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Just want to say that Beasts of War's youtube site has been closed down due to 'multiple or severe violations of our Community Guidelines'.

Err, what? I've only watched a few Beasts of War videos---but I don't remember anything remotely bad about them?

When did this happen? What did they Do?

I was watching them, and everything randomly went. At first I thought it could be GW terminating them...

See here:

http://www.beastsofwar.com/featured/problems-youtube/

They're investigating ATM.

I bet GW complained about them showing images from the new Tomb Kings codex... just my suspicions.

cyorysh wrote:I bet GW complained about them showing images from the new Tomb Kings codex... just my suspicions.

I think GW didn't want Beasts of War showing rival compines products, especially after te uproar about the pricing. S GW complained about BoW showing off their codexes...

Maybe they're put in suspension until they can properly script their bits without "uhm-ing" more than three times.

BrookM wrote:Maybe they're put in suspension until they can properly script their bits without "uhm-ing" more than three times.

Hey, don't pick on Derrall

I watched a video from them just last night...

complaining about the GW price rise. I find the timing more than a little coincidental but who knows.

What they do is clearly under the heading of 'review' and therefore should (by my understanding) but fair use.

However if someone complains youtube tend to just take stuff down rather than have to think about whether it's legal or not.

R

MrNurgle wrote:

cyorysh wrote:I bet GW complained about them showing images from the new Tomb Kings codex... just my suspicions.

I think GW didn't want Beasts of War showing rival compines products, especially after te uproar about the pricing. S GW complained about BoW showing off their codexes...

Rargh wrote:I watched a video from them just last night...

complaining about the GW price rise. I find the timing more than a little coincidental but who knows.

What they do is clearly under the heading of 'review' and therefore should (by my understanding) but fair use.

However if someone complains youtube tend to just take stuff down rather than have to think about whether it's legal or not.

R

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but I find this to be a bit of a stretch!

I'm sure it was something more... innocent.

Perhaps some British/Scottish swear sneaked past the crack BoW censors or some such?

Anyway, they seem to think they'll be back soon, and I have to agree with them...

Hi guys,

I just watched BoW Turn 8 Live & am happy to report Warren backed me up on Quest (boring some people in the process)

However, it was a roller-coaster ride for sure. A lot of stuff was discussed, some positive, some negative - GW's Price Rise & other policies were a main feature. I won't go into that here.

IF GW are responsible for closing down the BoW Youtube account (be it permanent or not) - that will be my tipping point. I've already started exploring other games but I won't just
quietly protest with my money by not supporting them

Bring on the 'I told you so' speeches (just not in here if you can help it please)

I'm sure others, as well as myself, will keep you posted with any developments on BOW.

I agree that the timing is VERY interesting (I hope it's just a fantasy in my head).

I really hope it's just coincidence. I like BoW and if GW managed to close them down on some technicality, well, I'm already not going to be buying their stuff anymore, but this would just cement the fact that I'd never consider going back.

Stanley Rubric wrote:I really hope it's just coincidence. I like BoW and if GW managed to close them down on some technicality, well, I'm already not going to be buying their stuff anymore, but this would just cement the fact that I'd never consider going back.

It wouldn't be BoW as a whole, worst comes to worst, they might be forced to change video hosting providers. That said, if it is GW, then it is a blatant abuse of the relevant laws; IP laws have very clear allowances for journalists (and, rice wine and beer aside, BoW is clearly a journalistic endeavor).

Google - "Doing no* evil"

* well. not that much.

Amusingly, I can't even access the BOW website anymore.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Amusingly, I can't even access the BOW website anymore.

Hmm, nor can I.

How bizarre, hopefully they'll post somewhere to clue us in.

Slinky wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Amusingly, I can't even access the BOW website anymore.

Hmm, nor can I.

Website appears to be back

Slinky wrote:

Website appears to be back

Indeed, with a message about the Youtube outage (although no details):

http://www.beastsofwar.com/featured/problems-youtube/

Ahm... this looks bad...

I like the BOW site very much, I think that it is important to have a "Wargaming TV".
I don´t know why this is happening but... it will be such a pity to loose the BOW channel, they were making something cool.
Youtube, blogs, facebook... all this internet tools are making easier to get into games and understand rules, getting communities together... and the BOW guys were the spearhead of all this.

I was under the impression that copyright holders could not order the removal of files from the internet without first determining if the use violated fair use of the copyright?

Or this could be just another case of one donkey-cave complaining and then Youtube reactively taking down the content because of said donkey-cave.

I seem to recall a video about a kid singing or dancing to a Prince song that got removed by youtube and then the guy whose video was removed later sued the record company.

BobbaFett wrote:Ahm... this looks bad...

I like the BOW site very much, I think that it is important to have a "Wargaming TV".
I don´t know why this is happening but... it will be such a pity to loose the BOW channel, they were making something cool.
Youtube, blogs, facebook... all this internet tools are making easier to get into games and understand rules, getting communities together... and the BOW guys were the spearhead of all this.

Worst case the BoW guys will reupload on some other place. Youtube is not the only place to watch videos online

Or this could be just another case of one donkey-cave complaining and then Youtube reactively taking down the content because of said donkey-cave.

Could be...

...I hope so

I found it.

http://www.eff.org/cases/lenz-v-universal

It appears that a circuit judge declared that a copyright holder must ascertain prior to complaint whether it violates the fair use or not. There still are apparently no laws preventing any tom, dick or harry from making baseless complaints.

Also, I am not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV. I am just going by what I read.

Oh ffs man. If this is GW's doing then this is just getting stupid. I guess this must be "Do everything in our power to piss off our fanbase and bury the company once and for all!" week...

What does the BoW site say? I can't access it at work.

BoW Site wrote:Many of you may have seen that our account on YouTube has suffered something of a snafu.

The reason for this is currently being investigated and our partners on YouTube should be back with more details soon.

In the meantime you can still catch us tonight on Justin TV, where we may have more information for you.

Keep your fingers crossed!

The BoW Team

This is really sad I loved Infinity week and the Warmachine videos and the tons of unboxing and reviews, it is a very usefull news site for wargamming and I would hate to see it gone from Youtube.
Hang in there BOW folks.

You would think that GW could hardly risk any more 'love' from their customers by complaining about stuff like this.