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Maybe he meant Macharius? Which isn't right either. Macharius was born at the turn of the Millenia. And he's quite dead.

Yes the higher ups live a good few years longer.

But your average hive scum propably lives to about 90,and that's if he isn't shot or stabbed.

And a guardman has a life span of 12 minutes,according to a novel.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Basically I think a juvenate treatment is like buying a car. If you're super-rich you can afford to buy a car every month or even every week! Those people will obviously live quite a while. Nonetheless, "normal" people should still be able to afford seveal treatments over their (now extended) lifespan. Most of the Tanith in GG are now around 50 but still in top physical condition. Eisenhorn mentions when he's 40 something he's in "prime" physical condition by normal Imperial Standards. Basically I don't think juvenile treatments are super-secret-forbidden tech. They're just pricey.

So from this can we infer that you don't have a source.

being 50 years old and still in top physical shape isn't to unbelievable for people in the military, there will be many soldiers/ex-soldiers in their 50's that could out class younger adults. Their is also a difference between juvenile treatments (that reduce the aging process) and other medical treatments that maintain the body's physical performance.

My only exposure on human life expectancy is the Eisenhorn books. It would seem that rejuivinants could extend your life to ~300 years. However, they are rare and expensive.

The average person probably is about 100 years. But this isn't stated in any of the books I've read.

BluntmanDC wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Basically I think a juvenate treatment is like buying a car. If you're super-rich you can afford to buy a car every month or even every week! Those people will obviously live quite a while. Nonetheless, "normal" people should still be able to afford seveal treatments over their (now extended) lifespan. Most of the Tanith in GG are now around 50 but still in top physical condition. Eisenhorn mentions when he's 40 something he's in "prime" physical condition by normal Imperial Standards. Basically I don't think juvenile treatments are super-secret-forbidden tech. They're just pricey.

So from this can we infer that you don't have a source.

being 50 years old and still in top physical shape isn't to unbelievable for people in the military, there will be many soldiers/ex-soldiers in their 50's that could out class younger adults. Their is also a difference between juvenile treatments (that reduce the aging process) and other medical treatments that maintain the body's physical performance.

Similarly you don't have a source that says juvenate (not juvenile) treatments are only available to the Inquisiton. Every character I'm 40k seems to live hundreds of years. Warp travel or not.

People with some money can get minor Juvnat treatments that will extend their life spans to around 150.

people with little to no money can get little cheapo treatments that might extend their life to 100.


People with loads of money(or state funding) can live for 500-600 years, again depending on the exact treatments(probably extremely varied) and the appearence of youth is definitly not garunteed beyond 300. 150 and you start to look your age.


If you get lots of Bionic implants like mechanicus guys do, then you might expect a life span in the 1000 year range. machines are easier to keep running at that point and you can actually get your fleshy bits nearly completely replaced with bionic equivilants.

Rejuvenat treatments are not an Inquisition-only thing, they're available to anyone with the money to pay for them (and the technological access). Inquisitors simply enjoy both of these things in abundance.

But life span have one more important factor - the world of origin. Man on Catachan or Necromunda would not live longer then man on Macragge or Terra. You can see that by today's countries, man in USA or EU live longer than man in Somalia or Bolivia.

I would bet that on most regular worlds, and most regular people, would live until they were 90-100.

However, all nobles, officers, important officials etc would all receive expensive augmetics to live up to at least 120, if not longer. I believe some super important humans have lived up to 200.

Brother Coa wrote:But life span have one more important factor - the world of origin. Man on Catachan or Necromunda would not live longer then man on Macragge or Terra. You can see that by today's countries, man in USA or EU live longer than man in Somalia or Bolivia.

Correct. The longest-living (natural) humans will be found on either Imperial Worlds or the rare Paradise Worlds, as both of these places will be generally free from threats, pollutants, and killer diseases that shorten natural life-spans in other places. Imperial Worlds may still have illnesses and such, but will be of sufficient technological advancement to combat most such things.

Extending me car analogy I'm sure here are the Rolls Royce of juvenate treatments and the Kia of Juvenate treatments.

Mechanicum is a while other unrelated thing. Those guys can live like 15,000 years.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Mechanicum is a while other unrelated thing. Those guys can live like 15,000 years.

Those guys are 99% machines by then...

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Basically I think a juvenate treatment is like buying a car. If you're super-rich you can afford to buy a car every month or even every week! Those people will obviously live quite a while. Nonetheless, "normal" people should still be able to afford seveal treatments over their (now extended) lifespan. Most of the Tanith in GG are now around 50 but still in top physical condition. Eisenhorn mentions when he's 40 something he's in "prime" physical condition by normal Imperial Standards. Basically I don't think juvenile treatments are super-secret-forbidden tech. They're just pricey.

So from this can we infer that you don't have a source.

being 50 years old and still in top physical shape isn't to unbelievable for people in the military, there will be many soldiers/ex-soldiers in their 50's that could out class younger adults. Their is also a difference between juvenile treatments (that reduce the aging process) and other medical treatments that maintain the body's physical performance.

Similarly you don't have a source that says juvenate (not juvenile) treatments are only available to the Inquisiton. Every character I'm 40k seems to live hundreds of years. Warp travel or not.

Or you could read my posts, as i have never said that juvenate (i used the word juvenile to point out that you yourself used it) were reserved for the Inquistion. I said that they were for the rich/powerful/influentual/needed. 99.9999999999% of the population of the IoM are nothing more than cattle, they are used by the IoM to produce food, arms and troops, so what would be the point of giving juvenate treatments to farmers, factory workers or the mass of the IG?

BluntmanDC wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Basically I think a juvenate treatment is like buying a car. If you're super-rich you can afford to buy a car every month or even every week! Those people will obviously live quite a while. Nonetheless, "normal" people should still be able to afford seveal treatments over their (now extended) lifespan. Most of the Tanith in GG are now around 50 but still in top physical condition. Eisenhorn mentions when he's 40 something he's in "prime" physical condition by normal Imperial Standards. Basically I don't think juvenile treatments are super-secret-forbidden tech. They're just pricey.

So from this can we infer that you don't have a source.

being 50 years old and still in top physical shape isn't to unbelievable for people in the military, there will be many soldiers/ex-soldiers in their 50's that could out class younger adults. Their is also a difference between juvenile treatments (that reduce the aging process) and other medical treatments that maintain the body's physical performance.

Similarly you don't have a source that says juvenate (not juvenile) treatments are only available to the Inquisiton. Every character I'm 40k seems to live hundreds of years. Warp travel or not.

Or you could read my posts, as i have never said that juvenate (i used the word juvenile to point out that you yourself used it) were reserved for the Inquistion. I said that they were for the rich/powerful/influentual/needed. 99.9999999999% of the population of the IoM are nothing more than cattle, they are used by the IoM to produce food, arms and troops, so what would be the point of giving juvenate treatments to farmers, factory workers or the mass of the IG?

For profit.

Telomerase (one of the key stuff used in rejuvenation) can revert your cells back to their prime, so as long as you were to avoid violent deaths, you could technically be immortal, much like the HeLa cells. And since I'm doing this from a real life perspective, there are predictions that at around 2050, the entire human race may well become "immortal" with all the research done into genetics and enzymes such as Telomerase.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Basically I think a juvenate treatment is like buying a car. If you're super-rich you can afford to buy a car every month or even every week! Those people will obviously live quite a while. Nonetheless, "normal" people should still be able to afford seveal treatments over their (now extended) lifespan. Most of the Tanith in GG are now around 50 but still in top physical condition. Eisenhorn mentions when he's 40 something he's in "prime" physical condition by normal Imperial Standards. Basically I don't think juvenile treatments are super-secret-forbidden tech. They're just pricey.

So from this can we infer that you don't have a source.

being 50 years old and still in top physical shape isn't to unbelievable for people in the military, there will be many soldiers/ex-soldiers in their 50's that could out class younger adults. Their is also a difference between juvenile treatments (that reduce the aging process) and other medical treatments that maintain the body's physical performance.

Similarly you don't have a source that says juvenate (not juvenile) treatments are only available to the Inquisiton. Every character I'm 40k seems to live hundreds of years. Warp travel or not.

Or you could read my posts, as i have never said that juvenate (i used the word juvenile to point out that you yourself used it) were reserved for the Inquistion. I said that they were for the rich/powerful/influentual/needed. 99.9999999999% of the population of the IoM are nothing more than cattle, they are used by the IoM to produce food, arms and troops, so what would be the point of giving juvenate treatments to farmers, factory workers or the mass of the IG?

For profit.

Hardly. That would take an Imperium-spanning Pharmecutical conspiracy for easy access to Juvenant treatments to have been kept under wraps. And the Inquisition loves nothing more than tearing open conspiracies.


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Similarly you don't have a source that says juvenate (not juvenile) treatments are only available to the Inquisiton. Every character I'm 40k seems to live hundreds of years. Warp travel or not.

You'll probably notice that 'every' character that you're thinking about is not a grunt or factory worker.

Why is a conspiracy required? That doesn't make sense.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Why is a conspiracy required? That doesn't make sense.

That was a joke. I'm pretty sure there aren't even companies in 40k (replaced by Rouge Trader families).

My thoughts are that 120 would be for those working for Imperium ministries like the Ecclesiarchy or Administratum and as mentioned have access to health facilities, not sure how much they help though. Regular Guardsmen probably expect to live to 80? Gangers and other hive scum, or those from the lower class (extremely low) probably will not live to 60.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Why is a conspiracy required? That doesn't make sense.

That was a joke. I'm pretty sure there aren't even companies in 40k (replaced by Rouge Trader families).

There's definitely companies in the future. Don't worry Wal-mart endures.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

bluntmanDC wrote:snip

For profit.

You forget that the vast majority of the IoM are poor. They either live in vast hive cities worse than any deprived inner city area now or they live in a world comparable to Iowa or Iowa a 100 years ago.

The IoM works its population of all they are worth, it would take the average civilian factory worker years to save the money for treatment

if they live naturally, with no treatment, the life span would probably be even shorter it is today, what with the insane pollution, the wars, the deathworlds etc.etc.etc.

im2randomghgh wrote:if they live naturally, with no treatment, the life span would probably be even shorter it is today, what with the insane pollution, the wars, the deathworlds etc.etc.etc.

You are also forgetting that 80% of Imperium worlds are not in any kind of warfare. And only 30% of them are Hive Worlds, most worlds are agri or nature worlds. There they could live up to 120 years. Even in Hive City the citizens must be having a official hospital or something, the really short life only have prisoners and poor people living beneath the Hive Cities.

Everyone else lives around 100 years.

Eisenhorn is 42 at the beginning of the first book.

But then, Eisenhorn is a bit special since by the end of the books he is described as 'a wreck of a man held together by his indomitable will', so i doubt he has been getting his juvenat treatments regularly.

note,let me check the whole year thing because im second guessing myself now grrrr

EDIT: o sod it (SPOILER ALERT):
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eisenhorn
I cant find the paragraph i was looking for in the book.

Revenent Reiko wrote:Eisenhorn is 42 at the beginning of the first book.

Spoiler:

In the 3rd book, he is reflecting with Ravenor on the Thracian Atrocity and they are surprised it has been 180 odd years since it happened (this is very near the end of the book IIRC).

But then, Eisenhorn is a bit special since by the end of the books he is described as 'a wreck of a man held together by his indomitable will', so i doubt he has been getting his juvenat treatments regularly.

note,let me check the whole year thing because im second guessing myself now grrrr

EDIT: o sod it (SPOILER ALERT):
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eisenhorn

Spoiler:

so born 198 M41, disappeared 'shortly after ' 386 M41.

I cant find the paragraph i was looking for in the book.

nah, Eisinhorn's just been hacked to pieces one too many times.

His leg was done improperly so that caused complications.

He is also an inquisitor, high stress job means stress lines something fierce.

and having a Deamonhost follow you around would add even more stress.


no wonder he is falling apart.

I know GT, i was just kidding about the juvenat treatments.

His leg was also done improperly by his own command. And technically it wasnt 'improperly', it was 'crude' due to the rush job and lower level of tech/facilities where he was when he had it done (i cant remember where that was atm).

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:if they live naturally, with no treatment, the life span would probably be even shorter it is today, what with the insane pollution, the wars, the deathworlds etc.etc.etc.

You are also forgetting that 80% of Imperium worlds are not in any kind of warfare. And only 30% of them are Hive Worlds, most worlds are agri or nature worlds. There they could live up to 120 years. Even in Hive City the citizens must be having a official hospital or something, the really short life only have prisoners and poor people living beneath the Hive Cities.

Everyone else lives around 100 years.

Not really, there are approximately 32,380 Hive Worlds in the Imperium, while the Imperium consists of at least a million worlds (so thats a max of 3.238% IoM worlds).

The majority of worlds in the IoM have a level of technology slightly better than our own or below ours, with a vast number of worlds with populations at black powder level. Even in hive worlds, the vast population are poor workers, so are not likely to live over our own life expectancy.

Its all about the math, if the vast majority of humans are either slaving away in factories, working fields or fighting aliens, the life expectancy of an average human isn't going to be over 100 or even 80.

BluntmanDC wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

bluntmanDC wrote:snip

For profit.

You forget that the vast majority of the IoM are poor. They either live in vast hive cities worse than any deprived inner city area now or they live in a world comparable to Iowa or Iowa a 100 years ago.

The IoM works its population of all they are worth, it would take the average civilian factory worker years to save the money for treatment

The average imperial is as poor as we are. I agree it takes years to save for a treatment but it's still worth it.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

bluntmanDC wrote:snip

For profit.

You forget that the vast majority of the IoM are poor. They either live in vast hive cities worse than any deprived inner city area now or they live in a world comparable to Iowa or Iowa a 100 years ago.

The IoM works its population of all they are worth, it would take the average civilian factory worker years to save the money for treatment

The average imperial is as poor as we are. I agree it takes years to save for a treatment but it's still worth it.

If its even possable for a guy to scrap together a small bit of money for the treatments then they will do it.


Plastic Surgery, while expensive, is not beyond the reach of Joe Shmo and it is a For Profit industry.

will Joe Schmo get the full face lift? nah, probably just a little bit of Lipo.

Jane Schmo might get the Botox injection or a little 'enhancement', but she isn't going to get total body reconstruction.

BluntmanDC wrote:
Not really, there are approximately 32,380 Hive Worlds in the Imperium, while the Imperium consists of at least a million worlds (so thats a max of 3.238% IoM worlds).

The majority of worlds in the IoM have a level of technology slightly better than our own or below ours, with a vast number of worlds with populations at black powder level. Even in hive worlds, the vast population are poor workers, so are not likely to live over our own life expectancy.

Its all about the math, if the vast majority of humans are either slaving away in factories, working fields or fighting aliens, the life expectancy of an average human isn't going to be over 100 or even 80.

Thanks for correcting me there. But about the math, is is a big IF. Majority of Humans in the Imperium lives like us, the ordinary guys. Guard is using 0.1% population of the Imperium for war. There aren't much slaves, the most of hard criminals are either in penal legions or they are turned into servitors. The majority of the population is surely living like us or like average Human 200 years ago ( doing the land, maintaining his house, paying tax, etc... ). So the average lifespan is surly somewhere around 100 years.