thing that they have done that is a violation of YT ToA. /shrug.

It's not the end of the world to not have BoW vids to my mind. But, the *why* is somewhat disconcerting.

This stinks to high heaven guys....Its a little coincidental to be sure, and I really hope that it means nothing, but with Darrel and the boys being extremely vocal about the recent price hikes and the trade embargo as well......

This, for me is the final straw that broke the camels back.

I'm fed up to the back teeth with GW, and am boycotting them as of..........................Now!

I like their unboxing videos and their funny accents

Their videos were pretty poor quality anyway; so its not really a loss.

How will I get my daily fix of looking at sprues and bases? HOW?!

Just glad they still have Justin.tv.

Mr Hyena wrote:Their videos were pretty poor quality anyway.

Compared to what?

NAVARRO wrote:Compared to what?

All the honest video reviews of products put out by Games Wor... erm... never mind

Compared to what?

Compared to most other videos that perform the same function in any sort of genre/hobby.

I really like their videos. They seem honest and laid back, which is the kind of stuff I like to watch. Their quality of videos are better than most of he stuff on the internet...


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Mr Hyena wrote:

Compared to what?

Compared to most other videos that perform the same function in any sort of genre/hobby.

Like? I really am interested.

I like BoW, remember that they are still learning how best to do what they do.

They are not strictly associated with Mantic, but with all types of Wargaming. The discussion groups on their site are well laid out - they have 40k General, How to get Started & dedicated subjects for every Army - so it's easier to find what you're looking for (they're just nowhere near as busy as Dakka/Warseer etc). TBH I prefer the way they've organised this compared to most Forums, it just makes more sense to me

Infinity Week was simply fantastic & the quality of video's far outstrips those of say, GW's Design Studio Podcasts - as if GW couldn't afford a decent camera or external mike?

BoW provide video's akin to most Forum content. They are enthusiastic, honest & provide information about products I probably would never have heard of otherwise. Sure Darrell may get some rules wrong but he always says he's likely too in his quest for more cheese...

In all I think the hobby needs BoW as they are truly independent & enthusiastic about what companies all over the world are producing & they often bring News about all these products first, as they have the contacts in the industry. You may not like their video's but for many they are informative and engaging. For me they are the most refreshing site about Wargaming in general as they offer an easy way to view and demonstrate wargames & how they work. I can think of no other site which offers such clean looking, quality vidoes. They sure make a difference to reading posts all the time

They've only just got started and have done quite a lot in that time...only to get bombed off youtube (please don't let it be GW )...

warspawned wrote:I like BoW, remember that they are still learning how best to do what they do.

They are not strictly associated with Mantic, but with all types of Wargaming. The discussion groups on their site are well laid out - they have 40k General, How to get Started & dedicated subjects for every Army - so it's easier to find what you're looking for (they're just nowhere near as busy as Dakka/Warseer etc). TBH I prefer the way they've organised this compared to most Forums, it just makes more sense to me

Infinity Week was simply fantastic & the quality of video's far outstrips those of say, GW's Design Studio Podcasts - as if GW couldn't afford a decent camera or external mike?

BoW provide video's akin to most Forum content. They are enthusiastic, honest & provide information about products I probably would never have heard of otherwise. Sure Darrell may get some rules wrong but he always says he's likely too in his quest for more cheese...

In all I think the hobby needs BoW as they are truly independent & enthusiastic about what companies all over the world are producing & they often bring News about all these products first, as they have the contacts in the industry. You may not like their video's but for many they are informative and engaging. For me they are the most refreshing site about Wargaming in general as they offer an easy way to view and demonstrate wargames & how they work. I can think of no other site which offers such clean looking, quality vidoes. They sure make a difference to reading posts all the time

They've only just got started and have done quite a lot in that time...only to get bombed off youtube (please don't let it be GW )...

QFT

They are new and are growing fairly fast. I love going there and listen to British guys ramble on about minis while I paint or such. Sure they aren't the MOST knowledgeable people, but they aren't afraid to come out and say something truly sucks.
They are also great for companies, too. I've bought quite of few things because of their "unboxing" where I can really see the mini and it's good sides and bad sides in a high quality video.
I haven't been to the forums, but that's why I come to Dakka.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Compared to what?

Compared to most other videos that perform the same function in any sort of genre/hobby.

Predictable vague answer.
And to be clear, I say its predictable not because I know you, but because you dont have today anything remotelly close to what BOW chaps delivered in therms of quality and quantity in our wargamming side of things... For that hard work alone you could at least be a little gratefull.

Compared to most other video hobby review sites out there BOW has better production value and some well thought out vids as well

the criticism that they dont have a script is what appeals to me. it comes out more honest and makes the guys a lot more relatable.

and theyre free for effs sake!

the only closest thing i can think of is Miniwargaming.com's but cmon...theyre the video version of whitedwarf all adverts

I hope they bring back the vids

As a video producer I rather like the BoW vids and consider them well done for a hobby site.

They have a good format, decent lighting and set, and they show wargamers the stuff they are interested in. The camera work is fine.

The presenters' lack of polish is part of the charm and helps create the impression that these guys are hobbyists just like you and me.

I can tell you a lot of high class Japanese TV is far more amateurish than BoW.

My question is, how do you do a video review of something and NOT show the item you're reviewing? How the hell do people like GW expect ANYONE to get excited about their product when you have to keep looking over your shoulder for the knife every time you're caught in public with it?

IF GW had something to do with this: complete and total dick move. No other way to categorize or explain it other than a bad case of corporate malice.

Kilkrazy wrote:As a video producer I rather like the BoW vids and consider them well done for a hobby site.

They have a good format, decent lighting and set, and they show wargamers the stuff they are interested in. The camera work is fine.

The presenters' lack of polish is part of the charm and helps create the impression that these guys are hobbyists just like you and me.

I can tell you a lot of high class Japanese TV is far more amateurish than BoW.

+1 I like the Irish accent, and laid back approach

Their painting guides are pretty good too. Not competition level, but I got a lot of good tips on how to get my minis up to tabletop quality.

Hope they come back.

yakface wrote:

Slinky wrote:

Website appears to be back

Indeed, with a message about the Youtube outage (although no details):

http://www.beastsofwar.com/featured/problems-youtube/

Except the words we have our suspicions.at 1.40 ish on the video

The big three on YouTube: Beasts of War, MiniWarGaming and Blue Table Painting. These sites should be out of GW's reach, they're all independant, cater to all wargamers and all have expressed their opinions on GWs new pricing. If one of the other two go down, or both, then wargaming on YouTube is screwed.

Beasts of War are great, they provide great coverage and a huge window into the wargaming industry. It's a huge loss to the wargaming community if they get taken down. I hope they get back on their feet and brush whatever this problem is off.

If GW continues to advance it's corporate Nazi-ism, you can bet we'll all be playing something else in 5 years as they have made it outright impossible for people to conduct free business with their products, hype/review their products, and have been gunning their complete lack of marketing towards knocking over rich moms for their profits. Mark Wells and co have literally no moral or ethical basis for their business model - it's all greed.

I am curious to find out what BoW is told from Youtube, hopefully it was something other than GW this time. Time will tell.

Mr Hyena wrote:Their videos were pretty poor quality anyway; so its not really a loss.

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Typical of some of the negativity there is in this community. BoW, to me, is a useful addition to this hobby. Dont see many other resources with this sort of thing. Much better than the useful than the rubbish on most sites related to tournament gaming (cue - how many ubber repetitve army lists can i post on the internet). These guys offer a get resource for al manner of game systems and smaller companies - and surely thats a good thing for our hobby?????

I for one 1 hope there up and running again soon, but cant help feeling GW have a hand in this somewhere....